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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

SpaceGoatFarts posted:

just before the French TV debate betwen LePen and Macron there have been Russian tweeter accounts sharing a fake document claiming Macron has offshore accounts. This was immediately used by Lepen in the debate.

Those who think Russia didn't intervene during US election are painfully naive
I saw mischief-making like that yeah. But relations between the U.S. and Russia have if anything gotten worse since the election, probably in part as blowback for the mischief.

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SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

I saw mischief-making like that yeah. But relations between the U.S. and Russia have if anything gotten worse since the election, probably in part as blowback for the mischief.

Russia doesn't care about having good relationships. They just want to create turmoil in Western countries and make citizens always more hateful of their ruling class

somethingawful bf
Jun 17, 2005
Im laughing in real life if anyone legitimately thinks Russia and Trump had any ties. Real life isn't a loving Tom Clancy spy novel for fucks sake, smh.

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost

Poetic Justice posted:

Im laughing in real life if anyone legitimately thinks Russia and Trump had any ties. Real life isn't a loving Tom Clancy spy novel for fucks sake, smh.

the only tie they have is a piss tape used for blackmailing the Don :sad:

somethingawful bf
Jun 17, 2005

SpaceGoatFarts posted:

Russia doesn't care about having good relationships. They just want to create turmoil in Western countries and make citizens always more hateful of their ruling class

Yeah? So their goal was to get Trump elected to upset the popular majority, and cause chaos, is that it? Really, you think that?

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"
It's funny watching people complain about the propagandistic MSM and in the next breath start posting RT or some random dude's youtube rambles or twitter.

somethingawful bf
Jun 17, 2005
Russia and Trump and youtubers are working from dimensions we haven't even discoverd yet. It's loving crazy man how advanced these people are.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Poetic Justice posted:

Yeah? So their goal was to get Trump elected to upset the popular majority, and cause chaos, is that it? Really, you think that?
Not to help get Trump elected. No. Trump's victory blindsided the Russian government's goons as much as it did everyone else.

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost

Poetic Justice posted:

Yeah? So their goal was to get Trump elected to upset the popular majority, and cause chaos, is that it? Really, you think that?

No

Trump being elected is just the icing on the cake. They just want to create confusion, make people not trusting their government in general. And you don't have to push Americans too much for that. I don't think they will succeed in getting LePen elected though

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost

Poetic Justice posted:

Russia and Trump and youtubers are working from dimensions we haven't even discoverd yet. It's loving crazy man how advanced these people are.

You can try to ridicule this all you want.

Like you said our minds are not our owns anymore and you certainly aren't immune to it neither.

paul_soccer10
Mar 28, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
poo-rear end

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

SpaceGoatFarts posted:

No

Trump being elected is just the icing on the cake. They just want to create confusion, make people not trusting their government in general. And you don't have to push Americans too much for that. I don't think they will succeed in getting LePen elected though
Yeah it's a chaos strategy, which worked for awhile as it allows Russia to punch above its weight geopolitically by being unpredictable. But credible experts who know Russian intelligence people were like "these idiots were totally stunned that Trump actually won -- they didn't expect it." They (quite understandably from their perspective) didn't like Hillary and wanted to poo poo on what they saw as her inevitable inauguration. Now they've got unpredictable Trump in charge and don't know what to do. Putin has been diminished internationally by this.

But this isn't surprising at all. The CIA did stuff like this for decades and it blew up in the agency's face plenty of times.

BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 12:38 on May 5, 2017

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

If it wasn't for stupid ol Russia, Americans and westerners would have trust and respect in their incompetent ruling inbred elite classes and be submissive to their masters. Instead they're demanding such petty and bourgeoise things like "Free and fair elections" and universal health care. God drat Russia!!!!

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
If you don't think foreign intelligence agencies are meddling in the U.S. then you will get owned eventually if you have anything of value. It mostly doesn't have anything to do with politics. Say, if you're a business owner who works in technology and want to protect trade secrets for instance. Industrial espionage is massive.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

The Dennis System posted:

I don't know whether this is a reference to The Matrix, or to that men's rights group thing The Red Pill. Either way, I will stay a Bernie Bro.

