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Jay Cutler was a top 20 quarterback in the National Football League.
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May 7, 2017 03:36
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Quiet Feet posted:Jay Cutler was a top 20 quarterback in the National Football League. Top 15 even
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May 7, 2017 06:40
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I remember a Bears Lions game, when Jay had a tissue paper oline and the Lions D led the league in sacks (or top 3) and I was so excited to see how many times we would sack Cutler. Nooopppeeee Cutler runs for his life the entire game and has a fantastic game while singlehandedly dodging the pass rush and we maybe only got to him like one time. That's when I firmly believed Cutler is like the best bears QB ever and they didn't deserve him.
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May 7, 2017 07:14
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Hizawk posted:I remember a Bears Lions game, when Jay had a tissue paper oline and the Lions D led the league in sacks (or top 3) and I was so excited to see how many times we would sack Cutler. Same but the Giants who weren't even doing a good job pass rushing that season and then came out and tied an NFL record by sacking Cutler 9 times in one half.
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May 7, 2017 10:05
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Jay Cutler never had a good game against the Dolphins and he is my spirit animal so I like him a bunch.
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May 7, 2017 15:40
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If Jay Cutler were a bear he'd be a panda. He doesn't give a gently caress.
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May 7, 2017 15:50
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Volkerball posted:Same but the Giants who weren't even doing a good job pass rushing that season and then came out and tied an NFL record by sacking Cutler 9 times in one half. The Doug & OB show after that was the greatest radio that's ever been aired and I believe it should be in the Smithsonian, there is almost nothing funnier than people with insane chicago accents repeatedly saying "nine sacks in the first half"
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May 7, 2017 16:09
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R.D. Mangles posted:The Doug & OB show after that was the greatest radio that's ever been aired and I believe it should be in the Smithsonian, there is almost nothing funnier than people with insane chicago accents repeatedly saying "nine sacks in the first half" It was pure magic. Wasn't it determined he was concussed and they still put him out there?
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May 7, 2017 18:41
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The Chargers have a workout scheduled with Tre Boston. How bad is he, Panthers fans
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May 7, 2017 19:00
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a neat cape posted:The Chargers have a workout scheduled with Tre Boston.  can you spot him?
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May 7, 2017 19:16
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FizFashizzle posted:
 He kinda staggered like he was injured but I am guessing it was more staggering stupidity?
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May 7, 2017 19:15
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FizFashizzle posted:
He moves like he's wearing 10 layers of clothing.
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May 7, 2017 19:24
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FizFashizzle posted:
Gross.
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May 7, 2017 19:30
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Sataere posted:It was pure magic. Wasn't it determined he was concussed and they still put him out there? Idk, but he did end up leaving for a concussion. Then Collins came in and got hurt, and hanie finished the game.
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May 7, 2017 19:31
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Volkerball posted:Idk, but he did end up leaving for a concussion. Then Collins came in and got hurt, and hanie finished the game. ah yes, a happier time back when the bears were respectable.
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May 7, 2017 19:54
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I also think it is disingenuous to call Cutler bad. Everything about his career numbers shows he is decidedly average. I think the problem is that his highs are spectacularly high and his lows are equally so.
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May 8, 2017 04:13
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In a League with Brandon Weeden, Osweiler and <insert Browns starting QB here> its incredibly disingenuous. Cutler would legit have started on a lot of NFL teams a couple of years ago. Then he hit full dont care bear because the Bears didnt give a gently caress about trying to get him decent talent (sans Marshall and Jeffrey)
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May 8, 2017 11:32
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Cutler is pretty much Eli if the latter had played most of his career for a lovely org instead of one good enough to get him in position to make two runs where he stopped chucking passes to the wrong jerseys. Highs where they occasionally look like one of the best QBs in the league, with some unbelievably wretched lows.
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May 8, 2017 11:45
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Durandal1707 posted:Cutler is pretty much Eli if the latter had played most of his career for a lovely org instead of one good enough to get him in position to make two runs where he stopped chucking passes to the wrong jerseys. Highs where they occasionally look like one of the best QBs in the league, with some unbelievably wretched lows. Eli had more highs I think. Cutler had maybe 3 top 10 qb seasons. He's more of a Jake Plummer.
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May 8, 2017 13:35
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Volkerball posted:Eli had more highs I think. Cutler had maybe 3 top 10 qb seasons. He's more of a Jake Plummer. Assuming Cutler had 3 top 10 QB seasons that sounds a hell of a lot better than Plummer. Jake had one good season and a whole lot of poo poo. I mean he's a modern quarterback with a 1:1 career TD/INT ratio. Half of what people poo poo on Cutler for is throwing picks and he's thrown 62 more TD's than he has picks. Plummer's a pretty cool guy though.
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May 8, 2017 13:44
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Grittybeard posted:Assuming Cutler had 3 top 10 QB seasons that sounds a hell of a lot better than Plummer. Jake had one good season and a whole lot of poo poo. I mean he's a modern quarterback with a 1:1 career TD/INT ratio. Half of what people poo poo on Cutler for is throwing picks and he's thrown 62 more TD's than he has picks. Plummer got into the league almost a decade before Cutler though. Cutler was the beneficiary of being born into a much more pass happy league that put bigger emphasis on developing qb's. So their career stats aren't a 1:1 match, but they're a hell of a lot closer than cutler and Eli's.
