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WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Yeah nah that's poo poo. Agree with the insufferable snorter guy.

# ? May 5, 2017 15:36

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Frogfingers: Oct 10, 2012

It's almost as if the people championing harmony in diversity don't have skin in an ethno/sectarian conflict and the ones who aren't there yet might have some healing to do.

# ? May 5, 2017 16:14

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Frogfingers posted:

It's almost as if the people championing harmony in diversity don't have skin in an ethno/sectarian conflict and the ones who aren't there yet might have some healing to do.

The ability to fight the racism against Indian's while at the same tine acknowledging the culture of dowry and caste is inherently misogynistic and not compatible with appeals to multiculturalism, to use an example from the last page, is a difficult balance.

# ? May 5, 2017 17:57

Bogan King: Jan 21, 2013; I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

https://twitter.com/Mitch_Hell/status/860310393591185408

# ? May 5, 2017 19:35

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

I like Safran but it is extremely easy to stand on the side and say that both sides are bad when you aren't at all invested in the struggle (should non-white people exist at all?)

# ? May 6, 2017 00:49

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Recoome posted:

I like Safran but it is extremely easy to stand on the side and say that both sides are bad when you aren't at all invested in the struggle (should non-white people exist at all?)

How is a Jew not invested at all? He seems invested to me, but maybe he has his own methods and perspective on what winning and losing looks like.

# ? May 6, 2017 00:55

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

He is a writer in this scenario so observing is completely justified when amongst these Republican Vampires.

https://youtu.be/TVuiF_TdsBw

# ? May 6, 2017 01:07

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

While not exactly political, but the AOC members have continued with their own self interest and voted John Coates back as the President of the Committee.

# ? May 6, 2017 01:37

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

fash should be bashed, regardless of age.

Also Xenophon gets to serve both his primary hobbies at once: tokenistic opposition to gambling, and libertarianism. No betting ads in sports broadcasts (until 8:30pm), oh and the minor note of removing anti-monopoly restrictions like the 2 out of 3 and reach rules (a company can only own 2 out of 3(tv, radio, print) media forms in a single market, and shouldn't reach more than I think 70% of the population with a single distribution). Also slashing tv licensing fees.

:laffo:

Imagine how dumb a state has to be to get caught up in this guys cult of lack of personality.

# ? May 6, 2017 01:47

Bogan King: Jan 21, 2013; I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

https://twitter.com/JustinWolfers/status/860314187096109056

:cawg:

# ? May 6, 2017 01:56

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Actually still will be gambling ads during racing

# ? May 6, 2017 02:00

Horseshoe theory: Mar 7, 2005

Bogan King posted:

https://twitter.com/JustinWolfers/status/860314187096109056

Rupes is the real PM, after all.

# ? May 6, 2017 02:18

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Recoome posted:

Actually still will be gambling ads during racing

Literally no one has ever watched racing for any purpose other than gambling so that's a lost cause (and ideally would be gotten rid of entirely) as far as I'm concerned.

# ? May 6, 2017 02:29

Bogan King: Jan 21, 2013; I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

Horseshoe theory posted:

Rupes is the real PM, after all.

Then we have a solid relationship with the USA after all

# ? May 6, 2017 02:53

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

President Murdoch in all but name.

# ? May 6, 2017 04:13

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

DancingShade posted:

President Murdoch in all but name.

He's been running Australia and the UK, so he might as well as the US to that list.

# ? May 6, 2017 05:32

Bogan King: Jan 21, 2013; I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

https://twitter.com/jonathonio/status/860702429767057408

# ? May 6, 2017 07:08

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Bogan King posted:

https://twitter.com/jonathonio/status/860702429767057408

THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW

# ? May 6, 2017 08:28

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

This is so bad I'm wondering if it's a joke done by an actual Fairfax journo to highlight the effect of their strike.

# ? May 6, 2017 08:34

cohsae: Jun 19, 2015

That's gotta be written by one of those predictive text algorithms right? They're testing if they're ready to fire everyone and replace them with computers.

# ? May 6, 2017 08:35

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

cohsae posted:

That's gotta be written by one of those predictive text algorithms right? They're testing if they're ready to fire everyone and replace them with computers.

News written by scripts and ad clicks generated by bots.

The real suckers will be those who pay for the adverts.

# ? May 6, 2017 08:59

Bogan King: Jan 21, 2013; I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

Zenithe posted:

This is so bad I'm wondering if it's a joke done by an actual Fairfax journo to highlight the effect of their strike.

