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There are both scripted spawns, and they can generally spawn on mayhem.
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UnknownMercenary posted:MIght be a scripted spawn. Same with how Hoxton Breakout day 1 used to always have a Skulldozer in the correct garage room. they fired the skulldozer on hoxbreak d1? gently caress, are they getting rid of the commissar too next?
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There's still always a dozer, I just think it might scale now, cause last time I played it was on OVK or Mayhem I forget and he was just a black armor dozer.
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May 5, 2017 12:33
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They changed it because people used him to cheese the Man With The Golden Gun or w/e it's called achievement
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I can just picture it now: as the crew is being herded towards the parking garage, the Bulldozer's eyes light up with glee along with an ear-to-ear grin as he is handed the control room key and solemnly told "make us proud" by Commissioner Garret himself. Giddy with excitement, he decides that since this is a once-in-a-lifetime moment, he needs to make it count. Sitting down, he turns his chair away from the door to wait... And then he gets a hailstorm of bullets to his faceplate and dies. The end.
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May 5, 2017 13:36
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watho posted:They changed it because people used him to cheese the Man With The Golden Gun or w/e it's called achievement Still easily cheesable to just rerun the first two minutes of Meltdown a couple of times.
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May 5, 2017 13:55
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This got changed long before meltdown got added though iirc
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May 5, 2017 15:06
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The new revolver is cool. Visually, I mean. Statistically it isn't anything special, same in akimbo. But I *do* love using them regardless.
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May 5, 2017 15:15
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Doctor Shitfaced posted:The new revolver is cool. Visually, I mean. Statistically it isn't anything special, same in akimbo. But I *do* love using them regardless.  Sangres is also neat enough as another dude to run around with, especially being free.
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May 5, 2017 15:31
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Some of Sangres's shirts have a low spawn chance. The rarest is actually Almir's taco shirt.
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May 5, 2017 18:11
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Doctor Shitfaced posted:The new revolver is cool. Visually, I mean. Statistically it isn't anything special, same in akimbo. But I *do* love using them regardless. Well, a gun with such high damage and high conceal is something special, but that's more if you're a build efficiency nerd. That aside, it's very well made addition. That it doesn't stand above or below is a good sign of that, even if having a new OP free content weapon would have been funny.
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May 5, 2017 19:46
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It's depressing that Tony and Sangres don't talk to each other in Spanish.
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May 5, 2017 21:19
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So we now have a Mexican and a Cuban running loose in the DC area (mostly) robbing banks, interfering in elections and just generally causing mayhem. Someone let Trump know!
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Discendo Vox posted:Some of Sangres's shirts have a low spawn chance. The rarest is actually Almir's taco shirt. Are they card drops or armor safe drops?
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clockworkjoe posted:Are they card drops or armor safe drops? Pay me $4.99 and I'll tell you.
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Kammat posted:So we now have a Mexican and a Cuban running loose in the DC area (mostly) robbing banks, interfering in elections and just generally causing mayhem. witty comment about trump hiring the payday gang to rig the election poo poo man i gotta get in on this akimbo revolver action, i've been waiting for this
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spit on my clit posted:witty comment about trump hiring the payday gang to rig the election
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spit on my clit posted:witty comment about trump hiring the payday gang to rig the election Trump famously doesn't pay his contractors the full amount or at all so that would turn the Payday gang against him. At this point, they've robbed billions from every federal bank they can. What's left to get revenge?
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clockworkjoe posted:Trump famously doesn't pay his contractors the full amount or at all so that would turn the Payday gang against him. At this point, they've robbed billions from every federal bank they can. What's left to get revenge? How about a heist that's just a bidding war between the left and right to get the payday gang to assault the losing party? first day puts you in a large area akin to goat sim, and the different ways you gently caress up the city changes how much one side bids in favor of you, with day 2 being you working for the winning party.
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Discendo Vox posted:Hey Wilko:
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clockworkjoe posted:Trump famously doesn't pay his contractors the full amount or at all so that would turn the Payday gang against him. At this point, they've robbed billions from every federal bank they can. What's left to get revenge? Kidnap his kids from Maralago. He'll only care to pay out for one for two of them though.
