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Orv posted:Some review some years ago pointed out that literally none of the dialogue wouldn't be at all racially problematic (just poo poo) if they hadn't decided every single person on the planet was black. I'd love to know which came first, the racism or the really bad idea. I looked it up and the story was originally pitched by the same writer who did the racist episode of SG-1, so yeah the racism was there from the beginning.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I looked it up and the story was originally pitched by the same writer who did the racist episode of SG-1, so yeah the racism was there from the beginning. I was going to look up the writer and make a joke about some other script they wrote being antisemitic but then I saw the SG-1 episode you were talking about was called Emancipation and it was dealing with Carter being sold as a love slave by the not-Mongols.
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I think Code of Honor was supposed to have an Japanese themed society but not necessarily all Asian actors. It kind of got out of hand after that.
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May 10, 2017 22:09
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Sir Lemming posted:Yeah, I'll never understand people who really, really liked the interstitials. I honestly thought the interstitials were good because they gave you a break from the movie, and fleshed out some personality for the commentary voices.
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Evek posted:I think Code of Honor was supposed to have an Japanese themed society but not necessarily all Asian actors. It kind of got out of hand after that. Japanese, eh? I'll give you one guess who came up with that idea. 
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Picard's red and grey jacket was rad, but this? Ehhhhhh. https://twitter.com/ANOVOS/status/862354599797112833
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I was all about Star Wars - Babylon 5 - Farscape growing up so I didn't watch too much Trek. I saw all the movies, some random TNG episodes, the first few seasons of Deep Space Nine (which was great but a B5 ripoff at the time), 2 Voyager episodes an uncle threw on a VHS for me, and all of Enterprise. I'm bingeing the original series on netflix now to see how far I get with the franchise. I'm a few episodes into season 3 so far. Here's some unoriginal thoughts: - The show is mostly dumb but Kirk, Spock and McCoy are legit great. I'm surprised at how little Sulu, Chekhov and Uhura have to do since they'd reached iconic status in my head. I can see why Nichelle wanted to quit before MLK talked her out of it. - It's weird seeing Chekhov as young comic relief after seeing him for a few seasons of Bester on B5. - I haven't noticed Sulu say "Oh my!" yet but its funny that the show has found multiple opportunities for him to run around shirtless with a sword. - The season 2 finale backdoor pilot, was that inspired by Avengers (british)/Dr Who? I haven't checked how the years work out but it sure felt like it. - Half of the fun is wiki'ing the guest stars after each episode to see what became of them in the last 50 years. - I was amused to see a few of the godlike beings were retconned into Q members - Also weird that most of the movies were sequels or retakes on original series episodes. Old earth satellite turned into doomsday weapon, khan part 1, several time travel trips to 19xx Earth, multiple godlike beings, and so on. - Does the barrier around the galaxy get referenced in the movies or the newer series? I don't remember it at all though it has been a while. I think I checked memory alpha when it first showed up and it got retconned to be the Q Continuum at it again in some post-TNG novels. - The klingons look worse every appearance, I just finished the one where they were all wearing almost blackface in spray-on tans for the episode where the energy alien pits humans vs klingons to feed on their aggression. - I'm disappointed the graphics were updated, I'd rather see the original 60s fx. I think both versions are on the blu ray but it isn't worth going back for them now.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:oh my god so many posts in a row Jesus, ever heard of Twitter?
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Timby posted:Jesus, ever heard of Twitter? Isn't that the thing Trump uses?
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Timby posted:Jesus, ever heard of Twitter? I enjoyed it. Judging by what has happened to Twitter and how much money it actually makes (nega-money) we need to replace it as soon as possible anyway.
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dont even fink about it posted:I enjoyed it. Judging by what has happened to Twitter and how much money it actually makes (nega-money) we need to replace it as soon as possible anyway. Blatherchat. Imagine Twitter, but everyone's anonymous and all your posts are abstract recreations of previous people's posts. Together we can make it a reality, and make millions
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Orv posted:Some review some years ago pointed out that literally none of the dialogue wouldn't be at all racially problematic (just poo poo) if they hadn't decided every single person on the planet was black. I'd love to know which came first, the racism or the really bad idea. Supposedly that wasn't written into the script and was done by the casting director after a misunderstanding of some kind, and then on shooting day it was too late to change, they were on a schedule. Shrug. Version one of the script had the people on the planet as Lizardman Aliens, which would've made it a lot goofier but way less awful too.
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vermin posted:I was going to look up the writer and make a joke about some other script they wrote being antisemitic but then I saw the SG-1 episode you were talking about was called Emancipation and it was dealing with Carter being sold as a love slave by the not-Mongols. That can't be right... *Googles* Guess who has a kidnapping kink?
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Despite Kathryn Powers' weird race-kidnapping kink, she apparently laid the groundwork for Garak, so I'll count it as a net positive.
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dont even fink about it posted:I enjoyed it. Judging by what has happened to Twitter and how much money it actually makes (nega-money) we need to replace it as soon as possible anyway. I'm sure there's a Star Trek-themed Mastodon instance out there.
