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I remember when Descent first came out on PC and tons of people got sick from it. Same when mouselook controls became standard and FPS games became more 3d. I think people get used to that sort of "new technology" pretty fast.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:Trip report: DS9 Season 1, episode 15 "If Wishes Were Horses" Isn't this the episode where Rumplestiltskin was originally a leprechaun and then Colm Meaney, presumably remembering Up the Long Ladder, went to the producers, exclaimed "Are you loving kidding me?" and got it changed?
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May 8, 2017 18:53
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:Trip report: DS9 Season 1, episode 15 "If Wishes Were Horses" I should probably amend this; it's less "The Naked Time" than it is TNG's "Liaisons." But my point still stands.
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May 8, 2017 19:02
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Baronjutter posted:I remember when Descent first came out on PC and tons of people got sick from it. Same when mouselook controls became standard and FPS games became more 3d. I think people get used to that sort of "new technology" pretty fast. I dunno, some people react really poorly to VR, but a lot of resources is being poured into figuring out what causes this and mitigating the issues. As a personal anecdote, I don't even get slightly seasick or feel queasy from rollercoasters or any of that kind of equilibrium stuff, but after a couple of hours or so in VR I felt pretty drat strange after taking the goggles off, like being slightly hung-over for the next 60 minutes.. which isn't great for extended periods of play. But speaking of Star Trek videogames that you can play today, there's a very well done total conversion mod for Stellaris called New Horizons that is actually really, really good and probably the best star trek strategy game to date. It even has uniforms/ships/events that change as the timeline progresses, moving from TOS era ships to DS9-era through the course of the game https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=688086068 I heartily recommend it to anyone who owns the game (or plans to!)  
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May 8, 2017 19:25
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Nebakenezzer posted:It's a fair point. I not so long ago saw the first season of the X-files, and I was surprised how well sorted the show was even in its initial episodes, and sorta wished the Treks could launch strong like that. I usually make this kind of post about Twilight Zone, but X-Files was a very different beast in that it was a conscious attempt to combine the horror/sci-fi anthology series with the police procedural. As such, you basically have a whole new cast each episode (aside from the main two leads) and the focus is on an entirely new story each time out rather than a group of established characters getting into their latest wacky adventure. Kibayasu posted:Isn't this the episode where Rumplestiltskin was originally a leprechaun and then Colm Meaney, presumably remembering Up the Long Ladder, went to the producers, exclaimed "Are you loving kidding me?" and got it changed? Someone who still has a copy the DS9 Companion can correct me, but I believe he had to explain that Ireland is not, in fact, a fairyland of thatched roofs and elves, and that he (and by implication, O'Brien) came from an urban, industrialized area. At least Memory Alpha has this great quote: Michael Piller posted:We had no idea there was any sensitivity to leprechauns in the Irish culture and certainly we did not want to force Colm Meaney to act with a leprechaun, but what the hell do you do after you've got a whole story structured around a leprechaun stealing a child? The bubble Star Trek writers seemed to exist in at times was impressive.
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May 8, 2017 19:47
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Whoever designed those Klingon wedding uniforms must have been cribbing from the ST VI Klingon outfits. They look a lot like the clothing Gorkon and Azetbur were wearing.
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May 8, 2017 20:16
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Baronjutter posted:I remember when Descent first came out on PC and tons of people got sick from it. Same when mouselook controls became standard and FPS games became more 3d. I think people get used to that sort of "new technology" pretty fast.
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May 8, 2017 20:26
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I would watch that episode a lot if Robert Carlyle was Rumpelstiltskin instead of never like I do now.
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May 8, 2017 20:28
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After The War posted:The bubble Star Trek writers seemed to exist in at times was impressive. It's okay. They redeemed themselves by hiring Jamake Highwater, Native American, as a cultural consultant.
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May 8, 2017 20:37
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Bohemian Nights posted:I dunno, some people react really poorly to VR, but a lot of resources is being poured into figuring out what causes this and mitigating the issues. As a personal anecdote, I don't even get slightly seasick or feel queasy from rollercoasters or any of that kind of equilibrium stuff, but after a couple of hours or so in VR I felt pretty drat strange after taking the goggles off, like being slightly hung-over for the next 60 minutes.. which isn't great for extended periods of play. Stellaris is also the early unlock for next month's Humble Bundle monthly, so you can get it for $12 right now. Along with some other games that you may or may not want that will unlock in June.
