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shrike82 posted:I'm voting for Corey Booker in 2020, you're voting for Stein. i doubt a racist trump voter would ever vote for corey booker, but you say whatever you want to try to make yourself feel less racist after feeling the need to defend racists i'll be over here not voting for jill stein and not giving segregation loving racists a pass
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May 9, 2017 09:51
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That's great! I'm happy to be owned by you online if you do go and vote for Corey Booker especially after your Stein vote. We're both Democrats at the end of the day.
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May 9, 2017 09:56
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shrike82 posted:That's great! I'm happy to be owned by you online if you do go and vote for Corey Booker especially after your Stein vote. if corey booker is the 2020 candidate, and he has greater than a snowball's chance in hell of winning my state (at the moment, he don't), then i'll vote for him. otherwise, i don't need to bother as it's a symbolic vote and he doesn't align with me politically (that he aligns with a segregationist like yourself is v worrying too)
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May 9, 2017 09:59
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shrike82 posted:I didn't realize they were politicians driving the Democrat party but I guess we live in an era where Chapo Trap House is a bastion for the leftist "resistance". If you want to claim that Samantha Bee has no influence on politics, please feel free. She has a nationally televised show where she speaks her political opinions for millions to listen to. Calling her out is perfectly fine.
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May 9, 2017 10:03
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Yes she has no influence on politics.
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May 9, 2017 10:08
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Hey tv personality idpol argument megathread, we got news from Montana. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/...n-single-digits Noted X-man Hater Mike Pence is heading to Montana to stump for the GOP candidate
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May 9, 2017 10:10
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SSNeoman posted:If you guys aren't bored of this yet, we got news from Montana. they did this for ks04 as well iirc. dems should give up on trying to catch republicans off guard. they are going in to all of these fights and treating them as top priority contests. meanwhile obama is campaigning for foreign leaders instead of democrats back home. at least bernie's gonna support quist
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May 9, 2017 10:13
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shrike82 posted:Yes she has no influence on politics. The irony of you calling out individuals for their voting decisions and then saying this is amazing. Sam Bee certainly influenced more than one voter. E: VVV If you don't care for the topic of conversation, feel free to not post for a while. WampaLord fucked around with this message at 10:21 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 10:14
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Why not pen an article for Breitbart or National Review about how the "entertainment" wing of the Democrat party are rich white racists? That seems like a pretty lucrative career.
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May 9, 2017 10:19
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SSNeoman posted:Hey tv personality idpol argument megathread, we got news from Montana. I know that it's good for Democrats to even be close at all in these deep red races, but gently caress I hope they win one of these things sometime.
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May 9, 2017 11:02
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shrike82 posted:Yes she has no influence on politics. True, because a liberal Democratic party led by people like her will continue to fail electorally
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May 9, 2017 12:38
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shrike82 posted:Why not pen an article for Breitbart or National Review about how the "entertainment" wing of the Democrat party are rich white racists? She is a rich white racist though The bare minimum the Democratic Party can do is not allow Breitbart and National Revoew to make actually valid attacks on them
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May 9, 2017 12:40
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I'm not too worried about Breitbart/NR because they're going to make poo poo up as they always do. I'm a bit surprised leftists care as well.
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May 9, 2017 12:43
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Queering Wheel posted:I know that it's good for Democrats to even be close at all in these deep red races, but gently caress I hope they win one of these things sometime. Well, you see, it would be wrong for the national party to help the candidates in these races because something something. icantfindaname posted:The bare minimum the Democratic Party can do is not allow Breitbart and National Revoew to make actually valid attacks on them One of the more baffling things about centrists is that they get super mad about people who think that the Democrats and Republicans are the same and then also get super mad when somebody criticizes Democrat politicians for doing poo poo that directly feeds this idea.
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May 9, 2017 12:44
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Cerebral Bore posted:Well, you see, it would be wrong for the national party to help the candidates in these races because something something. And you were advocating for voting Le Pen. There seems to be an underlying nihilism with white leftists where it's not just sufficient to abstain from voting to taint their leftist credentials, but they have to actually vote for fascists. white_accelerationism.txt
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May 9, 2017 12:52
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shrike82 posted:And you were advocating for voting Le Pen. Look buddy, if you want to do this mindless contrarian poo poo you shouldn't actually make poo poo up. Shows a lack of dedication to the trolling.
