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Meme Emulator posted:Theres no way Ann knew that harming a cognition wouldnt harm the person in the real world yet. That was insanely risky. I phrased it poorly. The thing she murdered was the Ann in the bikini, not Kamoshida himself.
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Harrow posted:Like, she has a pseudo-Persona? What's up with that? I don't think we've ever seen something like that in the series before, someone basically halfway being awakened but not quite. Moltrey posted:Persona 3 sort of touched on it where Strega needed experiential drugs to summon their Personas and werent able to be summoned too well. The girl Junpei liked would instantly start getting strangled by her Persona whenever she summoned hers. I feel like there's another instance because that concept of Haru's persona not being solidified yet wasn't weird to me There's another instance of it in Persona 4 Arena - Labrys, like Aigis, was developed as a weapon system capable of using a Persona. Their development process for her involved having her fight and destroy other test models like herself while also spending some free time with other test models. She eventually developed her own personality, but her creators only ever thought of her as a tool and treated her as such. Her final test before being declared complete was to kill one of the test models she'd grown close to as a friend, and then afterwards, the scientists decided they were going to delete all of her memories that didn't have anything to do with her combat performance (notably, they didn't explicitly tell her this... they just talked about it in front of her like she wasn't even there). The trauma of being forced to kill her sisters, not being recognized as a person despite having and displaying a will and desires of her own, and finally learning they were going to take away her memories caused her to partially awaken her Persona and attempt to escape the development facility.
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May 10, 2017 18:09
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darealkooky posted:People like these? They felt like the most hamfisted romance novel tier bullshit to me. the equivalent slinks for the male protagonist are actually some of my favorite dating slinks in the series because you just kinda hang out and gradually they start to like you (instead of a link that's almost entirely the same until you make an arbitrary "pls be GF" choice near the end, like 4/5, it actually felt like a relationship that progressed in a natural way). Meanwhile the female ones are all about how awesome and special you are & you've completely changed my life by existing and picking responses as I monologue at you main character chan junpei isn't even mad at you, he feels lesser about himself because for a while, he's the only active male in S.E.E.S and his large ego makes him feel like he should be respected in the group more because of his gender so him hanging out with you is a good arc of him mellowing out and being your friend
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May 10, 2017 18:18
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Speaking of Palace 3, is there any way to get to the safe room before the midboss? It always weird how the game gives the "we need to be careful and attack" prompt when you try to enter the hallway with a saferoom. I imagine it was suppose to be used before that fight as there is another safe room immediately after that fight.
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May 10, 2017 18:48
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:I phrased it poorly. The thing she murdered was the Ann in the bikini, not Kamoshida himself. No I mean, we the player know that cognitions arent real people because of the earlier scene with Ryuji and Morgana and the slaves in the castle. But ann didnt know that. She swung a sword at herself and killed herself. She had no idea that wouldn't kill her.
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May 10, 2017 18:50
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Meme Emulator posted:No I mean, we the player know that cognitions arent real people because of the earlier scene with Ryuji and Morgana and the slaves in the castle. But ann didnt know that. She swung a sword at herself and killed herself. She had no idea that wouldn't kill her. I don't think Ann noticed that was her. She only commented about the fake the second time you see it before the Kaneshiro boss fight.
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May 10, 2017 18:52
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Meme Emulator posted:No I mean, we the player know that cognitions arent real people because of the earlier scene with Ryuji and Morgana and the slaves in the castle. But ann didnt know that. She swung a sword at herself and killed herself. She had no idea that wouldn't kill her. Ann was about to incinerate Kamoshida knowing it would have killed him and not a human alive would convict her
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May 10, 2017 18:53
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Moltrey posted:Who cares, Ann doesn't give a gently caress Im just sayin it was risky! Ive always got a morbid train of thought running when I see things like that though. It would be a sorta funny scene if the metaverse worked differently and killing a cognition was like killing a shadow and Ann just dropped dead after running Princess Ann through
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Meme Emulator posted:Im just sayin it was risky!
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Moltrey posted:it's cool actually that in a setting marred with the reminder of death and despair, a bubbly girl hanging out with everyone makes them feel better and appreciative of her being there. this is worlds better than the dour grey paste that is the persona 3 protagonist just kinda standing next to people as they talk about their problems. drop the false equivalence, slinks are the exact same ``just kinda standing next to people as they talk about their problems`` in either game & watching P3 protagonist stop being such a sad sack in spite of his extremely lovely circumstances in order to connect with and cheer up others is way more interesting than a sociopath who smiles all the time for no reason and is okay with dating middle schoolers. also P3P`s version of fortune can go gently caress itself, making ryoji look the exact same makes negative sense & is only the case because people wanted to date that character and making it a mysterious girl instead would require them to rewrite too much ROFL Octopus posted:by the way, if you're insanely masochistic and love bad mechanics, you can still set the AI in P3P to auto, it just has smarter AI.