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After The War posted:The bubble Star Trek writers seemed to exist in at times was impressive. vermin posted:It's okay. They redeemed themselves by hiring Jamake Highwater, Native American, as a cultural consultant. Boy, it takes a bit of the flavor out of a bold examination of humanity's future once it becomes abundantly clear the writers haven't examined humanity's past or present.
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It was bizarre how they kept the same writing staff on for years and years, while you have things like staff writers being assigned a movie script and trying to get out from doing it. In Hollywood. They couldn't find someone who wanted to write the script for insurrection. In Hollywood.
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May 8, 2017 20:48
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"This is a cool episode idea, but why do you want me to write this? I thought the next generation was cancelled." "No, this is going to be a feature length movie." 
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Cojawfee posted:"This is a cool episode idea, but why do you want me to write this? I thought the next generation was cancelled." I really wish someone had told them that TV and Film are different media. Even Abrams doesn't seem to have quite figured that out.
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Arglebargle III posted:It was bizarre how they kept the same writing staff on for years and years, while you have things like staff writers being assigned a movie script and trying to get out from doing it. In Hollywood. They couldn't find someone who wanted to write the script for insurrection. In Hollywood. Well a few things go into that. 1) Word-of-mouth spread far and wide that a writing gig at Star Trek was one of the worst in the business, even with Gene out of the picture. 2) Star Trek is often seen as a dead end gig unless you want to work in Star Trek exclusively, or not at all, for the rest of your career. So you'd be looking to get into Trek if you were new in the business or "always wanted to work on Trek" in most cases. 3) The Star Trek writing team had become insular to the point that you couldn't work on Star Trek unless you understood Gene's Vision by way of Rick Berman. Star Trek has always had a problem with cannibalizing itself and hitting the same notes over and over. At certain points you get the feeling that there are only so many story concepts that the writing team was willing to or capable of doing. It just didn't occur to them that Gene had been walled off from creative control for the 80's films and most of those had turned out well, with three of them being fantastic. The Great Bird of the Galaxy cult was at its strongest in the decade or so after his death.
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Cojawfee posted:"This is a cool episode idea, but why do you want me to write this? I thought the next generation was cancelled." Piller was responsible for both story and screenplay. Prior to bringing him on board there was zero concept beyond "hey, let's do another Trek movie"
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May 8, 2017 22:03
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Evek posted:And it wasn't even their own costumes. They had to borrow ones the main cast of DS9 wore. Well, Stewart and Spiner got to have their own made for them. Frakes, Burton, Dorn and everyone else had to borrow from DS9.
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dont even fink about it posted:Well a few things go into that. Why was Star Trek seen as a dead-end job?
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Arglebargle III posted:Why was Star Trek seen as a dead-end job? Once you're tainted by scify you forever carry that smell.
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May 8, 2017 22:27
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Arglebargle III posted:Why was Star Trek seen as a dead-end job? Because Piller insisted that all the writers stay within "Roddenberry's Box."
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That stellaris mod is great but there are some issues. Once you form the federation the other founder worlds are all vassals to you, and the last game I played they all declared war on me for independence and won.
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After Trek, I think it can be reasoned that three of the five Captains have had both acclaimed and lucrative careers after the fact (Shatner, Stewart and Mulgrew.) Terry Farrell had a good long run on Becker. And then you have a handful of others that do the occasional tv episodes or one off movie shots... while others, Frakes and Dawson specifically have gone into directing. It's really like anything else - some will do stuff and others won't. Some are just happy to get collecting that sweet Con money.
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May 8, 2017 23:53
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CaveGrinch posted:After Trek, I think it can be reasoned that three of the five Captains have had both acclaimed and lucrative careers after the fact (Shatner, Stewart and Mulgrew.) Terry Farrell had a good long run on Becker. And then you have a handful of others that do the occasional tv episodes or one off movie shots... while others, Frakes and Dawson specifically have gone into directing. Colm Meaney has been in everything, literally everything.
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It may not be acclaimed, but Bakula is leading an NCIS, that's drat lucrative.
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Burning_Monk posted:Colm Meaney has been in everything, literally everything. He was goddamn incredible in Hell on Wheels.
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MikeJF posted:It may not be acclaimed, but Bakula is leading an NCIS, that's drat lucrative. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE5yvuKoFmE
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dont even fink about it posted:Well a few things go into that. The genes vision really hamstrung them in VOY and ENT. They had to hit this small target over and over and eventually they just wore it away to nothing. Even staff at the time thought ENT was too soon and the franchise was getting played out. I think it would have benefitted from a cooling off period, although that puts it on the other side of Nemesis and the UPN dissolution which means it probably wouldn't have gotten made at all.