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May 9, 2017 12:56
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Redistricting is fine and all but I worry that ultimately the rich people will just bail to some other wealthy neighborhood in a few years. I think that what we ultimately need is to fund schools equally at the state or federal level and then remove the barriers that prevent poor kids from attending rich schools. That way there's no point in moving since literally every school will have poor/black students. More affordable public housing in rich areas is also a good idea.
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May 9, 2017 13:21
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VitalSigns posted:The whole reason that real estate costs so much in that neighborhood uh, Manhattan real estate isn't affordable period
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May 9, 2017 13:26
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shrike82 posted:And you were advocating for voting Le Pen. Isn't it time for you to switch over to trolling the pro-establishment Democrats?
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May 9, 2017 13:30
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shrike82 posted:I didn't realize they were politicians driving the Democrat party but I guess Actually if you don't politically align with the daily show you are an irrelevant Democrat. Hell, you barely exist without a healthy does of the daily show SSNeoman posted:Mr. Noah just showed you that they don't. Your spooked voters are in your head.
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May 9, 2017 13:35
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readingatwork posted:Redistricting is fine and all but I worry that ultimately the rich people will just bail to some other wealthy neighborhood in a few years. I think that what we ultimately need is to fund schools equally at the state or federal level and then remove the barriers that prevent poor kids from attending rich schools. That way there's no point in moving since literally every school will have poor/black students. More affordable public housing in rich areas is also a good idea. it's not just about funding. it's getting school populations to reflect the demographics of new york, not split into white schools and black schools. fixing funding isn't enough but yes, a more permanent solution than redistricting is needed. standing in the way of redistricting cause it doesn't permanently solve the problem is racist though, and actually makes finding a better solution less likely
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May 9, 2017 13:37
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senator manchin is getting primaried... by paula jean swearengin! she's great, she's an environmentalist, she's pro universal healthcare, and she wants to improve education and try to bring back jobs to wv by making it able to support new jobs again Paula Swearengin posted:When they started stripmining, I can remember my grandfather saying that he'd bag groceries before he'd blow up mountains. He said it was wrong, and he was a coal miner for 45 years. It's all he ever did. i already like her a lot more than manchin, who tells his constituents he won't represent them
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May 9, 2017 13:53
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May 9, 2017 14:06
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Radish posted:That's going to be interesting to watch. There's definitely a sizable portion of the population who aren't averse to government helping to solve their problems, it's just that Republicans run on the culture war stuff since their donors don't want change and Democrats are paid by the same donors to follow their lead or get replaced.
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May 9, 2017 14:17
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1mPCkDfMhw&t=21s this is paula jean swearengir again, asking bernie for help i really hope she is successful in her senate campaign and she's sitting in the senate with bernie soon 
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May 9, 2017 15:22
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Majorian posted:Is your argument really so weak that you have to set up strawmen this blatant?
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/white-working-class-trump-cultural-anxiety/525771/quote:While the analysis pointed to some interesting patterns around economic status, more research is needed to confirm them. The findings contrast with much of the coverage of the election: People who said their finances are only in fair or poor shape were nearly twice as likely to support Clinton compared to those who feel more economically secure. quote:Although demographic factors like gender, age, geographic region, and religion weren’t statistically significant predictors of who (among the white working class) voted for Trump, some of the other information gathered in the survey offers a portrait of how white working-class Americans feel about their status in the world. Nearly two-thirds of the white working class say American culture has gotten worse since the 1950s. Sixty-eight percent say the U.S. is in danger of losing its identity, and 62 percent say America’s growing number of immigrants threaten the country’s culture. More than half say discrimination against whites has become just as problematic as discrimination against minorities. The base of Trump's support are middle and lower-middle/richer working class people who are afraid of other races People who cared about the economy or worried about being poor voted Clinton
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May 9, 2017 16:04
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shrike82 posted:I didn't realize they were politicians driving the Democrat party but I guess we live in an era where Chapo Trap House is a bastion for the leftist "resistance". "Stop being so mean to Abuelita! Wait, no, never mind, now stop being mean to comedians I like! Talk about politicians - just not Abuelita!  "By the way, I can't imagine there weren't at least a few Latino Americans who found the whole "Abuelita" thing to be incredibly patronizing from the Clinton campaign.
