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Alienwarehouse posted:Sorry man, we're stuck with a Cory Booker nominee in 2020. Only if we let it happen. At this point, I don't think he's going to get the nomination, thank God.
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Thread title subject matter: Nancy Pelosi reaffirmed today that the Democratic Party has no plans to pursue single-payer when asked.  We eagerly await shrike82 and JeffersonClay's explanations as to why this is a good thing.
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Dear dems: When your opponents are making an unforced error by doing a really horrible thing maybe don't break into song to gloat about it while the horrible thing happens.
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Alienwarehouse posted:Thread title subject matter: Nancy Pelosi reaffirmed today that the Democratic Party has no plans to pursue single-payer when asked. That tweet was false.
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Alienwarehouse posted:Thread title subject matter: Nancy Pelosi reaffirmed today that the Democratic Party has no plans to pursue single-payer when asked. *cough* Oxxi don't ruin the surprise man, edit it out! I wanna hear Condiv and NFS get their hot takes in first. They still need to eat crow from the Montana bullshit.
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Der Waffle Mous posted:Dear dems: When your opponents are making an unforced error by doing a really horrible thing maybe don't break into song to gloat about it while the horrible thing happens. Taunting evil people that you are going to punish them for doing evil things and take away their power to do yet more evil things isn't a sin E: unless you mean it's bad 'optics' but it didn't seem to hurt the Republicans in 1993 when they sang about Democrats getting punished for raising taxes, and anyway "remember when I took away your healthcare, remember that when I hosed you over, well Democrats laughed at little ol me aren't they mean" would be an odd campaign ad for a Republican to run VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 05:24 on May 5, 2017 |
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SSNeoman posted:*cough* Oh, because this totally exempts those two posters from relentlessly defending Hillary's centrist policies and neoliberalism altogether, correct?
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VitalSigns posted:Taunting evil people that you are going to punish them for doing evil things and take away their power to do yet more evil things isn't a sin If the 2016 election taught us anything, it's that voters care very very deeply about civility and proper decorum in politics.
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VitalSigns posted:Taunting evil people that you are going to punish them for doing evil things and take away their power to do yet more evil things isn't a sin There's going to be a whole loving year and a half where people will be dying before the elections, and they're acting like it's a loving game of who gets more seats this time. I know it's not """good governance""" but maybe at that point it might be more courageous to gently caress off and deny the GOP a quorum. Actually nvm, just checked and the house quorum is 218, so that's not an option either. Agnosticnixie fucked around with this message at 05:33 on May 5, 2017 |
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Alienwarehouse posted:Oh, because this totally exempts those two posters from relentlessly defending Hillary's centrist policies and neoliberalism altogether, correct? Lol you posted a gotcha which turned out to literally be fake news and you're gloating? Talk about Chapo style left wing conspiracy theories.
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Alienwarehouse posted:Oh, because this totally exempts those two posters from relentlessly defending Hillary's centrist policies and neoliberalism altogether, correct? I don't think you're arguing what you're trying to argue about with this post.
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Der Waffle Mous posted:Dear dems: When your opponents are making an unforced error by doing a really horrible thing maybe don't break into song to gloat about it while the horrible thing happens. It was unnecessary, but I don't think it's going to hurt the Dems too much a year and a half from now. shrike82 posted:Lol you posted a gotcha which turned out to literally be fake news and you're gloating? Tipping your hand a bit there, silly little troll.
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I go to the in and out and tell them to make my burg "chapo style"
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Hi, I'd like a chapo sized bean burrito, no cheese, add guac.
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That'll be 50 grand a month in patreon dollars and a healthy amount of white male privilege.
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God drat avocado prices. Screw it then, no guac.
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shrike82 posted:That'll be 50 grand a month in patreon dollars and a healthy amount of white male privilege. See, JeffersonClay and other Clinton apologists? This is you. This is what you sound like. Majorian fucked around with this message at 06:21 on May 5, 2017 |
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I have to say, the notion of a grifting group of white male educated podcasters that spend their time lambasting minority Democrats as being the same as the GOP while not having to worry about deportations or abortion rights is a pretty good summary of the leftist movement in the US right now. https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312
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shrike82 posted:I have to say, the notion of a grifting group of white male educated podcasters that spend their time lambasting minority Democrats as being the same as the GOP while not having to worry about deportations or abortion rights is a pretty good summary of the leftist movement in the US right now. I like this guy
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shrike82 posted:I have to say, the notion of a grifting group of white male educated podcasters that spend their time lambasting minority Democrats as being the same as the GOP while not having to worry about deportations or abortion rights is a pretty good summary of the leftist movement in the US right now. Also a good summary of this thread
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SSNeoman posted:I like this guy He's making fun of you, dude. Like, you in particular.
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x-post from c-spam: quote:https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/...Fm.facebook.com "if the left is so popular, why aren't there more leftist politicians  "centrists will probably say this woman deserves to be investigated cause she was anti-segregation, unlike their darling samantha bee
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https://twitter.com/Jaffe4Congress/status/860230770153078785 i hope jaffe wins 
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shrike82 posted:I have to say, the notion of a grifting group of white male educated podcasters that spend their time lambasting minority Democrats as being the same as the GOP while not having to worry about deportations or abortion rights is a pretty good summary of the leftist movement in the US right now. Welp, no one can criticize centrist policies any more if they come from a minority. Wrap it up, bernouts.
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Majorian posted:He's making fun of you, dude. Like, you in particular. I'd describe my political beliefs as "woke shrike" lol
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shrike82 posted:I have to say, the notion of a grifting group of white male educated podcasters that spend their time lambasting minority Democrats as being the same as the GOP while not having to worry about deportations or abortion rights is a pretty good summary of the leftist movement in the US right now.
