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De Gaulle was the ultimate victor of a coup which itself was later on validated through elections. There.
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^^^^^^^^^^^yeah "vote for me it will be like we won the war, also i am not communist" is a really hard offer to beat, electorally. Cat Mattress posted:Nah, the Americans wanted Laval. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 16:22 on May 9, 2017 |
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TheRat posted:I appreciate your point, but those axes makes me want to murder you. The refugee crisis of 2011-2015 is the relevant denominator here which makes it fair play.  But yes otherwise I'd agree
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TheRat posted:I appreciate your point, but those axes makes me want to murder you. Non-zeroed axes are fine in this case since the numbers will never be close to zero anyway and small differences are significant.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Non-zeroed axes are fine in this case since the numbers will never be close to zero anyway and small differences are significant. Then present it as a delta with an initial value and positive/negative axes. They way it's presented now makes it look like a dramatic change, when it isn't (which was the entire point of presenting the data in the first place)
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What kind of pathetic idiot would you have to be to do that?
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R. Mute posted:What kind of pathetic idiot would you have to be to do that? You're being sardonic but yeah, i'm asking the same question; only literally.
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TheRat posted:Then present it as a delta with an initial value and positive/negative axes. They way it's presented now makes it look like a dramatic change, when it isn't (which was the entire point of presenting the data in the first place) I think the point was to show that debt to GDP has in fact been decreasing recently, and for that purpose the axes are fine.
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:You're being sardonic but yeah, i'm asking the same question; only literally.
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R. Mute posted:Nothing sardonic about that question. Then I'm not on point about the meaning of "sardonic". Apologies.
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Ok, ok, you're sardonic already, we get it...
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Valls is such a tool. He always struck me as someone who'd make a mediocre candidate for the presidency in the States.Kurtofan posted:whats your circonscription frenchies I still can't vote (not yet a French citizen), but my companion and I are in the 10th circonscription in the Val-de-Marne. Our député is the former mayor the Kremlin Bicętre, and I couldn't say what it is he stands for. Nominally he's socialist? At any rate I don't know why he wouldn't win, but I'll admit I haven't paid much attention (not having the right to vote, I've tried to not stress myself out too much).
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System Metternich posted:History doesn't lend itself easily to snappy one-liners, especially when you want to draw viable conclusions for the present. Brüning's austerity definitely made the lives of many harder, driving them towards extremist parties. But on the other hand his government, a minority coalition tolerated by the SPD, proved itself to be relatively stable and might have survived the Great Depression (the next elections would have taken place only in 1934) if Brüning and Hindenburg hadn't had a falling-out in 1932 caused by Brüning being supported by Catholics and Social Democrats (both of which Hindenburg hated) as well as by the Osthilfeskandal, a scandal caused by Brüning trying to give parcels of land of bankrupt large landowners to the unemployed which didn't go over well with Hindenburg's noble and land-owning friends at all. Brüning's austerity played a supporting and maybe even important role in Hitler's rise, but in the end it were Hindenburg and von Papen who voluntarily gave him the chancellorship. There is also the fact that the 1920s/1930s austerity in Germany is hardly comparable to the so-called austerity in today's EU, given that no PIGS country is forced to pay reparations amounting to 2-3% of their GDP in a foreign currency for the next 50 years.
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Kurtofan posted:whats your circonscription frenchies Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 17:44 on May 9, 2017 |
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GaussianCopula posted:There is also the fact that the 1920s/1930s austerity in Germany is hardly comparable to the so-called austerity in today's EU, given that no PIGS country is forced to pay reparations amounting to 2-3% of their GDP in a foreign currency for the next 50 years. Which were mostly covered by generous loans received from the United States that were also used to heavily invest in the German economy sparking a swift economic recovery and rapid growth of the German economy in the 1920s. The hyperinflation in the early 1920s were more or less the result of a protest action by the German government against the principle of paying reparations rather than resulting from an inability to pay. Part of the reason Germany was hit so hard by the Great Depression was that it was so heavily tied to the US economy at the time, which left it particularly vulnerable to the crash. These ties to America were also resented by German nationalist parties who despised American capitalism and saw the development as the reduction of Germany to an American satelite state that could never become an independent great power again. I also remember reading somethign about Germany being hard hit when Britain left the gold standard, but can't really remember any details of that.
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Fukken lol at GC literally peddling nazi myths ITT.
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GaussianCopula posted:There is also the fact that the 1920s/1930s austerity in Germany is hardly comparable to the so-called austerity in today's EU, given that no PIGS country is forced to pay reparations amounting to 2-3% of their GDP in a foreign currency for the next 50 years. I would say having to pay in a currency they can't spitefully crash is significantly worse. Also the bulk of the reparations were waived away.
