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CelticPredator posted:Art? Making people...feel...emotions? What the hell? I only feel locally sourced, free range emotions, none of those corporate feel$ for me!
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CelticPredator posted:Art? Making people...feel...emotions? What the hell? Welcome to CD my friend. And people wonder why autism jokes keep being made.
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May 10, 2017 00:27
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:You're confusing Star-Lord with the audience. Are people generally afraid their dad will abandon them after he already did so 34 years ago?
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Gyges posted:Since Peter was the result of a quest to create a power boost so Ego could be the galaxy, doesn't that mean that Peter is actually full of light himself and doesn't actually need Ego to be a god? I mean, if you're lacking power, charging up an empty battery sure isn't helping you be more powerful. Only as long as Ego existed/was alive. Otherwise in the end he wouldn't need the inflatabubble space suit. BravestOfTheLamps posted:This thread is about MEEEEEE. Stop. This is SMG's gimmick and you're a bad imitation.
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May 10, 2017 00:43
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CelticPredator posted:Art? Making people...feel...emotions? What the hell? ruddiger is mocking people who imprint emotionally on tent pole blockbusters. GotG2's emotional landscape is poorly developed and immature (like with its attitude to sex). Crying at it is a bit silly. Gyges posted:Are people generally afraid their dad will abandon them after he already did so 34 years ago? Movies tend to have things like themes that resonate with audiences. When a movie is exploring themes like absent parents or fear of manipulation, audiences may find them resonant.
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sean10mm posted:And people wonder why autism jokes keep being made. This is not really something I wonder about.
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One of my friend's is still dealing with losing his father almost four years after the fact and felt pretty strongly affected by it, so I don't blame anybody for crying. But whatever helps you guys feel like the coolest cats around I guess.
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May 10, 2017 01:14
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I haven't seen this movie yet, but I'm gonna cry like a baby at it and still be the coolest motherfucker in the whole wide world.
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May 10, 2017 01:18
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If crying at movies makes you cool, I'm Miles Davis.
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May 10, 2017 01:20
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Detective No. 27 posted:If crying at movies makes you cool, I'm Miles Davis. I just want you to know that I understood that reference and I think you're a cool dude for making it. 
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May 10, 2017 01:24
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Crying owns actually. I definitely teared up at Guardians 1 when Rocket has his breakdown in the bar, and this one had plenty of that towards the end with Yondu's whole "he may have been your father but he wasn't your daddy" line and his space funeral.
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May 10, 2017 01:24
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:ruddiger is mocking people who imprint emotionally on tent pole blockbusters. It's a visceral emotional response. You don't prescreen your emotional response, something works for you or it doesn't. That comes first, the cool logical dissection comes later. Obviously the film did not elicit a similar response from you. That's fine. You can argue why it doesn't work. That's fine. Saying other people are silly for having a different visceral reaction? That makes you a dick. Maxwell Lord fucked around with this message at 01:36 on May 10, 2017 |
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May 10, 2017 01:31
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Roth posted:One of my friend's is still dealing with losing his father almost four years afyer the fact and felt pretty strongly affected by it, so I don't blame anybody for crying. But whatever helps you guys feel like the coolest cats around I guess. Hopefully they can move past and recover from such a loss.
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May 10, 2017 01:39
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The autism thing isn't a joke. BravestOfTheLamps is literally a self-diagnosed 
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Phylodox posted:I only feel locally sourced, free range emotions, none of those corporate feel$ for me! Coporate feels is the perfect descriptor for all the manufactured interpersonal beats in this movie. Yondu's fate is pretty calculated from a franchise perspective, especially when you take into consideration that 1) characters cheat death in comics all the time, and 2) the spirit of Yondu's character is reborn in this very movie in his first mate, similar to Groot's "death" in the first one.
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May 10, 2017 02:15
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All emotional beats in movies are manufactured and calculated.
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May 10, 2017 02:26
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ruddiger posted:Coporate feels is the perfect descriptor for all the manufactured interpersonal beats in this movie. Yondu's fate is pretty calculated from a franchise perspective, especially when you take into consideration that 1) characters cheat death in comics all the time, and 2) the spirit of Yondu's character is reborn in this very movie in his first mate, similar to Groot's "death" in the first one. As opposed to those stories where the emotional beats are unintentional...?
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May 10, 2017 02:36
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You know if they give Starlord his light powers back down the road, it'll kinda suck since Yondu didnt have to die.
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Phylodox posted:All emotional beats in movies are manufactured and calculated. Tarantino wrote the Hateful 8 without any idea of who poisoned the coffee pot and let the movie's plot unfold organically as he wrote it. So no, not all movies, unless you're just being pedantic about the definition of "manufactured," maybe I should've said "manufactured by committee". Also, most movies aren't so transparent as to dial back that emotional beat before the credits are even finished rolling. And you're deluding yourself if you don't think every minuscule detail in this franchise movie wasn't rubber stamped to hell and back by marvel suits all the way til release date.
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If we're not done talking about sex, I have something important that needs clearing up. Early on in the movie, we see Yondu at a brothel with yellow sex robots. Ravagers the around the galaxy love these sex robots - Mushmouth Stallone makes an indeterminate vocalization at the madam, apparently they won't visit them anymore? Anyway, do you think Yondu bought Peter an evening with one of these lady-bots of the night? With familial bonding being a major theme of this movie, I think it's likely.