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spit on my clit posted:witty comment about trump hiring the payday gang to rig the election My only nit to pick is that it fires both revolvers in akimbo. True style is alternating shots.
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ok but really, turok dlc when?
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spit on my clit posted:ok but really, turok dlc when? Nah, Turok's old and played out. Make it a crossover with Ark: Survival Evolved.
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TheObserver posted:Nah, Turok's old and played out. Yeah, which is why he would work perfectly in this game
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Crabtree posted:Kidnap his kids from Maralago. He'll only care to pay out for one for two of them though. you kill not-ivanka and the game turns on the BFFs mutator
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Coolguye posted:you kill not-ivanka and the game turns on the BFFs mutator
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goat simulator should be its own escape heist
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The Critic Why everyone should be one http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mACEfGIJkl:eDFhLr:ggIJkLnpr:fHL:ibcdea:pR8:::a1 Deck: Sicario (No reason Rogue isn't fine as well) Primary: Concealed M1014 (Dragon's Breath Rounds) Secondary: 5/7 AP Pistol Additional Notes: I am also using conceal boosts on the weapons in question to meet my target concealment. This is a One Down functional, and tested, fire crit dodge build. The Deck While I would recommend Sicario in LBV below OD, the mounting damage brings it more in line with the suit in OD. It also serves as a more point conservative choice than the LBV Sicario for the intense skill diversity OD can demand. On the surface it performs much like a rogue build. Take cover, depend on sprint dodge if you need to go out of cover. The Sicario, can mitigate sudden dodge failure with it's armor feedback, limiting the sudden health loss a rogue can experience. Additionally, it's smoke grenade can be a tactically vital tool, particularly when combined with jokers. Taking your initial jokers can be dangerous, but a smoke provides mobile on demand cover for it. Also good for more obvious uses of objective defending or teammate revival. Don't forget to smoke your feet when dozers drop on your hidey hole, either. A skull dozer murdering you instantly can turn in to a not totally unlikely chance to survive. A suit sicario that is sprinting is also incredibly well defended; the first hit that takes down your 20 armor also providing an instant 20 dodge boost. Which momentarily puts you on par with a rogue build, with the additional advantage that the next dodge refreshes your armor again. Keeping in mind most enemies can't damage overflow past armor, either. It's mitigating far more than it looks like on paper. The Guns This setup is the true star of the build. Sicario is a good deck, but it suffers much of the same problems Rogue does in OD. A few facts first to establish our baseline thinking. Dragon's Breath uses it's own damage track that cannot be directly modified by skills, and this damage track is the same regardless of shotgun used. With dragon's breath, your shotgun blast can no longer achieve headshots. Fire ticks, however, can crit. The majority of enemy types in game cease attacking when on fire. With proper aim, multiple enemies can be set on fire with one shot. The M1014 can be made concealed, has amazing pickup, and fires quickly. It's crappy base damage ceases mattering when using DB. The damage value per ammo spent skyrockets with a 30% crit rate per tick, and the ticks happen fast enough that several are assured per shot. The kind of damage per shot ratio involved is one weapons in this game struggle desperately to meet, and none are capable of it with this kind of ammo pickup. The enemy will not die instantly, but an enemy who cannot attack might as well be dead. There are exceptions, granted. Medics, dozers, and shields will not become stunned by fire ticks at all. Cloakers will have their charge interrupted per tick, but standing close enough means they can sneak in a spin kick just fine. Your own list of kills will be low, but the control value across your team can be felt immediately. Not only will they not be attacked, you won't be, and anything on fire is easy pickings for your team. It also frees up many points. You don't need any damage related shotgun skills, as none will effect your fire ticks. Just a few shotgun utility skills. You also can't headshot anymore, so 20 armor per headshot is a pointless investment. Put these saved points in other luxuries OD doesn't usually afford you. Oh and the 5/7 ruins shields, captain winters, and dozers without mercy. It's ammo pickup is terrible, but you honestly shouldn't need to use it so much that it runs out. Noted Critical Weakness While the 5/7 will absolutely ruin a turret's armor, it's next to useless against it when the turret stops retreating to repair it's armor. DB rounds will do nothing to the turret either. Either leave the turret to one of your explosive friends, or pick when to make the turret retreat carefully. Final Thoughts Run down steep slopes at an angle. Not straight on.