Judging by the flak she is getting from other journos it seems she's just really loving poo poo and a scab. This was a bit written before the strike was called but not submitted. She was asked not to submit it after strike was called but did anyway. Surprised she was getting work pre scab as this is just atrocious.

# ? May 6, 2017 09:34

Bogan King: Jan 21, 2013; I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

Lets just have a quick look at what she has to say about it all

https://twitter.com/emfarrelly/status/860697439023448064

# ? May 6, 2017 09:38

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Bogan King posted:

Lets just have a quick look at what she has to say about it all

https://twitter.com/emfarrelly/status/860697439023448064

So this is how she normally writes then?

# ? May 6, 2017 09:48

G-Spot Run: Jun 28, 2005

I should start handing my posts into Fairfax, they're apparently editorial quality.

# ? May 6, 2017 09:49

G-Spot Run: Jun 28, 2005

my post is always poop, as internet proves

# ? May 6, 2017 09:51

Bogan King: Jan 21, 2013; I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

Bogan King posted:

Lets just have a quick look at what she has to say about it all

https://twitter.com/emfarrelly/status/860697439023448064

Lets have a look see how it's working out for her

# ? May 6, 2017 09:52

Cleretic: Feb 3, 2010; Can't post for 47 hours!

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

So this is how she normally writes then?

I'm guessing what you're seeing isn't just a lovely journalist, but also a lack of sub-editors. Not only can't she spell (in fairness, I studied journalism, that's not as uncommon as you'd think), there's no longer anybody there to fix it.

# ? May 6, 2017 10:28

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Bogan King posted:

Lets just have a quick look at what she has to say about it all

https://twitter.com/emfarrelly/status/860697439023448064

Should have signed up for freelance pro like all the other union freelancers not contributing to the age.

# ? May 6, 2017 10:29

Bogan King: Jan 21, 2013; I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

Cleretic posted:

I'm guessing what you're seeing isn't just a lovely journalist, but also a lack of sub-editors. Not only can't she spell (in fairness, I studied journalism, that's not as uncommon as you'd think), there's no longer anybody there to fix it.

It's just a lovely journalist. Her article compared selling a house to the slave trade.

# ? May 6, 2017 10:37

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

I am jealous of everyone here who is unfamiliar with Farrelly.

# ? May 6, 2017 11:02

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

If anything it's an unintentionally scathing comment on the quality of non-union labor.

# ? May 6, 2017 11:30

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

I'm not a scab, I'm just a non unionised worker who fulfills demand at the employers request during a strike

# ? May 6, 2017 11:48

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

not linking because its domain but its one of their only articles that has given the impression "oh look, a bubble and we're all totally hosed"

quote:

There are now only four Sydney suburbs where the median house price is below $500,000, new data shows. And they�re all more than 45 kilometres west of the CBD.

Five years ago, there were more than 150 suburbs out of 467 in Sydney that could make this claim. This included areas like Auburn, South Granville, Westmead and Campbelltown.

Now, the only areas with median house prices under half a million dollars are the City of Blacktown�s Willmot, Tregear, Lethbridge Park and Blackett.

this all happened in five years.

# ? May 6, 2017 11:57

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Lid posted:

not linking because its domain but its one of their only articles that has given the impression "oh look, a bubble and we're all totally hosed"

this all happened in five years.

ITS FINE

# ? May 6, 2017 12:23

sausage eyes: Nov 28, 2007; Truly the Abbott government is comparable to the horrors of Nazi Germany - auspol poster Sausage Eyes, 2015, in between hits of the crack pipe.

Uhmmm that really sucks about Farrelly. She can be really hit or miss with her writing but has been one of the only journos calling out local council and developer collusion and greed in Sydney and also championing public housing regularly in the smh.
I like her writing about architecture and housing policy....she sometimes gets stuff a little wrong when she waxes poetic. Actually was hanging out with one of those twitter people who called her a scab and had a convo about how cool she was....when we saw her walk past a long time ago now.
Hope she says sorry it sucks breaking a strike like that.

I think her politics lately are more Rawlsian liberal than social democrat or socialist which sucks but I dunno older people who support cool stuff sometimes get a bit weird and mean.

sausage eyes fucked around with this message at 13:01 on May 6, 2017

# ? May 6, 2017 12:25

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Solemn Sloth posted:

ITS FINE

Incidentally looking at an old Clarke and Dawe

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2007/s2098073.htm

A criticism was interest rate rises, six in four years under Howard. In 2017 we'd kill for interest rates to stop being artificially suppressed to stop the house of cards.

# ? May 6, 2017 13:29

ShoeFly: Dec 28, 2006; Waiter, there's a fly in my shoe!