Lol a Bernie Bro who doesn't think the media was collaborating with Hillary. Wake up, man, you got directly screwed by these crooks and still you carry water for them?

Harrower
Nov 30, 2002

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

Lol a Bernie Bro who doesn't think the media was collaborating with Hillary. Wake up, man, you got directly screwed by these crooks and still you carry water for them?

A bunch of cucks acting like a bunch of cucks color me surprised.

blugu64
Jul 17, 2006

Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?
lol yes let's let the government run everyone's healthcare, it won't end up being just like the disastrous VA for everyone no sir. Bernie will keep that from happening just like he did while on the veterans affairs committee. lol

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

The Dennis System posted:

It's looking like the whole Trump/Russia conspiracy theory is unraveling. I'm sure there was a some dodgy stuff going on, but probably 90% of it was just hysteria.

anyone with a brain would've known this when Trump launched missiles at Syria and people in the MSM were talking about how great it was and how presidential Trump looked

the first indicator I had that most of it was bullshit was when they constantly reported it as "Russia interfering with/hacking the election" and not the truth, which was "Russia possibly hacked the DNC and released inconvenient truths"

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost
pisstape is real

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

It's cool that you want me, the barely middle class guy, subsidizing the poor's healthcare instead of rich fuckers. I'm the rear end in a top hat now

Don't kid yourself, I also want the rich to get ball cancer.

Bholder
Feb 26, 2013

oh my loving god, the /pol/ users are back...

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

Bholder posted:

oh my loving god, the /pol/ users are back...

you can use my pole :wink:

Mordor She Wrote
Nov 17, 2014

blugu64 posted:

lol yes let's let the government run everyone's healthcare, it won't end up being just like the disastrous VA for everyone no sir. Bernie will keep that from happening just like he did while on the veterans affairs committee. lol

"Lol yes let's let the free market run healthcare it won't end up being disaster like it is now"

S

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost

Mordor She Wrote posted:

"Lol yes let's let the free market run healthcare it won't end up being disaster like it is now"

S

reminder that this monument was funded by republicans. suddenly the new healtcare bill makes sense

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot
Spunky's thoughts -

The government should just pass laws such as "No denying based on pre-existing conditions"

The government should provide low grade but usable health care for the poor

The government should not be listening to what the insurance companies need. They should be dictating the terms of operating in America. Not the other way around

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.

SpaceGoatFarts posted:

reminder that this monument was funded by republicans. suddenly the new healtcare bill makes sense



quote:

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
Unite humanity with a living new language.
Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
Balance personal rights with social duties.
Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
Be not a cancer on the earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.

seems legit to me

SpaceGoatFarts
Jan 5, 2010

sic transit gloria mundi


Nap Ghost

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Spunky's thoughts -

The government should just pass laws such as "No denying based on pre-existing conditions"

The government should provide low grade but usable health care for the poor

The government should not be listening to what the insurance companies need. They should be dictating the terms of operating in America. Not the other way around

The kind of healtcare we have in socialist countries then? More regulation by the government? Sounds like a wise opinion.

Bholder
Feb 26, 2013

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Spunky's thoughts -

The government should just pass laws such as "No denying based on pre-existing conditions"

The government should provide low grade but usable health care for the poor

The government should not be listening to what the insurance companies need. They should be dictating the terms of operating in America. Not the other way around

Hey guess what, they did the exact opposite of all of that just now.

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot

Bholder posted:

Hey guess what, they did the exact opposite of all of that just now.