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May 10, 2017 19:09
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May 10, 2017 19:11
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WhiteHowler posted:I've seen mentions of getting the "true" ending.  Harrow posted:I think the thing with "beep boop" is that you're still early in your friendship with Makoto so it's probably not the time to be ribbing her yet. I liked that Haru's reaction on, like, day 1 of her S-Link to the joke response is, "Oh, that's a joke. I like jokes  "
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May 10, 2017 19:14
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People with positive dispositions make me v mad, ama
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May 10, 2017 19:34
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WhiteHowler posted:I've seen mentions of getting the "true" ending. Guide to getting the true ending: Don't be a narc.
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May 10, 2017 20:02
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LuiCypher posted:Guide to getting the true ending: Also: gently caress The Man, in whichever form He takes shape.
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May 10, 2017 20:10
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About endings: I liked the Good Ending a bit more than True because you get to be batman and Akira's smirk. Ofc it's not the intended result but being a irl superhero/villain is much cooler than going back to your hometown. Romance in P4/5: I never felt any of the romances worked well in as in this is a Good Idea other than gotta collect 'em all aspect. Even my favorite character Naoto ruined her final ranks and I ended up being friends because I forgot the proper choices. Lol, asking people to be your GF in the last 2 ranks is awk as hell even if you have Debonair charm. Hence I don't understand the reasoning you how players request the main plot changes elements if you're dating or not. Hence I'm always iffy if they make dating canon because they will mess up the SL more often than not. On the flip side, I did like how the declined options were less terrible than "Leave room" compared to P4. About Futuba: I didn't complete her SL yet but she acts much younger than 15 and is a complete recluse so it felt uncomfortable to date her since we're her 1st friend in a long time. She reminds me of myself too much but yeah cognitive dissonance.
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May 10, 2017 20:36
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Alder posted:About endings: I liked the Good Ending a bit more than True because you get to be batman and Akira's smirk. Ofc it's not the intended result but being a irl superhero/villain is much cooler than going back to your hometown. I wouldn't call it a good ending. To illustrate, where are the rest of the Phantom Thieves?
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May 10, 2017 22:11
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LuiCypher posted:I wouldn't call it a good ending. To illustrate, where are the rest of the Phantom Thieves? Oops, I thought they were at the hideout. I also expected to see Akechi in one of the jail cells but there's always the remake.
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May 10, 2017 22:29
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Alder posted:About endings: I liked the Good Ending a bit more than True because you get to be batman and Akira's smirk. Ofc it's not the intended result but being a irl superhero/villain is much cooler than going back to your hometown. I don't really think it's much of a good ending when to get it you need to bargain with an evil God who represents everything you've been fighting against, in order to get total societal control. Stooping to the same level of all the lovely adults in the world. Also, the true ending is good because it's a road trip and road trips are incredibly cool.
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May 10, 2017 22:44
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Yaldy's ending is giving up your ideals and any chance of actually changing anything ever to gloryhog. You're basically Goro.
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May 10, 2017 22:46
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I like the true ending because I like to think your friends are just moving in with you now, and you're gonna rent an apartment and be roomies 4 lyfe. Just so long as MC doesn't move back in with his scummy parents, because gently caress them.
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May 10, 2017 22:59
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Deified Data posted:I like the true ending because I like to think your friends are just moving in with you now, and you're gonna rent an apartment and be roomies 4 lyfe. Just so long as MC doesn't move back in with his scummy parents, because gently caress them. I mean They aren't really scummy? He went to the only school that could take him after his arrest, it really isn't their fault it was so far away. And once his name is cleared they want him to move back home to his actual life he lived for 16 years before the assault happened. That's... not really unreasonable or uncommon. Also they're literally non-entities in the story so trying to assign any character to them is weird
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Zore posted:I mean They aren't really scummy? He went to the only school that could take him after his arrest, it really isn't their fault it was so far away. And once his name is cleared they want him to move back home to his actual life he lived for 16 years before the assault happened. That's... not really unreasonable or uncommon. I think the fact that they are complete non-entities is what makes them seem so bad, even if it is a narrative trope, the fact that you don't hear from them at all makes it seem like they don't care. At least in Persona 4 they were out of the country the whole time. This is actually why I think the parents in Earthbound are some of the most memorable characters in the game
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May 10, 2017 23:06
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The game really encourages the player to see the Sakura's as Joker's family and that combined with how the majority of adults in the game are lovely and bad makes it pretty easy for players to have a bad opinion of Joker's family. And that's fair I suppose. I doubt they're actively awful but considering they dropped him off with a complete stranger and left him to his own devices they don't seem to care too much about the guy if we're just looking at the information presented in the game. Either way though, Joker's just headed home to complete school and then he's going straight back to Tokyo to take over Leblanc and that is obviously and clearly canon.
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Walrus Pete posted:Replace Mishima with Mysterious Fox imo Don't change anything else about the game, just straight up replace Mishima's character with a fox. "Ain't nothing in the rulebook that says a [fox] can't play [volleyball]." Also Kamoshida is now also guilty of animal abuse. That monster.