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I was in the One Down group where the fire critic trick was being used, and can attest to how good it is. Enemies who are busy being on fire don't shoot back. Dozers and Medics are the only ones I noticed that did much besides complain about being on fire while on fire. It is not difficult to repeatedly headshot enemies who aren't shooting back and mostly are flailing around upset about being on fire. Fuuka talks up suit Sicario, but I used LBV Sicario The minimal weapon skills and need to hit 4 concealment for crits & dodge mean weapon selection is highly limited; cut-down GL40 + highly concealable SMG or highly concealable assault rifle + 5/7 are probably the two best of relatively few viable options. I similarly don't recommend bothering with much in the way of damage skills for OD; the enemies simply have too much HP and hit too hard and too reliably to give any build much of a reasonable shot at duking it out. Crit'ing with headshots on guys who are flailing around on fire, however, works pretty good. The smoke grenade is an excellent OD throwable, especially since it is on a fairly short cooldown and can be kept active a rather lot. LBV Sicario has the nice feature of having JUST enough armor to not have armor break entirely from a single hit; a tiny sliver of armor remains, and snipers aside, any single attack can only break your armor. Silly cops, not optimizing around our breakpoints! Effectively, you can take two hits before your armor breaks, meaning you're at +40% dodge chance, from 25% base, +10% if sprinting yields 75% chance to score a dodge and reset armor entirely is as durable as I've ever felt on OD. This is assuming no smoke grenade active which can push the dodge chance up even higher. Furthermore, the build isn't frenzerk and thus can health-tank *a* shot if it has to that fraction of the time when it does have to. If you're missing any OD cheevos, set up some Sicario builds and get em done before it gets nerfed. As-is it's a helluva perk deck for OD. Also notable, since the whole team won't be Sicario, team-mate flashbangs are also available. Smoke + flashbangs out is the safest it's ever felt to move around on OD, Sicario or not.
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I'm not sure it's actually worthy of a nerf, as it's basically a rogue who's RNG works more reliably. You won't randomly snuff it to a single cop shooting you because RNG didn't favor you, but the way the deck works insures you can be overwhelmed by enough sources of gunfire at once. I'm afraid it will be nerfed, however, because the deck actually works in a sensible manner and isn't stuck with a gimmick that is half broken/unworking.
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Fuuka Ayase posted:Well, a gun with such high damage and high conceal is something special, but that's more if you're a build efficiency nerd. That aside, it's very well made addition. That it doesn't stand above or below is a good sign of that, even if having a new OP free content weapon would have been funny. We've had that since 2014 in the form of the Judge.
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There are numerous things wrong with the judge. I see people slobber over it, but it's not the pretty pet of the game so many think it is.
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Is one of those problems that it can't hit 256 damage
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Guys, I need an update where the Payday Gang troll Captain Winters by trying to befriend and call him all the time.
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Ammo count, ammo pickup, magazine size, high recoil, and all of the previous making it's high fire rate pointless. Has terrible damage fall off too. If hitting a magic number is the concern, I'm fairly sure it could do so with ease. There's a few reasons I think people like the judge a lot, but they have to do with things you can build around other weapons as well.
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Fuuka Ayase posted:Ammo count, ammo pickup, magazine size, high recoil, and all of the previous making it's high fire rate pointless. Has terrible damage fall off too. If hitting a magic number is the concern, I'm fairly sure it could do so with ease.
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As a relatively new join, I don't doubt I have a different perspective of certain things. I have far more option open to me than people use to. I think the judge is okay, but I can think of shotgun setups I'd much rather use. That's even ignoring the db crit build. edit: Wait, didn't this start by weighing the worth of the castigo? It's a concealed DMR in everything but name. Concealed for no effort at that. It's not the hottest new poo poo, but I think it deserves a place in the game. Fuuka Ayase fucked around with this message at 00:26 on May 7, 2017 |
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Fuuka Ayase posted:edit: Wait, didn't this start by weighing the worth of the castigo? It's a concealed DMR in everything but name. Concealed for no effort at that. It's not the hottest new poo poo, but I think it deserves a place in the game.
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What happened to the Discord? I have been out of town for two weeks.
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