Great, then I don't agree with it

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

VikingSkull posted:

anyone with a brain would've known this when Trump launched missiles at Syria and people in the MSM were talking about how great it was and how presidential Trump looked

the first indicator I had that most of it was bullshit was when they constantly reported it as "Russia interfering with/hacking the election" and not the truth, which was "Russia possibly hacked the DNC and released inconvenient truths"
Russia had also cultivated various hangers-on like dumbass Michael Flynn. Jill Stein was another one of these. (RT even hosted the Green Party debate lmao)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N0D6Em6P_8

Also hey, give a speech in Russia and get paid for it. And also you get to sit next to Putin during a dinner and drink a bunch. Whaddya know... Russia ain't so bad... maybe we should get along...

Now is this any different from what other foreign governments do with the Democrats? I dunno. It's part of the game. I think it's more common than people assume, but also more banal than the spider-web conspiracy theories suggest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

VikingSkull
Jan 23, 2017
Look Viking you're a trash Trump supporter what the fuck makes you think you can have an avatar that isn't what I decide? Shut your fucking trap and go away. Your trolling is tiresome and just shits up the forum.
I mean, I'm pretty sure that the Clinton Foundation received donations from Russia

Bholder
Feb 26, 2013

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Great, then I don't agree with it

Oh I thought you love it because you are a perfectly healthy young boy who will never ever get sick.

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


people come in and post about the russia stuff unraveling and I don't follow at all. they just post about it as if they haven't seen anything in the past 48 hours or so, and therefore no one has? it's very trumpian. meanwhile, dick burr is trying to put as many wrenches in the slow works as possible, yet yates is still testifying on the 8th and all that.

anyway, BrutalistMcDonalds has the correct narrative. russia wanted to just encourage distrust and america was like "sounds good!!" and went whole hog. it's not like this sort of thing is unprecedented in US politics - besides the modern russian prodding in hungary/france there's, you know, the CIA's hobby of rigging elections in south america etc, and that whole thing where Nixon sabotaged vietnam peace talks in an effort to promote his election campaign in '68. it's not like trump is unique in being a piece of poo poo president who deserves impeachment. nixon did, reagan did.

Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

Great, then I don't agree with it

and folks were telling you this was exactly what was going to happen in a tormp presidency a year ago

Krustic
Mar 28, 2010

Everything I say draws controversy. It's kinda like the abortion issue.

Bholder posted:

oh my loving god, the /pol/ users are back...

Guess who just got back today, some white supremacists nazis' who are pretty gay. Discriminating against black, minorities, and gays, but man I still think those cats are crazy. They were askin' if you were around
How you was, where you could be found, told them you were living in a commie hostile downtown, driving all the failpublicans crazy.
The /pol/'s are back in town!
The /pol/'s are back in town!

Knight
Dec 23, 2000

SPACE-A-HOLIC
Taco Defender
The pisstape is an attitude. It's a mountain dew bottle full of urine thrown through the White House window. It's all our hopes and dreams, in 4K.

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot

World War Mammories posted:

and folks were telling you this was exactly what was going to happen in a tormp presidency a year ago

No they weren't. They were screaming about xenophobia and pussy grabbing

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


Spunky Psycho Ho posted:

No they weren't. They were screaming about xenophobia and pussy grabbing

hmm yase, health care was not an issue in the United States 2016 Presidential Election

I mean if you choose to stick your fingers in your ears, you do you, but it's not the job of the sane people in the room to pull 'em out and make you listen. something something personal responsibility

theperminator
Sep 16, 2009

by Smythe
Fun Shoe
Healthcare so important everyone voted for Trump who is against public healthcare.

theperminator fucked around with this message at 15:30 on May 5, 2017

Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot

World War Mammories posted:

hmm yase, health care was not an issue in the United States 2016 Presidential Election

I mean if you choose to stick your fingers in your ears, you do you, but it's not the job of the sane people in the room to pull 'em out and make you listen. something something personal responsibility

The issue was that Obamacare failed so why would I vote for the party responsible for it lol

You fail to understand the Democrats were so god awful and their voters so abrasive that America chose Donald Trump over them

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Spunky Psycho Ho
Jan 26, 2007

by zen death robot

World War Mammories posted:

sane people in the room

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