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You can have great digital effects as long as it's firmly rooted in reality in some way. Doesn't matter if it's compositing over practical effects or entirely CG with practical references. The biggest trap directors fall in with digital effects is lack of restraint because everything can be dialed up to whatever they want so you lose the forest for the trees. It's the same for camera work as it is for effects. They've moved a bit away from it now, but back in the golden age of Pixar animated movies, they would reject any boards that had camera moves that couldn't be accomplished in real life with real cameras and sets.
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I think I remember in the bonus features for Aliens on the quadrilogy, someone said, "James Cameron could film the fall of Rome with 5 guys and a bush". Maybe that's what made Aliens so good.
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May 5, 2017 01:33
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Basebf555 posted:That quote is so great. Fincher is definitely aware of the typical kind of person who claims Fight Club as their favorite movie. Just another movie in a long line of them that have become very popular as a result of so many people missing the point. I agree with you but I'm wondering what other films you'd throw into this category. I can think of several. Robocop and Starship Troopers right off the top off of my head. CelticPredator posted:What if Max loved Fight Club because of what the film had to say? I don't love Fight Club that much. it's alright. It's OK to admit they both suck. Basebf555 posted:If its on the same level as the Planet of the Apes films, it could be great though. Which ones? BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 02:25 on May 5, 2017 |
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May 5, 2017 02:19
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Agreed Benjamin Button was bad, but it would have been all worth it if he turned into an adult-sized baby at the end. He was born as a tiny old person, after all. What gives, Fincher?
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May 5, 2017 02:23
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BiggerBoat posted:I agree with you but I'm wondering what other films you'd throw into this category. I can think of several. Robocop and Starship Troopers right off the top off of my head. Alien 3 is actually really great.
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May 5, 2017 02:49
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euphronius posted:I've been reading cined so long on honestly can't react to this. hahaha. i guess my stance is that generally i think the creator's opinion is as subjective as anybody elses and often ends up being more tainted by the process, rather than reflective of the end result. so to me, fincher's opinion on whether the film is bad or good is interesting, but doesn't really affect my own enjoyment of it. also, in my own stupid opinion, i think "the guy who made it doesn't like it" ranks pretty far down on the list on things that impact whether i like a film or not. but then, i am a fan of alien 3 and american history x, and a routine bad forum poster, so whatever!
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May 5, 2017 02:55
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yeah, of course David Fincher hates Alien 3, he had a really lovely time making it.
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May 5, 2017 05:15
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:That's my least favorite of the good ones but it's still very good. One word: K-Stew.
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May 5, 2017 05:54
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I will say being the direct sequel to one of the greatest movies ever made did not help aliens 3.
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May 5, 2017 06:50
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It looked bad in the shot they deemed worthy of including in the trailer so my expectations of the xeno could not be lower.
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May 5, 2017 07:36
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It looks good, to me.
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May 5, 2017 07:47
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"Wah-wah, the unfinished effects from the trailer look bad." - Every CineD pre-release thread ever.
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May 5, 2017 13:02
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the back exploding stuff in the trailers looks cool and very physical and cgi looks rad as when you are baked like a potato
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May 5, 2017 13:25
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BiggerBoat posted:I agree with you but I'm wondering what other films you'd throw into this category. I can think of several. Robocop and Starship Troopers right off the top off of my head. Scarface and Wallstreet are two more that come to mind. BiggerBoat posted:Which ones? The newer ones, Rise of the Planet of the Apes and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. I think the CG created apes in those movies are a lot better than whatever we would have had if they'd gone the practical route.
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May 5, 2017 13:49
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Bugblatter posted:"Wah-wah, the unfinished effects from the trailer look bad." - Every CineD pre-release thread ever. FWIW I think the alien in the trailer looks fine, but I never got this defense of trailer CGI. Sure, I understand a movie isn't entirely finished when the first trailer drops, but wouldn't it feature scenes that are done and the stuff still being worked on isn't shown? Like if a trailer gets panned for bad effects obviously they can say it's unfinished and go back to do touch ups, but I can't think the industry standard is to not present a film in its best light.
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May 5, 2017 14:34
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Movie CGI gets worked on and touched up practically until release day, the CGI you see in movie trailers is literally unfinished and will very likely be refined as the movie nears release. You can even see jumps in CGI quality from one trailer release to the next over the course of a movie's marketing campaign.
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May 5, 2017 14:43
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That's so odd to me. Why wouldn't they expedite work on scenes featured in the trailers?
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May 5, 2017 14:51
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Dinosaurs! posted:That's so odd to me. Why wouldn't they expedite work on scenes featured in the trailers? It's because the whole industry is hosed. They have barely enough people and man hours to get the job done by the release date most of the time, under those circumstances there's no such thing as "expediting" certain scenes. They also don't necessarily know which scenes are going to be chosen for the trailer until its too late.
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May 5, 2017 15:00
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Dinosaurs! posted:That's so odd to me. Why wouldn't they expedite work on scenes featured in the trailers? Read the post-production thread in this here sub to get an idea of how that works.