Cleretic posted:

I'm guessing what you're seeing isn't just a lovely journalist, but also a lack of sub-editors. Not only can't she spell (in fairness, I studied journalism, that's not as uncommon as you'd think), there's no longer anybody there to fix it.

Fairfax actually outsourced all of our subeditors to New Zealand a few years back. It's a company called Pagemasters, they're definitely not on strike with the rest of the journos.

# ? May 6, 2017 16:59

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

quote:

Scott Morrison: new budget test for 'nowhere man'

When it comes to rating the performance of the treasurer, Scott Morrison, the economist, Saul Eslake, doesn�t mince words. He says Australian treasurers need to be good at three things. They need to make good decisions, then have the skills to communicate them, and have the gumption and the policy drive to get smacked down periodically by the prime minister of the day.

�It�s not clear that Morrison is good at any of those things yet,� Eslake tells Guardian Australia.

Morrison was dropped into the job with no prior experience. I believe it showed
Saul Eslake
The independent economist, who has worked in the Treasury, the financial markets, thinktanks and in government advisory roles, says he was prepared to cut Morrison some slack early in his tenure.

He says Morrison was the first treasurer to be dropped into the position with no prior experience in an economic portfolio since Labor�s John Kerin, who replaced Paul Keating as treasurer in 1991, during Labor�s Hawke/Keating power struggle.

�It�s a tough portfolio. Morrison was dropped into the job with no prior experience,� Eslake says. �I believe it showed.�

Morrison, 49 next Saturday came into parliament as MP for Cook in New South Wales after a career mixing business, politics (as state director of the Liberal party in NSW) and government agencies (he was MD of Tourism Australia). He came to the treasury portfolio in September 2015 via social services, after a long stint in the immigration portfolio, a period he used to burnish his credentials with Coalition conservatives. Eslake points out the immigration stint was characterised by crude soundbite communications, and a systemic lack of transparency. It�s not a style that works in the treasury portfolio.

Eslake says since taking up the treasurer position, Morrison �readily resorts to slogans, and hasn�t shown a capacity to carry a sophisticated or nuanced argument�.

In terms of the critical relationship between the treasurer and the prime minister, he says Morrison is not so much sat on by the prime minister, as airily �brushed aside� by a boss who doesn�t seem to rate him. Eslake says Morrison has �struggled to develop a coherent narrative�.

John Daley, who runs the Grattan Institute, sees a treasurer mired by the Treasury process. �He seems to be captive to the same forces that have held the last two treasurers captive,� he says.

Treasury produces four-year forecasts suggesting the budget will make an orderly transition back to surplus � a surplus that never arrives. �We�ve seen nothing from Morrison indicating he�ll do something different. When you are predicting you are going to be in surplus in four years time, why would you have the tougher discussion?�

Chris Richardson, who like Eslake started in Treasury, before building up a career as a private forecaster at Access Economics, now owned by Deloitte, is broadly on the same page as Eslake about Morrison�s communication deficiencies, but is more inclined to see a glass half full.

He sees a treasurer with a point of view, facing a lot of challenges.

�Morrison is clearly a treasurer with strong values, and he seeks policy solutions to try and meet those values,� Richardson says. �But in a deeply divided Australia, either people aren�t listening, or the communications skills aren�t up to it.�

Morrison will preside over his second budget next Tuesday.

The Treasury is the second toughest job in Australian politics. Treasurers are responsible for not only government finances, they are held responsible for the performance of the economy. Morrison is trying to manage his two imperatives in complex times, and given most of the job is about saying no to colleagues, treasurers are rarely popular.

To impress in his job, Morrison has to have the policy grunt and sufficient command of his material to placate expert external constituencies � professional economists like Eslake, Daley and Richardson � who translate developments in economic policy to the Australian public through their regular media appearances and punditry.

Then there�s placating the fickle ratings agencies, hovering with intent about Australia�s AAA credit rating, and reassuring the financial markets.

Governments also have to also manage the rent seekers, the conga line of lobby groups that descend annually on the national capital to pontificate on the contents of the government�s annual economic statement.

Behind the fog of special interests, stand the voters, sometimes barely visible.

Morrison has a Herculean task trying to repair the damage the government inflicted on itself with its first, politically toxic budget in 2014 � the budget that rapid set negative public perceptions about the Coalition government.

He has to slay the zombies of the Abbott period, literally in terms of nixing unpopular savings measures the government has no hope of legislating, and metaphorically in the sense of out-running a ghoul � a ghost of a disastrous government past.

The government has to break the negative impressions created by the disastrous opening in 2o14. The government�s persistently poor poll performance in 2017 tells us the imperative of political reinvention is urgent. But the government as a collective has also learned turning the ship of state isn�t easy, particularly in an atmosphere of rolling internal insurgency.