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May 10, 2017 02:55
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ruddiger posted:Tarantino wrote the Hateful 8 without any idea of who poisoned the coffee pot and let the movie's plot unfold organically as he wrote it. Who cares what committees or calculations went into it? It made people in the audience (as evidenced by people in this thread, including me) feel real feelings, which were organic and not calculated at all. I didn't go into this movies saying "I am going to cry x number of times"
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May 10, 2017 02:59
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I know when I'm watching a movie I have to be super careful to make sure it's not a big-budget Hollywood blockbuster committee movie before I catch them feels, otherwise my entire emotional spectrum is invalidated.
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ruddiger posted:Tarantino wrote the Hateful 8 without any idea of who poisoned the coffee pot and let the movie's plot unfold organically as he wrote it. Yeah but he presumably at some point edited the script he had written, and in that time made the calculated call to keep that the same. Hot today, cold tomorrow, that's how writing works. And that's before the stages of preparing, shooting, and editing the film, all of which were filled with opportunities to change his mind. Sure, Yondu's death is a bit heavily foreshadowed. But there was enough going on otherwise that I wasn't sure until pretty late in the climax that it was going to take place. We've spent enough time with him to grow to like him as a character and to understand how Peter would come to view him as his true father, and to lose two fathers at once is pretty brutal.
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Also keep in mind I actually loved Yondu (well, I love Michael Rooker's portrayal), and it was sad that he died, but only in the sense that ALL DADS DIE. That's life. It was a foregone conclusion in the eyes of the movie that he had to die, but in keeping with the Mighty Marvel tradition, he had to be reborn as well, both in look (the ravager now wearing Yondu's mohawk), and role (Peter becoming Groot's surrogate parental figure in the credits), and he'll no doubt be reborn a third time by the obligatory Rooker cameo in the next one, the movie's not subtle about any of this. ruddiger fucked around with this message at 03:28 on May 10, 2017 |
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ruddiger posted:Discussing and deconstructing themes of fatherhood is fine and dare I say good, blubbering like a baby at "Quill has a dad just like me! He played catch! Like a dad! Which made me cry!" is empty cheerleading for an idea put forth with no critical thought behind it. Most people going to the movies aren't critics. They are there to enjoy the movie.
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ruddiger posted:Coporate feels is the perfect Type of thing to come out of the mouth of someone that needs their shirt pulled up over the head while people kick them in the rear end for 5 minutes? Yes. Yes it is.
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I'm glad this movie is antisex because sex actually is bad and wrong. It will sit beside Minions on my shelf of Acceptable media.
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Mulva posted:Type of thing to come out of the mouth of someone that needs their shirt pulled up over the head while people kick them in the rear end for 5 minutes? Hahahaha You actually want someone to get beaten up because they didn't like Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 09:00 on May 10, 2017 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Hahahaha I think you'll find I've spent nearly all my time making fun of people for who they are rather than their criticisms of the movie 
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Maxwell Lord posted:Sure, Yondu's death is a bit heavily foreshadowed. But there was enough going on otherwise that I wasn't sure until pretty late in the climax that it was going to take place. We've spent enough time with him to grow to like him as a character and to understand how Peter would come to view him as his true father, and to lose two fathers at once is pretty brutal. It is fitting that in a movie about that's nominally about the worth of outcasts and scum of the galaxy, the only real outcasts and scum of the galaxy all die. Mulva posted:I think you'll find I've spent nearly all my time making fun of people for who they are rather than their criticisms of the movie Well yes, that's what makes it doubly pathetic.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Well yes, that's what makes it doubly pathetic. Would you like to post a grainy photo of Man of Steel about it?
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What do you think about GotG and GotG2? I find them very lacking, especially how they don't look very funny despite being very visually-oriented comedies.   Or that when dramatic, they don't look very dramatic:  
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Neither of those images is particularly comedic, it's what happens after in Hitchhiker's that is the funny bit of that scene. Meanwhile the other is GotG being an action movie for a bit, seeing as it is an action comedy, it's not meant to be a comedic scene. It's meant to be Yondu is actually really dangerous and this scene shows it.
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It's a movie, the comedy comes from what the characters say and do. If you want an example of visual comedy shot though, that would be the "700 jumps" sequence.
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Holy cats this discussion is boring and has been done to death. You've even used the same image. loving hell.
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Hodgepodge posted:I haven't really seen or heard of a positive depiction of functioning sexuality in any of the Marvel films, in what I've seen and heard, it's an uncomfortable, disruptive force at best. I'd be open to counter-examples, though, because there's plenty of films I just haven't seen. I think it's just there's no need for romance-based sex scenes in PG-13 action movies. Frankly there's no need for sex scenes in most R rated action movies that have them, just gratuitous romance plots that drive you up a loving wall. Something like Fury Road would not have been improved by Max shagging Furosia, and that's what most of that poo poo ends up being. The best ones do a little bit of tension at most, and leave it at that. It's not true for every story, and it's a lot more addressed in the slightly grittier Netflix series where you're following the characters for a longer period of time. And there's been plenty of examples in the movies, too. It's just that it's never been a shoehorned in thing, and I in no way can fault them for that. Leave the romance/sex scenes for places they're appropriate and don't bother with them in places they're really unnecessary.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:What do you think about GotG and GotG2? I find them very lacking, especially how they don't look very funny despite being very visually-oriented comedies. I have no idea what random screengrabs are supposed to prove. I mean, people would tell you Caddyshack is funny, but does this look funny to you?  What a bunch of hacks; you call that a comedy classic?
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PostNouveau posted:I have no idea what random screengrabs are supposed to prove. GotG movies are unimpressive past the immediate observation that they're colourful and sometimes pretty. Hitch-Hiker's for example shows how forgettable GotG 1&2 are for massive sci-fi adventure extravaganzas. The reaction that visuals don't matter is predictable. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 11:46 on May 10, 2017 |
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