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Gonz posted:Picard's red and grey jacket was rad, but this? Ehhhhhh. Suddenly all those "Cruise Ship Enterprise" jokes seemed a lot more apt. Also, re: Code of Honor, I think the casting fuckup is actually quite revealing. Basically, there are a shitload of Trek stories that play with old racist adventure serial tropes of noble savages, violent primitives, and "white slavery" (see also: the Klingons, Ferengi), but Code is really mostly notable because they accidentally turned the subtext into text. Paradise Syndrome, the "I am Kirok" episode with the Indians, is the same thing with native americans and Turnabout Intruder and Angel One do it to that species known as "females." The Space Irish in TNG and holodeck Irish in Voyager are awful in the same way and I think in each case it reveals the underlying fogy-isms and cultural obliviousness at the core of Trek. There's a long tradition of hiding offensive stereotypes and retrograde social politics between flimsy "alien" masks and when those masks come off we're all justifiably horrified. Therefor, I have to reject the notion that Code of Honor is only racist because of its casting. Rather, it was always racist, but the casting just made it impossible to overlook.
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I watched it earlier after it was so wonderfully cataloged, and that review I remembered is essentially right. The dialogue is hammy, and stupid, and is definitely indicative of what the Starfleet people consider to be a backwards/pre-modern society, but that in itself doesn't have to be racist. The casting is absolutely what throws it into slow train wreck territory, instead of simply being phenomenally bad television. If as noted, the original intent was a Japanese society, then yeah, absolutely it's hosed from the ground up. Lizard people? Not so much.
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May 11, 2017 02:59
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At least in the SG-1 episode Carter gets to win a knife fight.
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Hey, Worst Character Tasha Yar wins a... cross-fit fight?
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And seriously... you're gonna name the alien female Yareena when Yar is also central to the plot? Just sloppy all the way around.
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Another thing about "Code of Honor" is when they do the fight, the guy says ; "The rules are known; let combat continue until there is a victor. It will not be interrupted." Then right after that he interrupts the fight when Yareena loses her weapon. Keep in mind, he wants her to lose, it's why he is doing it. Plus, they have a plan in place to save Yareena's life, but don't give a poo poo about the innocent guy who is killed accidentally from the same poison. They have a cure and are waiting to use it. You'd think they wouldn't want anyone to die but nope, just Yareena. His life isn't worth saving
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Sash! posted:VAK-SEEN Crisp and clean, no vaccine. Never had it, never will.
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:Another thing about "Code of Honor" is when they do the fight, the guy says ; You wear the hammer pants, you're taking your life into your own hands.
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Trip report: DS9 Season 1, episode 16 "The Forsaken" If you had asked me when I remembered this episode taking place, I would've sworn it was season 3 or later. Guess that shows what 20+ years does to the memory. Lwaxana always irritates me to some degree, but I recognize that's intended, and she is a good character, partly because of it. Sort of like Q or Bester. Majel seems to have a great deal of fun playing the role, and that helps too. Conversely I thought this wasn't a great Odo episode. I recognize he's private and all, but he felt out of character for most of the episode, although I can't quite put my finger on why. All the individual elements seem to be there. The A plot with the computer thing was like a weak TNG rehash (as usual so far), totally mediocre and forgettable.
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Orv posted:You wear the hammer pants, you're taking your life into your own hands. The Ligonians are actually a human colony that's grown up independent of the Federation. But their entire historical and media database was destroyed except for a pristine copy of Kazaam starring Shaquille O'Neal We could've lived in the timeline where Space Africa was as fleshed out and ever present as the Klingons or Vulcans.
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Frakes looks so terrible with a 5 o'clock goatee in Insurrection how have I never noticed that, goddamn.
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Rhyno posted:At first I got my Archer's screwed up. Exactly the same? "Forget diplomatic protocol, this dog's awesome!" "Hey dude, I'm not the one who got knocked up by a lady." "T'Pol T'Pol. We're tied up together there's no point squirming to get free....wait actually keep doing it." "Good news we found the cure to your plague like we promised. But I decided I hate you and I want you to die, so" *throws it into the sun, scoots away at Warp 5*
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Orv posted:Frakes looks so terrible with a 5 o'clock goatee in Insurrection how have I never noticed that, goddamn. But Troi had never* kissed him with a beard before! *kissed him quite a bit though.
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So I'm way late for the last round of discussion about how the Enterprise theme song sucked, but I had an idea last time it came up that I finally put together during a lazy morning yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=839GLhTnCkA I figured if they're going to use a ballad, they may as well use a good one that's thematically related to, you know, space and stuff.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:So I'm way late for the last round of discussion about how the Enterprise theme song sucked, but I had an idea last time it came up that I finally put together during a lazy morning yesterday: Sorta sad that I can't find an HD version of this, which I always thought was great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b83_IqWT2Rw
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Just started watching DS9 on Netflix after putting it off forever. Holy poo poo, is Bashir the fuckboy to end all fuckboys.
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PMush Perfect posted:Just started watching DS9 on Netflix after putting it off forever. Holy poo poo, is Bashir the fuckboy to end all fuckboys. He's awful in the first season. He gets better, though ... until they slap a bizarre retcon on him.
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Timby posted:He's awful in the first season. He gets better, though ... until they slap a bizarre retcon on him.
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TNG's first-season finale feels like something a Trekkie would write: the mysterious pointy-eared race unseen since Kirk's day returns, are they friend or foe??, with 'oh you foolish 21st century freezer geezers, we have no use for your primitive 'teevee' here in the 24th century  ' as the B-plot.
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so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
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Drone posted:Bashir's dad is the most realistic character in all of Star Trek. I love that in the 24th century a pilot cum small-time architect is considered a failure. What a nice world.
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