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iPodschun
Dec 29, 2004

Sherlock House

Bogart posted:

Gale Wings only working when Talonflame's at full HP only makes sneaky pebbles all the more central to the metagame which suuuuucks. I think Garchomp's niche is primarily in singles -- maximum beef and maximum poke works wonders still for dealing with physical attackers.
Has the Garchomp doubles thinking changed recently? Garchomp was second in Showdown VGC usage in February behind Arcanine and was on 6 teams in the Portland VGC top 8. Z-Earthquake wrecks things and there's Rock Slide for flinch, Poison Jab and/or Fire Fang for coverage, and Swords Dance for setup.

For Talonflame, it makes for a decent starter in doubles with Tailwind at least.

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EthanSteele
Nov 18, 2007

I can hear you

Countblanc posted:

I sorta feel like it's the opposite - it's expected that your opponent will have rocks so people just don't use Talonflame so there's honestly less pressure to prioritize putting rocks out ASAP.

I'm noticing a trend of people not using Magnet Pull on Magnezone anymore and going for Analytic based on the idea that people will either have a Shed Shell on their Skarmory/other steel type or will just assume you have Magnet Pull and not even try to switch out so you might as well get that extra damage from Analytic which could also trick the other guy into thinking you have an Expert Belt or Specs because of the increased damage. Rock Head/Lightning Rod Alola Marowak is another one that people try to bluff, but that goes right out the window as soon as you Flare Blitz or the Koko uses Thunderbolt instead of U-Turn when you switch in. Apparently Nidoqueen but Timid instead of Modest is also a thing catching people by surprise. Pokemon metagaming sure is something.

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

The White Dragon posted:

pokemon thread, i saw bw's soundtrack on sale but i kinda don't remember it. was it any good/worth buying the hard copy over? please provide examples for or against it

haha what kind of nerd would buy a cd in the year 2017 *very carefully hides Serial Experiments Lain Soundtrack CD I brought 2 weeks ago*

Dizz
Feb 14, 2010


L :dva: L
Is Stylish the only place for pokemon showdown skins? Some look nice but don't work properly.

DJ Turbo Punch
Feb 3, 2006

WAKE UP


Hi Pokegoons! Random breeding question here. So I want to have my whole competitive team in Luxury Balls, but I've got two starters on my team (one from Gen III and another from Gen IV) who, so far as I can tell, can't be found in the wild to allow for non-standard pokeballs. Problem is, according to Serebii's pokeball legitimacy chart it says you can obtain starters from those generations in non-standard pokeballs. My question is, how is that even possible? So far as I can tell the only way to legitimately do that is to obtain (or breed) a pokemon caught from some random Korean event from Gen V. Am I missing anything here?

Silver Falcon
Dec 5, 2005

Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

DJ Turbo Punch posted:

Hi Pokegoons! Random breeding question here. So I want to have my whole competitive team in Luxury Balls, but I've got two starters on my team (one from Gen III and another from Gen IV) who, so far as I can tell, can't be found in the wild to allow for non-standard pokeballs. Problem is, according to Serebii's pokeball legitimacy chart it says you can obtain starters from those generations in non-standard pokeballs. My question is, how is that even possible? So far as I can tell the only way to legitimately do that is to obtain (or breed) a pokemon caught from some random Korean event from Gen V. Am I missing anything here?

Not sure about Gen III, but you can get Gen IV starters from Island Scan. Different ones are available on different days. Do that and you can get your Luxury Ball Ganonpig or whoever.

Somebody else weigh in on Gen III dudes. I'm drawing a blank.

less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll

Silver Falcon posted:

Not sure about Gen III, but you can get Gen IV starters from Island Scan. Different ones are available on different days. Do that and you can get your Luxury Ball Ganonpig or whoever.

Emboar is gen V.

Gen IV is Empoleon/Infernape/Torterra, those aren't available in Island Scan.

Hrist
Feb 21, 2011


Lipstick Apathy
For a second I was thinking it might have been because of that New Year's set where they came in cherish balls, but that was the Gen V ones too... I really have no idea where else you could get starters outside of a normal ball.

Were they ever part of some dream world event? One where they were a code or a prize or something that you had to go to the special park thing to catch them? That's all I can come up with, but seems unlikely. If that happened, you'd have to really, REALLY hope someone got them in Luxury balls and can trade/clone them to you.

EthanSteele
Nov 18, 2007

I can hear you
I don't think any starters could show up in the XY friend safari unfortunately/.

PSWII60
Jan 7, 2007

All the best octopodes shoot fire and ice.

EthanSteele posted:

I don't think any starters could show up in the XY friend safari unfortunately/.

The Gen 1 and 6 starters were in the XY friend safaris at least.

Emong
May 31, 2011

perpair to be annihilated


Hrist posted:

For a second I was thinking it might have been because of that New Year's set where they came in cherish balls, but that was the Gen V ones too... I really have no idea where else you could get starters outside of a normal ball.

