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hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
I don't think I ever had bad hot pot, but the best hot pot I ever had was donkey meat hot pot at the donkey restaurant.

They also made donkey blood rice in a stone pot, both were phenomenal.

天上龙肉
地上驴肉

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Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010

Efexeye posted:

it's telling how there are so few 'after' pictures of the deliciously-carpaccio-seeming meat actually cooked. it's waterlogged, skinny sliced beef with all the fat rendered out. the plate i posted? each piece results in one bite.

the promise is



the reality is

You shouldn't just dump them all in together. They get overcooked that way. You are supposed to take them one at a time and swish them around until they are just barely cooked, then dip them in sauce and eat with some rice.

Efexeye posted:

at least at the one i ate at, you got individual pots of water, they said health code wouldn't allow one big pot for everyone to marinate their chopsticks and poo poo in, maybe that's the difference
They are probably lying about this. Some places give individual pots, others have people share in groups of 2 - 4, and some even have a big, round table with one big pot for up to like 12 people. I've been to all of these types in California. It's just the style that restaurant chooses.

bring back old gbs posted:

idk what the hell i thought it was now. I honestly thought it was a cast iron pan over a heat source with a suuuuuper shallow layer of oil and u barely touch the meat to the oil to cook it, just for like a second.


but the google image pics are like:

and u soak the stuff in it and it doesnt even look hot enough to cook ur stuff, though im sure it is
There's a version of sukiyaki that's like that, with the thin layer of oil that you carefully cook the meat on. I've never seen it in the US, though.

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

hakimashou posted:

I don't think I ever had bad hot pot, but the best hot pot I ever had was donkey meat hot pot at the donkey restaurant.

They also made donkey blood rice in a stone pot, both were phenomenal.

天上龙肉
地上驴肉

天上龍拳
地上馿拳

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

P-Mack posted:

天上龍拳
地上馿拳

:vince:

NLJP
Aug 26, 2004


You have a broth and you put in veg by cooking time (also tofu skin etc) then when it's cooked to a delicious broth you dip the meat in briefly and eat, alternating with veg and soup.

It's not that hard a concept and can be lovely, sure but mostly is great (this was Zhejiang style).

A lot of the time it's also offal and beak etc though so it was always fun to do some sleight-of-chopstick to pretend you never picked up that uvula or whatever the gently caress.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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The New York Times posted:

BEIJING — For weeks, the mixed martial arts fighter Xu Xiaodong had been taunting masters of the traditional Chinese martial arts, dismissing them as overly commercialized frauds, and challenging them to put up or shut up.

After one of them — Wei Lei, a practitioner of the “thunder style” of tai chi — accepted the challenge, Mr. Xu flattened him in about 10 seconds.

Mr. Xu may have proved his point, but he was unprepared for the ensuing outrage.

When video of the drubbing went viral, many Chinese were deeply offended by what they saw as an insult to a cornerstone of traditional Chinese culture.

The state-run Chinese Wushu Association posted a statement on its website saying the fight “violates the morals of martial arts.” The Chinese Boxing Association issued similar criticism. Continue reading the main story

An article by Xinhua, the state news agency, called Mr. Xu a “crazy guy,” saying that the fight had caused people to question whether Chinese martial arts were of any use and even to ask, “What exactly are traditional Chinese martial arts?”

The reaction has been so furious that Mr. Xu has gone into hiding.
“I’ve lost everything, my career and everything,” he said in a message circulating online. “I think many people misunderstand me. I’m fighting fraudulence, but now I’ve become the target.”

Many people around the world assumed that this debate had long been settled. Mixed martial arts fighters have for years held exhibition fights against practitioners of traditional martial arts — kung fu, karate and judo among them. The old ways, for all their balletic grace, lost decisively.

Known broadly as wushu, traditional Chinese martial arts include such disparate disciplines as qigong, categorized as an “internal” practice that is mostly spiritual, and kung fu, an “external” art that is practiced by the monks of the Shaolin Temple and was popularized around the world by Bruce Lee. There are hundreds of styles of wushu in China, and many overlap.

Tai chi, while a martial art, is viewed by many today as a spiritual breathing and balance exercise enjoyed by people of all ages, usually performed in slow motion in a quiet park instead of a fight ring.

Mixed martial arts, or M.M.A., is a “no-holds-barred” fighting style developed over the last century from fighting styles around the world. It began to gain popularity in the United States in the 1980s. While it is violent, it does have rules — including no biting, spitting or gouging.

The fight between Mr. Xu and Mr. Wei was brutal. As Mr. Wei circled slowly, arms outstretched in a calm tai chi defense, Mr. Xu lunged, jabbed him to the floor, then used a “ground and pound” technique to subdue him. It was all over in about 10 seconds.