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Don't you have homeless people to evict, troika.
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Corey Robin on Facebook:quote:Here's why both Sanders and Pelosi are wrong about abortion and the left. It's not because they're saying the left is about coalitions and compromise. That is true, and it's something a lot of people on the left *and* liberals and more centrist types aren't particularly good at: alienating potential voters, pushing away potential converts, and picking stupid fights, seems to be the one thing that everyone in this broad camp knows how to do. The real problem with the Sanders/Pelosi narrative is that it's stuck in the 1970s and 1980s and 1990s. That was when the right shrewdly repositioned abortion—and questions of gender more generally—as an issue in the "culture wars," and a broad swath of the left, from neoliberal centrists like Bill Clinton to more radical class-first types, took the bait and began talking about "values voters" and how the left had to win back the working class (often positioned as white) by either soft-pedaling issues like abortion (which is, as a lot of people have pointed out, very much an economic and a class issue) or by adopting more conservative positions on abortion. That was always, I think, the wrong analysis, but it's really wrong today. Hillary Clinton did not lose voters to Trump (that is, voters who could have voted for her) because of his or her stance on abortion. Though Trump got the support of the Christian Right, no swing voter moved toward him because he somehow spoke for the "values voter." The left—again, from the neoliberal center to more radical strands of the left—can't, and perhaps more important, doesn't need to, rebuild itself by giving up on reproductive rights. Yet, like neoliberalism itself, this notion of the values voters lives on, a zombie idea, in the heads of a generation of leaders who don't realize that their work (from Pelosi's fighting to protect abortion rights to Sanders' redefinition of the political divide in the Democratic Party) has produced a new political field in which those ideas no longer obtain.
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I just don't think the Democrats can recapture (in their minds) the Golden Era of FDR, or the Silver Era of LBJ. In 1964, Goldwater was defeated by a landslide. You had the Republican Party basically kicked out of the House and Senate. You had the liberal powerhouse of Earl Warren on the Supreme Court, and LBJ was able to jam his "Great Society" legislation through Congress. I feel like every Democratic Candidate has been trying to revisit this political era; and in some ways we have. You don't have to be a political scientist to realize the correlation between the Berkeley protests of the 1960s, and the Republicans coming into office with Nixon in 69' to the liberal protest on universities today, and the Republicans overwhelmingly recapturing the Presidency, House, and Senate.
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shrike82 posted:I have to say, the notion of a grifting group of white male educated podcasters that spend their time lambasting minority Democrats as being the same as the GOP while not having to worry about deportations or abortion rights is a pretty good summary of the leftist movement in the US right now. Wait, isn't this just implying that if you're white you have no choice but to agree with Democrats? Like, you could use this argument in literally any situation where a white person disagrees with the status quo. You might have a point if the people in question actually advocated for things that would hurt minorities (or advocated against things that would help them), but that isn't the case?
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It's a parody of a type of argument that many liberals / left-leaning people use legitimately.
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Tommy_Udo posted:I just don't think the Democrats can recapture (in their minds) the Golden Era of FDR, or the Silver Era of LBJ. In 1964, Goldwater was defeated by a landslide. You had the Republican Party basically kicked out of the House and Senate. You had the liberal powerhouse of Earl Warren on the Supreme Court, and LBJ was able to jam his "Great Society" legislation through Congress. I feel like every Democratic Candidate has been trying to revisit this political era; and in some ways we have. You don't have to be a political scientist to realize the correlation between the Berkeley protests of the 1960s, and the Republicans coming into office with Nixon in 69' to the liberal protest on universities today, and the Republicans overwhelmingly recapturing the Presidency, House, and Senate. but apparently you have to be a political scientist to realize correlation != causation
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Condiv posted:but apparently you have to be a political scientist to realize correlation != causation Much less a correlation consisting of, uh, two data points.
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Condiv posted:but apparently you have to be a political scientist to realize correlation != causation there is absolutely a correlation, it's just a matter of how long it holds the average white working class american hated and still hates college kids making a mess and act like they hate america
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Typo posted:there is absolutely a correlation, it's just a matter of how long it holds yeah, two datapoints in a pattern is technically correlation. i never disputed that. i disputed that you can draw causation in this case
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Majorian posted:He's making fun of you, dude. Like, you in particular. and your point is...? Oh poo poo it's you Maj. Jesus dude if you shoved some WELL MLK SAID into that post I wouldn't be able to tell you apart from Ze Pollack. Come on man. Just on this page we had some moron take a fake tweet about Pelosi at face value. "Bu-b-b-but CENTRISTS!!!" You know what? No. Horseshit. This isn't about criticism, this is you guys firmly convinced that democrats can do no right. And as such you all use any bullshit post-hoc rationalizations to do it. Seraphic Neoman fucked around with this message at 19:20 on May 5, 2017 |
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SSNeoman posted:and your point is...? what are you even railing about SSNeoman? also what's this about a fake tweet against pelosi? the tweet i saw came from a checkmarked reporter that obama, keith ellison, etc followed so i kinda doubt he's making up fake news about the dems, but if you have evidence to the contrary i'd love to see it (i do hope pelosi's position on singlepayer has changed, but i doubt it)
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No checkmark. No follow-up. No verification. Posted by the editor for a left-wing zine who's retweeted it and begged for signal boosts multiple times in the last 24 hours despite having nothing to back up the story except for a brief article from his own newspaper. Dirtbag-left Twitter is an ouroboros of credulous dipshits perpetually shrieking in each other's ears and mistaking it for a chorus of agreement.
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Oxxidation posted:Twitter is an ouroboros of credulous dipshits perpetually shrieking in each other's ears and mistaking it for a chorus of agreement.
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