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CaveGrinch posted:After Trek, I think it can be reasoned that three of the five Captains have had both acclaimed and lucrative careers after the fact (Shatner, Stewart and Mulgrew.) Terry Farrell had a good long run on Becker. And then you have a handful of others that do the occasional tv episodes or one off movie shots... while others, Frakes and Dawson specifically have gone into directing. Dorn has done a fuckton of voicework over the years.
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MrJacobs posted:Dorn has done a fuckton of voicework over the years. That reminds me how much the cartoon Gargoyles featured ex-TNG cast members. it was great too!
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New Vegas is my favourite Fallout partially because it has both Michael Dorn and Rene Auberjonois.
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skooma512 posted:The genes vision really hamstrung them in VOY and ENT. They had to hit this small target over and over and eventually they just wore it away to nothing. Even staff at the time thought ENT was too soon and the franchise was getting played out. I think it would have benefitted from a cooling off period, although that puts it on the other side of Nemesis and the UPN dissolution which means it probably wouldn't have gotten made at all. It's almost like Nemesis was a terrible idea all around! (Except for the general concept of featuring the Romulans for once, too bad that's never gonna happen again  )
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McSpanky posted:It's almost like Nemesis was a terrible idea all around! (Except for the general concept of featuring the Romulans for once, too bad that's never gonna happen again What do you mean, the very next movie featured the Romulans! 
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CaveGrinch posted:After Trek, I think it can be reasoned that three of the five Captains have had both acclaimed and lucrative careers after the fact (Shatner, Stewart and Mulgrew.) Terry Farrell had a good long run on Becker. And then you have a handful of others that do the occasional tv episodes or one off movie shots... while others, Frakes and Dawson specifically have gone into directing. We're kind of confusing the actors with the other production staff, but: Not everyone gets into acting because they want to do cons for the rest of their lives, or because they want to be forever known for one character (who outside of the leads are not typically known for being good roles). Shatner and Stewart struggled to get other work for years afterward (though Stewart made bank as Picard). Shatner eventually did OK for himself, but was doing dumb horror movies until the 80's. Of course if you're open-minded enough, you know that any solid Trek gig is a gig for life, and that's now something that translates onto several genres (Norman Reedus apparently makes more money at cons than he does on The Walking Dead). As far as production roles, well, guys with skills that are in high demand on other productions probably do fine. And some of the writers went on to great careers at other shows, especially if they survived the vetting process at TNG. But everyone in the industry knew that the TNG writing team was mostly a revolving door, the people with permanent spots were spending insane amounts of time looking at spec scripts, and that the production was ruled by Great Bird cultists. Then there's the scifi stink, which isn't fair, but a thing none the less.
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Burning_Monk posted:That reminds me how much the cartoon Gargoyles featured ex-TNG cast members. Also Mulgrew as Titania!
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Namaer posted:That stellaris mod is great but there are some issues. Once you form the federation the other founder worlds are all vassals to you, and the last game I played they all declared war on me for independence and won. Vexit.
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dont even fink about it posted:We're kind of confusing the actors with the other production staff, but: Stewart had several roles post tng. He had a bunch of tv movies, lovely and or low budget films, and theater work while doing tng movies and before X-Men. I still remember him as Ahab in some ABC version of Moby Dick in the mid 90s. Made First Contact a little funnier.
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Namaer posted:That stellaris mod is great but there are some issues. Once you form the federation the other founder worlds are all vassals to you, and the last game I played they all declared war on me for independence and won. "It's insidious." "...just like the Federation."
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dont even fink about it posted:As far as production roles, well, guys with skills that are in high demand on other productions probably do fine. And some of the writers went on to great careers at other shows, especially if they survived the vetting process at TNG. But everyone in the industry knew that the TNG writing team was mostly a revolving door, the people with permanent spots were spending insane amounts of time looking at spec scripts, and that the production was ruled by Great Bird cultists. I've heard stories from other TV writing teams and honestly this doesn't sound different than any other show run by a personality.
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Delsaber posted:New Vegas is my favourite Fallout partially because it has both Michael Dorn and Rene Auberjonois. I knew Auberjonois played Mr. House, but Dorn?.... *checks IMDB*  New Vegas: best Fallout. Now, even best-er.
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Burning_Monk posted:Colm Meaney has been in everything, literally everything. "We need an Irish. Get Colm Meaney on the phone." --everyone
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