Mr. Xu did not respond to a request for an interview sent to his personal Weibo account a few days after the fight on April 27. Shortly afterward, his account was taken down as the authorities rushed to try to tamp down the controversy.
A woman reached by telephone at the Battle Club in southeast Beijing, where Mr. Xu works, said he was not giving interviews. She declined to give her name.

On Wednesday morning, the door of the Battle Club, in the dingy basement of a high-rise, was locked. Photographs of Mr. Xu and other M.M.A. fighters decorated the walls of the stairwell.

An electrician lingering by a cigarette shop at the top of the stairs said he practiced wushu and had come to check out the club after hearing about the controversy. He said that Mr. Xu had been right to pose his challenge, even though it had infuriated people.

“No one can avoid fighting,’’ said the man, who gave only his surname, Lian, and a social media username, Ruyi.

He said defenders of the traditional martial arts were incensed that Mr. Xu had dared to say that they staged impressive performances but were ineffective fighters and that, by doing so, he had threatened their livelihoods.
Yet Mr. Xu’s ultra-aggressive assault on his tai chi rival had missed an important point, Mr. Lian added.

“The key difference between what Mr. Xu does and martial arts is that martial arts isn’t a competitive sport,’’ he said. “It’s not about really hurting. It’s about giving your opponent ‘face.’ And Mr. Xu’s style is about beating your opponent to near death.”

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010
5000 year history of getting your rear end kicked and crying about it

Moonshine Rhyme
Mar 26, 2010

Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate

Fojar38 posted:

saying that the fight had caused people to question whether Chinese martial arts were of any use and even to ask, “What exactly are traditional Chinese martial arts?” 


A definitive quote

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Efexeye posted:

i live in the LA area and had a buddy who I took for revolving sushi and korean bbq so he thought we'd try his favorite, shabu-shabu. I'm with Haier, man, $95 for dinner for 3 people and you walk out still hungry?

guess it's different in china

Shabu shabu in Korea is like $15 a person for a really expensive one. And you're so stuffed you can't move afterwards.

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

Grand Fromage posted:

Shabu shabu in Korea is like $15 a person for a really expensive one. And you're so stuffed you can't move afterwards.

yeah the korean bbq hibachi place here is $20 for all you can eat for two hours, with at least 20 different dishes, a little more if you want better cuts of beef. the shabu here seems like you're paying for the prep/atmosphere/novelty, not to get filled up

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

quote:

“The key difference between what Mr. Xu does and martial arts is that martial arts isn’t a competitive sport,’’ he said. “It’s not about really hurting. It’s about giving your opponent ‘face.’ And Mr. Xu’s style is about beating your opponent to near death.”

Why are people getting so worked up about something that's pretty obvious? Martial arts are cool but not so great in an actual fight.

Fleta Mcgurn
Oct 5, 2003

Porpoise noise continues.
I love all forms of hot pot except Sichuan style, so :smith:

LentThem
Aug 31, 2004

90% Retractible
hot pot is special because you are boiling all of the nutrition out of the meat and veg and then ignoring the soup that contains everything leeched out of the food so it is quite literally the least nutritious or flavorful way to eat meat and vegetables.

Chongqing was hilarious because sichuan hotpot is kinda their thing so they have tons of DIY Hotpot vendors that will sell you the congealed bricks of lard and spice that you just drop into a pot of boiling water, and the dipping sauce is a small metal can of mostly-flavorless oil as opposed to satay or whatever. So all food will have one specific flavor (which if thats your jam then go for it) and be super unhealthy

The only hotpot I've ever really liked was Dolar Shop-types where you can order a bunch of small pots of different soups and there are dozens of pick-and-mix dipping sauces so at least you get some variety in flavor and can actually eat the goddamn soup like a normal person.




That said, any korean/japanese place where you grill the food is far superior for taste and maybe health and still has the social aspect of hotpot.

In short, hotpot can go gently caress itself unless you are a literal witch cackling and boiling eye of newt

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Outrail posted:

Why are people getting so worked up about something that's pretty obvious? Martial arts are cool but not so great in an actual fight.

being ineffective at things is an integral part of chinese culture

Tupperwarez
Apr 4, 2004

"phphphphphphpht"? this is what you're going with?

you sure?

Fojar38 posted:

being ineffective at things is an integral part of chinese culture
The Real China: Looking like you have your poo poo together while actually being a hot mess on every conceivable level. If someone points this out, THEY are the villain for causing a fuss.

Wealth beyond measure, outlander. Also, I saw a river crab once, such harmonious creatures.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

The French-Croatian Squid is my favourite Chinese aquatic animal.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Hotpot is goddamn delicious you all people complaining about it probably just never had a proper one.