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https://www.prri.org/research/white-working-class-attitudes-economy-trade-immigration-election-donald-trump/quote:Economic hardship. Notably, while only marginally significant at conventional levels (P<0.1), being in fair or poor financial shape actually predicted support for Hillary Clinton among white working-class Americans, rather than support for Donald Trump. Those who reported being in fair or poor financial shape were 1.7 times more likely to support Clinton, compared to those who were in better financial shape. quote:Nearly half (48%) of white working-class Americans say, “things have changed so much that I often feel like a stranger in my own country.” OTOH they don't support deportations: quote:
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May 9, 2017 16:06
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Majorian posted:"Stop being so mean to Abuelita! Wait, no, never mind, now stop being mean to comedians I like! Talk about politicians - just not Abuelita! Yeah it didn't go over great. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/24/us/politics/hillary-clinton-is-not-my-abuela-critics-say.html
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May 9, 2017 16:10
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Typo posted:People who cared about the economy or worried about being poor voted Clinton No, most people who cared about the economy or worried about being poor voted Clinton, not all people. This is in fact an incredibly important difference when the race was as tight as it was, which people keep ignoring for some strange reason. Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 16:17 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 16:14
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IIRC Clinton won among poorer voters just not at the margins you usually expect a Democrat to do so.
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May 9, 2017 16:24
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Kilroy posted:IIRC Clinton won among poorer voters just not at the margins you usually expect a Democrat to do so. Yes this is the case. It's irritating since you see the attitude that she was betrayed by the poor even though as a group they voted for her stronger than other income demographics and Trump is just as bad for everyone who isn't mega rich. It's not like the middle class should get some kind of free pass like they are voting in their own interests.
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May 9, 2017 16:28
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Kilroy posted:IIRC Clinton won among poorer voters just not at the margins you usually expect a Democrat to do so. yeah according to the nyt's exit polls the under 30k income bracket swung 16% to trump from 2012
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May 9, 2017 16:29
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Kilroy posted:IIRC Clinton won among poorer voters just not at the margins you usually expect a Democrat to do so. Raskolnikov38 posted:yeah according to the nyt's exit polls the under 30k income bracket swung 16% to trump from 2012 Saying that Clinton won among poorer voters is a very fishmechian statement insofar that it's technically correct but actively hinders properly understanding of the subject at hand.
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May 9, 2017 16:31
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It's not clear to me that anyone actually reads National Review anymore.
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May 9, 2017 16:36
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:JC: important corrective take btw I can't tell if the graph he's using is a poll aggregate or just the one poll he references in the article. Wang at Princeton reran his analysis taking into account the end of the sampling period of the poll, and still found a substantial effect. http://election.princeton.edu/2016/12/10/the-comey-effect/ quote:May 9th, 2017: I am re-upping this because of the recent column by Nate Silver on this topic. He had previously addressed the topic of Comey, shortly after the election. I thought he did a good job, both then and now. It will be interesting to see what Silver has to say about it. He was quite critical of the NYT's coverage of Comey/emails in his piece on the Comey effect so this could be Cohn playing defense. Or he could be right. https://mobile.twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/861612012283080704 JeffersonClay fucked around with this message at 18:06 on May 9, 2017 |
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May 9, 2017 17:37
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dont even fink about it posted:It's not clear to me that anyone actually reads National Review anymore. Nobody ever read it except college Republicans and liberals who get off on bipartisan consensus. The Republican voter base has never given a gently caress about conservative prestige media
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NewForumSoftware posted:Actually if you don't politically align with the daily show you are an irrelevant Democrat. Hell, you barely exist without a healthy does of the daily show Oh hey congrats on showing your face. I have some fresh crow for you to eat. Turns out you were wrong about Democrats learning nothing from Kansas.
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