Were they ever part of some dream world event? One where they were a code or a prize or something that you had to go to the special park thing to catch them? That's all I can come up with, but seems unlikely. If that happened, you'd have to really, REALLY hope someone got them in Luxury balls and can trade/clone them to you.

Yeah, there was a super obscure event where they were downloadable from the Dream World in I think Japan. That's the only way to get them in anything other than a standard pokeball.

EthanSteele
Nov 18, 2007

I can hear you

PSWII60 posted:

The Gen 1 and 6 starters were in the XY friend safaris at least.

You're right! I was just completely blind when I checked the list on Serebii.

OgreNoah
Nov 18, 2003

less laughter posted:

Emboar is gen V.

Gen IV is Empoleon/Infernape/Torterra, those aren't available in Island Scan.

You could get them in the Dream World thing in B2W2, and you could have caught them in a luxury ball, and then transferred them forward. Dream World is shut down now though, so the trick is either finding someone with one, or simply hacking one, because it's technically a possible combination.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l9gztGtUDcVXX21nFsdN3m3B-D7NpkLbgSrILpv3gug/edit#gid=1217519108 <- this has all the available balls for each pokemon and if the HA is accessible.

The Gen III starters are also available in Luxury Ball, but even more difficult to find. They came from a Japanese event @ lvl 10 in 2010/11 where you could capture it in any ball you had, which meant any non-apricorn ball.

So basically you should cheat, but they're legal once you breed one.

Xander B Coolridge
Sep 2, 2011
I loving hate random double battles :cool:

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7randomdoublesbattle-571018937

DJ Turbo Punch
Feb 3, 2006

WAKE UP


OgreNoah posted:

You could get them in the Dream World thing in B2W2, and you could have caught them in a luxury ball, and then transferred them forward. Dream World is shut down now though, so the trick is either finding someone with one, or simply hacking one, because it's technically a possible combination.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l9gztGtUDcVXX21nFsdN3m3B-D7NpkLbgSrILpv3gug/edit#gid=1217519108 <- this has all the available balls for each pokemon and if the HA is accessible.

The Gen III starters are also available in Luxury Ball, but even more difficult to find. They came from a Japanese event @ lvl 10 in 2010/11 where you could capture it in any ball you had, which meant any non-apricorn ball.

So basically you should cheat, but they're legal once you breed one.

Thanks for all the info, guys! I guess I'm off to find these guys in Luxury Balls, since (as you pointed out), it's a legal combination and they'll be perfectly legal once I breed my own.

Dizz
Feb 14, 2010


L :dva: L

welcome to my life, that poo poo always happens. You should have been spamming protect/EQ to force them into fighting avalugg, or switch him out with someone else to stop them from focusing one dude down.

Also, gently caress flinches. dumbest loving thing in pokemon since single battles.

Xander B Coolridge
Sep 2, 2011
You're right about Earthquake. I should have predicted they'd focus on Magmortar and just risked it.

Bogart
Apr 12, 2010

by VideoGames
The lame thing here is you saying 'cool' every turn, my buddy.

Xander B Coolridge
Sep 2, 2011
I'll tell you right now, it was not cool

Nth Doctor
Sep 7, 2010

Darkrai used Dream Eater!
It's super effective!


Team Rocket finally achieves their goal at 1:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jATNXN9w1NA

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Nth Doctor posted:

Team Rocket finally achieves their goal at 1:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jATNXN9w1NA
There are like 20 Pikachu there and he only caught one? Scrub.

dungeon cousin
Nov 26, 2012

woop woop
loop loop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty9vdFyNE90

Head on over to GameStop and get yourself a Life Orb! Comes attached to a No Guard Midnight Lycanroc.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.
So a Pokemon you can get in the game normally is being given away through an event. Okay. :psyduck:

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
But not in a Cherish Ball!

Real talk, is Lycanroc even any good? I see Midday used sometimes since it's a fast offensive Rock-type (with awful coverage), but I don't see Midnight used much.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

PMush Perfect posted:

Real talk, is Lycanroc even any good? I see Midday used sometimes since it's a fast offensive Rock-type (with awful coverage), but I don't see Midnight used much.

is its type coverage really that bad? with the various fang attacks and sucker punch plus whatever stab rock attack you want, you can hit 8 and that ain't too shabby

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

The White Dragon posted:

is its type coverage really that bad? with the various fang attacks and sucker punch plus whatever stab rock attack you want, you can hit 8 and that ain't too shabby
Coverage with decent BP, anyways. Lycan not having EQ really hurts its sweeping potential, and the Fangs don't hit hard enough to really justify anything without a 4x weakness. Garchomp even edges out Roc in 'fast powerful Camouflage Boulder setter'. Accelerock is neat, but it's just not really enough. I feel like I'd like Midnight more if it had 92 speed instead of 82 and some pretty marginal defense boosts.