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Motto posted:Yaldy's ending is giving up your ideals and any chance of actually changing anything ever to gloryhog. You're basically Goro. I thought Goro was REVENGE on his father and society? For a rival we didn't really clash enough in the game. Oh well. Alright, so it's not a Good Ending but it's the semi-realistic ending once you think about it. It's cool that you can change a small aspect of society for the better but it's incredibly idealistic to say it's a HUGE improvement overall. I admit I'm biased since I'm in the USA and life under Trump has made me even more cynical. Deified Data posted:I like the true ending because I like to think your friends are just moving in with you now, and you're gonna rent an apartment and be roomies 4 lyfe. Just so long as MC doesn't move back in with his scummy parents, because gently caress them. I don't have any specific feels wrt to Akira's parents other than Anime. I'm under the impression they're OK people just not really involved but still want the best for their son. Also, Sojiro is acting as a probation officer so it's not like he's a complete stranger in Tokyo. I leave you with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT8w7fwG808
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I don't know how realistic (engame spoilers)that ending is considering it involves basically mind-altering all criminals and authority figures through magical abilities and having the public mindlessly agree with all of it probably due to the influence of the powerful God you struck a deal with. Not that the True Ending is super realistic either since you shoot a metaphorical representation of societal sloth and apathy in the skull. But the end result of the people of Tokyo becoming less apathetic and starting to think for themselves isn't the most far-fetched thing.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:The game really encourages the player to see the Sakura's as Joker's family and that combined with how the majority of adults in the game are lovely and bad makes it pretty easy for players to have a bad opinion of Joker's family. And that's fair I suppose. Shujin was the only school willing to take him. And frankly, while dropping everything in their hometown and moving to Tokyo for a year would be a pretty pro move on their part, it's also extremely unfeasible. You'd have to find a place to live, maybe get a new job if you can't work from home... I've also heard what I suspect are baseless rumors that Joker's parents are going through a divorce, though I haven't seen anything supporting that in the game proper.
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Even if your son had to transfer hours away, you could like, call him or see that he's alive and not arrested for being a nasty crimeboy. There's not even a point where Sojiro goes "Your parents called" or "What are your parents going to say about this." They're not even real imo
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Should of let you call home at night for Kindness points and maybe some cash.
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BearDrivingTruck posted:Shujin was the only school willing to take him. And frankly, while dropping everything in their hometown and moving to Tokyo for a year would be a pretty pro move on their part, it's also extremely unfeasible. You'd have to find a place to live, maybe get a new job if you can't work from home... Yeah that rumor has no basis I think. And I meant more that his family doesn't try to check up on him or anything, and although that can easily be explained as something that's ignored for the sake of the game, but people probably ain't going to be thinking about that while playing. So I think assuming Joker's parents ain't that great is a pretty understandable conclusion to reach. Though I just kinda assumed they're distant rather than actually bad people or anything.
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You could have had your mom call you and ask you if you've been getting enough sleep all the time
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:This is actually why I think the parents in Earthbound are some of the most memorable characters in the game
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I mean, what would having the parents talk to him on screen accomplish? They are plot devices more than characters. And that's totally fine since the game is already juggling an enormous cast and has you interacting/connecting with a father figure as a major part of the plot. Having them as well would be completely extraneous and wouldn't add poo poo to the story. Its also a deliberate thematic thing to have your game start with Joker having a clean slate of an empty room and no connections that you, the player, fill up over the course of the game.
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Zore posted:I mean, what would having the parents talk to him on screen accomplish? Actual Answer: almost all of the party members have some connection to their parents that's responsible as to who they are and why they're seeking rebellion. Joker not having them is weird
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Strangely, in a game about lovely adults most of the party's parents are described as being good people. Ryuji and Haru's dads excepted.
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when you hear that Joker's been stealing hearts since like the fifth grade
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Moltrey posted:Joke Answer: to say they exist Joker's a silent protagonist and player surrogate. He has implied character, but trying to create familial relations that the player doesn't feel they define doesn't work as well. Entirely because they take place outside the scope of the game is outside the scope of that. You build your relationship with everyone from the ground up because its putting the Player into the game world. Having preexisting stuff complicates that. If he had a more defined character, sure. But as it is I don't think it works. Hell we have like four or five defined, canon, actions and thoughts all Jokers have and people still reject some of them see the dumb 'Joker was masterminding the whole game to get back at Shido' theory when we literally see his thoughts and he doesn't know who Shido is until October. Zore fucked around with this message at 00:06 on May 11, 2017 |
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Zore posted:I mean, what would having the parents talk to him on screen accomplish?  Maybe we can have them send emails to Akira asking about how his classes are coming along? No one called Yu over the entirety of P4 and I'm OK with that. Also, 1 yr isn't that long compared to real life people never seeing their family for years because of work.
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