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May 8, 2017 13:58
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Volkerball posted:Plummer got into the league almost a decade before Cutler though. Cutler was the beneficiary of being born into a much more pass happy league that put bigger emphasis on developing qb's. So their career stats aren't a 1:1 match, but they're a hell of a lot closer than cutler and Eli's. Hence why I noted he's a modern quarterback. Your argument would make more sense if Plummer's career started in 1967 instead of 1997, but I'd take 1977. The league in general started valuing ball security long before Jake came into the league. Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 14:22 on May 8, 2017 |
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May 8, 2017 14:19
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Volkerball posted:Plummer got into the league almost a decade before Cutler though. Cutler was the beneficiary of being born into a much more pass happy league that put bigger emphasis on developing qb's. So their career stats aren't a 1:1 match, but they're a hell of a lot closer than cutler and Eli's. Rate+ is a player's passer rating for a season indexed to the league average for that season (where average = 100). So this is actually a piss-easy comparison. Source is pro-football-reference.com Low: A=83, B=68, C=69 High: A=110, B=112, C=114 Average:A=100, B=97, C=94
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May 8, 2017 14:24
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A is Cutler, B is Eli, C is Plummer.
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May 8, 2017 14:30
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Those numbers hint at what I've always thought: Cutler is slightly better than Eli. Jay had a poo poo oline for an eternity, and really bad teams for the majority of his time in Chicago. His career reminds me of Romo's excluding that the latter was able to work through all the bullshit - which is an exception for nearly all QBs. That's why Romo is great, Cutler is good, and gently caress you if you disagree.
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May 8, 2017 15:38
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Cutler would have owned on the Texans. Glad they have a bad GM.
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May 8, 2017 15:44
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The Year Cutler finally got an O-Line and weapons, are the years the Defense was the worst and second worst defense in franchise history. Cutler got hosed by the stupid as gently caress Bears organization.
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May 8, 2017 15:48
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sean10mm posted:Rate+ is a player's passer rating for a season indexed to the league average for that season (where average = 100). So this is actually a piss-easy comparison. Source is pro-football-reference.com That's just passer rating though. Look how many 4,000 yard seasons Eli has compared to cutler. Hell, Eli almost cracked 5,000 once. Cutler could never generate offense like that. gently caress his efficiency stats.
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May 8, 2017 15:50
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Elephanthead posted:Cutler would have owned on the Texans. Glad they have a bad GM. You have a roster that's playoff ready. There is an above average veteran QB interested in playing for your team. Instead you reach for a raw QB prospect. You are a professional NFL General Manager.
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May 8, 2017 15:50
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Volkerball posted:That's just passer rating though. Look how many 4,000 yard seasons Eli has compared to cutler. Hell, Eli almost cracked 5,000 once. Cutler could never generate offense like that. gently caress his efficiency stats. Passing yards is a garbage stat.
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May 8, 2017 15:51
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:You have a roster that's playoff ready. They'd be dark horse Superbowl candidates with a good qb
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May 8, 2017 15:51
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I bet Rick Smith's line of thinking is looking at last year's Cowboys and going "welp if they caught lightning in a bottle with Dak we sure as poo poo can with Deshaun!  "
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May 8, 2017 15:53
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:They'd be dark horse Superbowl candidates with a good team. To play devils advocate I can understand a little why they made that decision. The Texans have spent much of their existence getting burned by free agent quarterbacks who turned into pumpkins. Maybe after the latest debacle with Brock and then the failure to sign Romo they felled compelled to draw a line in the sand and draft a quarterback.
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May 8, 2017 15:56
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:You have a roster that's playoff ready. Fixed your post
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May 8, 2017 15:59
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Was Romo ever going to join another team?
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May 8, 2017 16:02
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Was Romo ever going to join another team? There was a ton of poo poo going on behind the scenes, with promises he wouldn't go to "certain" teams and Jerry possibly not releasing him because he A. wanted to see if someone would get desperate and B. he didnt want houston to get offseason media coverage which is absolutely insane but it's Jerry so I believe it. Romo probably just decided he didn't want to lose his offseason fat again and wants to work one day a week and play golf the others.
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May 8, 2017 16:04
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:To play devils advocate I can understand a little why they made that decision. The Texans have spent much of their existence getting burned by free agent quarterbacks who turned into pumpkins. Maybe after the latest debacle with Brock and then the failure to sign Romo they felled compelled to draw a line in the sand and draft a quarterback. There was no reason not to do both though, given they bought all that cap room. Sign Cutler to a Glennon-like deal and give him a shot while seeing what you've got in your new QB.
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May 8, 2017 16:14
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Passing yards is a garbage stat. It's a big one to take into context.
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May 8, 2017 16:26
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Volkerball posted:Eli had more highs I think. Cutler had maybe 3 top 10 qb seasons. He's more of a Jake Plummer. Lol at comparing Cutler to the guy whose job he took
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May 8, 2017 19:04
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a neat cape posted:Lol at comparing Cutler to the guy whose job he took Trubisky confirmed for better than Cutler
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May 8, 2017 19:20
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