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6e circo du Val-de-Marne, Vincennes-Saint-Mandé-Fontenay represent Surprisingly, our députée is Laurence Abeille, formerly of EELV, but she'll be running without a party affiliation this year because ugh eelv. We hope that Fontenay's inhabitants will help us get a FI député this year but it's a real longshot, especially given Macron's good score in Vincennes and Saint-Mandé. Once more the bourgeoisie is trodding upon the popular will of the proletariat. Sigh. System Metternich posted:Okay, this was a few pages back, but I wanted to adress this talking point not only because it represents a sentiment I've seen cropping up not only here but in other threads as well, but also because it's patently false. Liberals did very decidedly *not* install Hitler, instead a group of conservatives with a deep-seated distrust of democracy did. Hey, thank you for this excellent post and history lesson (not sarcastic). A clarification though: I was not operating under the American definition of the word "liberal" - I was using it as a synonym with economic conservatism and alignment with the interests of the bourgeois class. I certainly do not believe that this ideology has anything to do with attachment to democracy, and while I don't wish to draw anachronistic parallels, Fillon's brand of nationalistic and conservative liberalism echoes the DNVP's ideology, as Macron evokes Brüning, up to the point that he's ready to impose economic policy through decree.
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my deputée is marie george buffet (presidential communist candidate in 2007), i expect her to win again for fi
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Vaucluse's 3rd. Hot niece is my MP.
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Mine's Maizičre, the deputy-mayor of Versailles--but since he can't be both any longer, he's going to give his seat in 2017 to a guy active in La manif pour tous who used to write for Atlantico, Valeurs Actuelles and Le Figaro. 
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:Vaucluse's 3rd. Hot niece is my MP. Just read she's quitting politics.
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you're next mp will be an ugly fash, sorry pinch
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Was on MTV3 pretty sure. Collateral Damage posted:For people with no education it's much better to offer them education than trying to invent "simple" jobs, which only serve to cement their position on the lowest rung of the ladder. They aren't invented jobs. They're the jobs that are available. Cleaning, infrastructure maintenance, recycling and farming.
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https://twitter.com/mathieuvonrohr/status/862014044961722370 Le Pen 3 has been pulled from theaters
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LemonDrizzle posted:Le Pen 3 has been pulled from theaters I hope they don't try a reboot
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Hey French posters. I don't know about French politics due to which I don't comment on it, but why do people here hate both Le Pen (no need to answer) but also Macron (more interested) so much? Macron is some sort of... neoliberal banker? Or what? edit: I gather Macron is some sort of pro-EU dude who wants to cut spending and reduce bureaucracy and introduce labour reforms Ligur fucked around with this message at 20:40 on May 9, 2017 |
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Macron wants to "reform" the labor system and start dismantling the welfare state. So he's basically laying out the red carpet for fascism in five or ten years.
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Fiction posted:Macron wants to "reform" the labor system and start dismantling the welfare state. So he's basically laying out the red carpet for fascism in five or ten years. How is he planning to dismantle the welfare state? What does his program say about that?
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icantfindaname posted:So basically CDU austerity policy caused Hitler? Once again, excellent that our politics works totally different these days
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Ligur posted:Hey French posters. I don't know about French politics due to which I don't comment on it, but why do people here hate both Le Pen (no need to answer) but also Macron (more interested) so much?
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Kurtofan posted:you're next mp will be an ugly fash, sorry pinch Fash gonna fash either way 
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Hollande is the most unpopular president ever and Macron was a senior and influential figure in his government. His victory mainly shows that people are stupid and don't understand politics at all.
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I dunno. It appears as if you, being unable to understand the political dynamics that allowed Macron to step into power, don't understand politics, by definition.
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FFA explain yourself! What is this Communist Party/Mélenchon split I'm hearing about right now? Do you want to look like a bunch of typical leftists? Because that is how you look like a bunch of typical leftists.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Hollande is the most unpopular president ever and Macron was a senior and influential figure in his government. His victory mainly shows that people are stupid and don't understand politics at all. yup
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Edible Hat posted:I dunno. It appears as if you, being unable to understand the political dynamics that allowed Macron to step into power, don't understand politics, by definition. true as well
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:FFA explain yourself! What is this Communist Party/Mélenchon split I'm hearing about right now? sounds like communist party doesn't want to play second fiddle
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Hollande is the most unpopular president ever and Macron was a senior and influential figure in his government. His victory mainly shows that people are stupid and don't understand politics at all. But... he's a maverick with no political experience! His movement is a spontaneous outburst of pro-free market, pro-European feeling!
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