Morrison is clearly trying to execute a pivot. He�s attempting to turn the conversation about debt and deficit away from the hysterical �disaster� rhetoric of Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey. He�s trialling a more constructive characterisation: productive debt, which funds infrastructure and unproductive debt, which funds excessive recurrent spending.

Landing the budget�s infrastructure package is a critical component of project reinvention. The implacable austerity of the Abbott period has to make way for prudent nation building. Morrison has to find the dexterity to reposition, without reducing a complex policy argument to facile pantomime. For the treasurer, this will be a significant test.

With only limited room to move in a fiscal sense, Morrison also has to send some positive messages on health and education � issues voters connect with and care about � and given he�s raised expectations, produce some measures on housing affordability, which is a major political preoccupation in Sydney and Melbourne.

Budgets are as much about political storytelling as they are about accounting. Next Tuesday night, Morrison has to make a politically productive break from past mistakes, and land a document that feels internally coherent and makes sense.

And while the government�s external constituencies will be rating the budget for clarity, consistency and courage � their various feelpinions thundering across the airwaves as soon as the 7.30pm embargo lifts � Morrison�s most existential and pressing challenges are internal.

Morrison has gone in a short period of time from being next cab off the rank, the Liberal party�s next natural leader, once the Turnbull cycle inevitably exhausted itself, to watching his stocks plummet.

He�s lost ground internally, muddied up in the government�s protracted war of the tribes: the small �l� liberals and libertarians versus the conservatives � Team Malcolm versus Team Tony.

In recent times, the treasurer has had to wear the ignominy of being publicly dropped by the Sydney radio host Ray Hadley. Politicians can often learn the hard way that their media friends and boosters � people they have spent years courting and flattering and indulging � are fickle, and temperamental.

But Hadley�s decision wasn�t a quixotic shock jock outburst. Declaring himself post-Morrison was a brutal judgment call, a reading of the internal tea leaves. The gesture says Morrison is not currently the red meat conservative�s leadership alternative of choice. Immigration minister Peter Dutton has leap-frogged Morrison, and Tony Abbott (re-embraced by Hadley) remains relentlessly in public view.

Morrison is not friendless, he has a group of loyal supporters, but he�s a man without a tribe in the middle of the Coalition�s clash of clans. One colleague is caustic in his assessment. �He�s the nowhere man.�

Around the government, you will hear consistent critiques about Morrison. He�s got a bit of a short fuse. He can rub people the wrong way. He can be brittle. He lacks the capacity to tell a compelling economic story � he can�t stitch big themes together � and he lacks finesse managing expectations, which is an essential art form for treasurers, and half the battle in landing a budget successfully.

There is also concern around the government that Morrison has fumbled the politically sensitive housing issue prior to the budget, raising expectations that the government can�t possibly meet, and effectively giving the federal government ownership of a problem that could have been sheeted home to the states.

Some colleagues who have offered the treasurer policy suggestions designed to raise the government�s level of ambition have been warned off by Morrison declaring the ideas won�t meet the Daily Telegraph test � an arbitrary benchmark that doesn�t thrill everyone.

One colleague who has time for Morrison points out the treasurer has been prepared to push the envelope � to take on big challenges, and try and hold the line when things get tough � but remarks the strength can also be a weakness. Sometimes, he won�t take a hint that�s he overextended. Sometimes, he won�t take advice when he needs to.

Conservatives have particular complaints about Morrison. There are two perceived transgressions. There�s a belief he walked both sides of the street during Turnbull�s surgical strike against Abbott � that he didn�t rally his supporters to shore up Abbott against the Turnbull incursion.

Some colleagues also see him as being insufficiently committed to a robust savings agenda, which is an article of faith for fiscal conservatives.

In the eyes of some internal critics, Morrison in the Treasury has been too inclined to look at revenue options: adjusting super concessions for high income earners, a foray that still reverberates internally. �Treasury has the revenue lever, so they focus on that, and Scott has allowed that to continue. He�s been focused on one side of the equation � that�s how the base sees it,� says one colleague. �It�s cost him support.�

Other colleagues point out some of the current internal criticism of Morrison might reflect a combination of personal ambition, judicious score settling, and bed wetting.

One puts it this way. �There are many people who might fancy his portfolio, but do we think anyone would find the job easy? All treasurers struggle for the first couple of years. Does anyone really think there is someone out there now, hovering in the wings, who will do a better job?�

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/may/06/scott-morrison-new-budget-test-for-nowhere-man

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