Edit: Realtalk, though, what is No Guard even good for? Stone Edge? Doesn't really match up against "please hit me with Sleep Powder".

girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 10:35 on May 6, 2017

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

PMush Perfect posted:

Accelerock is neat, but it's just not really enough.

you have no idea how bummed i was to find that lycanroc doesn't have technician on its ability list

Hammerite
Mar 9, 2007

And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.
Jade Ear Joe

Dr. Fetus posted:

So a Pokemon you can get in the game normally is being given away through an event. Okay. :psyduck:

They want to make it this generation's Lucario I guess.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Hammerite posted:

They want to make it this generation's Lucario I guess.

i think you're thinking of zorua, right?

lucario was just a rare pokemon you got in a mandatory egg by progressing through the story

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

PMush Perfect posted:

I'm pretty much in love with the entirety of Cynthia's D/P/Pt team, Lucario aside, and even that I can get over in the name of a theme team.

Cynthia was the best League champ with Alder as a close second, both as characters and by chosen teams. (Volcarona is still my favorite bug type.) Steven probably would've been better if his games hadn't been poo poo, and Iris was a better swap out than Wallace. But they still don't compare. Everyone else was complete poo poo; yes, even Red.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

AlternateNu posted:

Cynthia was the best League champ with Alder as a close second, both as characters and by chosen teams. (Volcarona is still my favorite bug type.) Steven probably would've been better if his games hadn't been poo poo, and Iris was a better swap out than Wallace. But they still don't compare. Everyone else was complete poo poo; yes, even Red.
I specifically use a Cynthia theme team in OU Doubles on Showdown (for Garchompite), and there's some pretty good utility there. Togekiss' Follow Me is always useful, and a TrickScarf Spiritomb does a remarkable job of messing up some common defensive 'mons.

Rudoku
Jun 15, 2003

Damn I need a drink...


PMush Perfect posted:

Edit: Realtalk, though, what is No Guard even good for? Stone Edge? Doesn't really match up against "please hit me with Sleep Powder".

It's other ability is "please waste a turn trying to hit me with Sleep Powder while I set up on you", so... If this event came out 3 months ago it would've saved me a shitload of breeding time.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Rudoku posted:

It's other ability is "please waste a turn trying to hit me with Sleep Powder while I set up on you", so... If this event came out 3 months ago it would've saved me a shitload of breeding time.
Vaguely related, I always get inordinately pleased whenever Safety Goggles let me no-sell a Sleep Powder or Spore.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND

AlternateNu posted:

Cynthia was the best League champ with Alder as a close second, both as characters and by chosen teams. (Volcarona is still my favorite bug type.) Steven probably would've been better if his games hadn't been poo poo, and Iris was a better swap out than Wallace. But they still don't compare. Everyone else was complete poo poo; yes, even Red.

I don't get saying Steven would be better if his games weren't poo poo after saying Cynthia is the best. That makes no sense.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Blaze Dragon posted:

I don't get saying Steven would be better if his games weren't poo poo after saying Cynthia is the best. That makes no sense.
Platinum aged like milk, we've been spoiled by QoL improvements since then, but at the time, it was hot poo poo.

Hammerite
Mar 9, 2007

And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.
Jade Ear Joe

The White Dragon posted:

i think you're thinking of zorua, right?

lucario was just a rare pokemon you got in a mandatory egg by progressing through the story

No, I mean Lucario. They want to make it the pokemon that the 10-year-old target market thinks is badass and which gets really popular in general (and furries draw tons of porn of it but just ignore that as much as possible)

They were trying to make Zorua the Lucario of Gen 5 but it didn't really work out.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Hammerite posted:

No, I mean Lucario. They want to make it the pokemon that the 10-year-old target market thinks is badass and which gets really popular in general (and furries draw tons of porn of it but just ignore that as much as possible)

They were trying to make Zorua the Lucario of Gen 5 but it didn't really work out.

oh ok i see what you mean

i'm not sure if that's their goal, but in japan, they haven't had lycanroc distribution events at all. they're actually much more about bewear. in terms of advertising efficiency, i'd assume that sticking with one across all regions (like pikachu, or the coordinated pushing of lucario and zorua) would be better. maybe they're still deciding, or wanted to make zygarde the cool pokemon but they just need to give up, it's never gonna stick

i hope they go with nebby

Hammerite
Mar 9, 2007

And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.
Jade Ear Joe

The White Dragon posted:

oh ok i see what you mean

i'm not sure if that's their goal, but in japan, they haven't had lycanroc distribution events at all. they're actually much more about bewear. in terms of advertising efficiency, i'd assume that sticking with one across all regions (like pikachu, or the coordinated pushing of lucario and zorua) would be better. maybe they're still deciding, or wanted to make zygarde the cool pokemon but they just need to give up, it's never gonna stick

i hope they go with nebby

I'm speaking from a position of total ignorance. I just figure from the "bad boy" design of Midnight Form, and this distribution of it that they want it to fill that niche.

less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll
Tapu Koko has gotten the biggest Lucario-style marketing push this gen.

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iospace
Jan 19, 2038


less laughter posted:

Tapu Koko has gotten the biggest Lucario-style marketing push this gen.

It's a minor anime character, popular in the meta, and cool looking. Don't blame them

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