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May 5, 2017 15:02
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I remember seeing interesting breakdowns of the CGI as shown in trailers for movies like The Avengers and the Transformers movies, where you'd see noticeable increases in detail and fidelity, lighting effects, smoke, textures, etc from one trailer to the next. So yeah, judging modern movie CGI based on trailers is dumb, the movie WILL look different at release (note: "different" may not necessarily mean "better").
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May 5, 2017 15:50
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I guess I'm a dumbass for not figuring employees are worked to the bone on threadbare budgets just like everywhere else.
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May 5, 2017 15:59
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Wish I could find the image, but someone's posted a comparison of Pirates of Caribbean before of a skeleton hand in the trailers over time where it goes from being a tiny bonehand to decked out in rings larger skeleton hand.
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May 5, 2017 16:05
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I feel like I'm the only one who loved Alien 3 in its original form. Alien was amazing. Aliens was not that great unless you love Die Hard and action movies. It was everything that I was glad WAS NOT Alien. Cocky marines, giant guns, massive monster horde. Alien 3 returned to the original Alien with the haunted house vibe and people having their own motivations instead of just "yeah kill the poo poo out of everything." I STILL haven't seen the Assembly Cut, partially because I keep forgetting to track it down, and partially because I really really liked the original. So there.
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May 5, 2017 17:37
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magnificent7 posted:Aliens was not that great unless you love Die Hard and action movies. It was everything that I was glad WAS NOT Alien. Cocky marines, giant guns, massive monster horde. It's always fun when something wooshes right over someone's head.
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ImpAtom posted:It's always fun when something wooshes right over someone's head. SO - you're hinting that all that stuff was a spoof on actual action, or something? Whatever it was, it wasn't the freaky rear end small group not knowing what they're dealing with quietly panic kind of scenario. magnificent7 fucked around with this message at 19:39 on May 5, 2017 |
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May 5, 2017 19:31
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magnificent7 posted:Oh totally. The entire point of Aliens is that the arrogant marines go into a scenario expecting to be the badass action heroes are instead are mercilessly and brutally slaughtered, with their weaponry being literally worse than useless. Their cockiness and giant guns work entirely against them and they are torn apart or captured leaving the survivors injured, helpless and trapped alone in hostile territory. It isn't space truckers being caused off guard by an alien, it's literal marines walking into their own personal space vietnam. It's not horror in the same sense as Alien is but neither is Alien 3. (And in fact Alien 3's horror is entirely built off Ripley knowing exactly what is happening and eventually the sheer inevitability of the thing inside of her.) Acting like it's a hoo-ra action movie where they effortlessly gun down aliens because they're so cool missing literally everything that happens in Aliens, probably in favor of the video games where that is what happens. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 20:12 on May 5, 2017 |
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May 5, 2017 20:08
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ImpAtom posted:The entire point of Aliens is that the arrogant marines go into a scenario expecting to be the badass action heroes are instead are mercilessly and brutally slaughtered, with their weaponry being literally worse than useless. Their cockiness and giant guns work entirely against them and they are torn apart or captured leaving the survivors injured, helpless and trapped alone in hostile territory. Regardless, it's all moot, I'll drop it.
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May 5, 2017 20:19
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magnificent7 posted:No, I get it - I get all that. It's just a departure from the first Alien. It's a great statement, great movie. I loved the first one, and the second one just goes in a completely different direction is all, regardless of the intent or point or anything else. Your point is correct, Aliens is basically Cameron just taking the titular monster and creating an entirely knew narrative around it with completely different themes. Because of that most people are going to have a clear favorite, either Alien or Aliens. They're very different films.
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ImpAtom posted:The entire point of Aliens is that the arrogant marines go into a scenario expecting to be the badass action heroes are instead are mercilessly and brutally slaughtered, with their weaponry being literally worse than useless. Their cockiness and giant guns work entirely against them and they are torn apart or captured leaving the survivors injured, helpless and trapped alone in hostile territory. So good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYkxCzBszOQ
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May 5, 2017 21:02
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Does anyone have a good gif of David giving Shaw a thumbs up after he rescues her from the storm? Google image search isn't yielding anything.
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May 5, 2017 21:18
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Die Hard, a film renowned for being loved only by a few.
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May 6, 2017 02:14
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Die Hard, a film renowned for being loved only by a few.
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May 6, 2017 03:11
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Jeez you got a big pussy. Jeez you got a big pussy
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May 6, 2017 03:32
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I'm gonna go get the papers get the papers.
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May 6, 2017 04:52
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Game over man, game over.
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May 6, 2017 06:01
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8LJSuO4aXA
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May 6, 2017 08:18
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Opening weekend with even more anticipation than before. mllaneza fucked around with this message at 08:35 on May 6, 2017 |
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May 6, 2017 08:31
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Not a film clip. It's another short by Luke Scott.
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May 6, 2017 08:36
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I wonder if you could be like "mother, if the monster that's on board wanders into a room with only one way out, lock it in" or if it'd be like trying to explain your plan to Siri.
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Tenterhooks posted:I wonder if you could be like "mother, if the monster that's on board wanders into a room with only one way out, lock it in" or if it'd be like trying to explain your plan to Siri. "Okay, now playing The Room directed by Tommy Wiseau"
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