It's not the best Chinese food but it's definitely up there somewhere. Also the water you cook it in is heavily flavoured, it's more like a really thick and spicy soup.

E: I mean the people who are like wait hotpot is fondue?!?? Not the goons in China.

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 04:17 on May 11, 2017

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Tupperwarez posted:

Also, I saw a river crab once, such harmonious creatures.

haha nice

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010
I think too many people in this thread had bad experiences with Sichuan style hotpot.

Taiwan has its own style of hotpot, do you know?



It's actually quite different. More of a premade soup than the do-it-yourself thing that's been posted here. Also it can be legit spicy, not bullshit Chinese ma la spicy. I'm pretty tough when it comes to spicy food but at the Taiwanese hotpot place near me even the medium level is difficult.

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax

quote:

He said defenders of the traditional Chinese hot pot were incensed that goons had dared to say that hot pot shops staged impressive displays of ingredients but were ineffective as food and that, by doing so, he had threatened their immersion.
Yet Haier's ultra-aggressive assault on his hot pot rivals had missed an important point, goons added.

“The key difference between what Haier calls food and hot pot is that hot pot isn’t something you're supposed to taste,’’ he said. “It’s not about really eating. It’s about sitting with people, and Mr. Haier's style is about being satisfied with the food you eat.”

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
Not long after I first got to China I was wandering around the fanciest hotel in town and noticed it had a fancy Korean restaurant, so I went in there to get dinner.

They had the BBQ at your table bulgogi and kalbi setup, but instead of cooking it yourself, one of the pretty waitresses would stand at your table and do it for you.

I wanted to cook it myself, but I hadn't learned any Chinese yet, so I tried to use hand gestures to indicate I didnt want her to do the tongs for me every time. Like I'd point to the tongs, or pick them up when she was about to pick them up, and wave my hand back and forth for no, and point to myself, and do it myself.

She couldn't figure out what I meant, and eventually got a manger gal and had a powwow, and after a bit they seem to have figured out that I didnt like those particular tongs she was using, so they brought out like five different sets of tongs for me to choose from for the gal to use.

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My other hand gestures gone wrong story is also from very early in my Chinese adventures. I had finished eating lunch somewhere and it was time to get the bill, so I made the "universal gesture for bring me the bill," pretending i had a pen in my hand and writing on my palm.

They were duly perplexed but finally figured out that what I wanted was some paper and a pen to write.

You know you are finally comfortable living in China when you make peace with shouting "MM GOI MAI DAN, MAI DAN AH!!!" or "LUNG NOY MAI DAN!!!" over the din, or i guess FUWUYUAN MAI DAN! if you have the misfortune of not living in guangdong.

One night in awful Anhui we were out drinking late at a Qingdao beer hall place, and a drunk chinese dude kicked in the door, dragged in his woman, sort of skidded to a halt, and screamed at the top of his lungs

"FUUUWUYUANNNNNNN!!!!!"

ntan1
Apr 29, 2009

sempai noticed me
meanwhile ev japanese person ive seen understands the check hand sign (unless youre supposed to pay at the counter).


Also chinese hot pot is very good but you aren't supposed to use the best cuts of meat. So you can toss it all in and not give a gently caress.

Japanese hot pot is also very good but you are supposed to use the best cuts of meat so it's super expensive.

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



Moonshine Rhyme posted:

A definitive quote

I'm guessing they will soon realize that "traditional Chinese martial arts" are in fact M.M.A. and that they invented it 5000 years ago so it's okay.

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010
I don't want to talk about hotpot anymore, and I think everyone else should stop too.

Edit:

BONGHITZ posted:

Do you drink the boiling water?

Don't really want to talk about this but for some of them you wait until the end and you spoon a bunch into your bowl and wait for it to cool. With other types you just don't drink it because it will taste like some kind of insane medicinal poo poo or it will just be oil.

Devils Affricate fucked around with this message at 05:37 on May 11, 2017

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

Do you drink the boiling water?

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
http://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-exercise

""He considers exercise misguided, arguing that a person, like a battery, is born with a finite amount of energy.""

He really is the First Chinese President.

LentThem
Aug 31, 2004

90% Retractible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I

Clearly, vietnamese tai chi is superior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1pah6BEcwA

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

hakimashou posted:

http://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-exercise

""He considers exercise misguided, arguing that a person, like a battery, is born with a finite amount of energy.""

He really is the First Chinese President.

The healthiest President ever.

LentThem
Aug 31, 2004

90% Retractible

hakimashou posted:

http://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-exercise

""He considers exercise misguided, arguing that a person, like a battery, is born with a finite amount of energy.""

He really is the First Chinese President.

didnt neil armstrong say a similar thing about heartbeats

though he did have blocked coronary arteries and died at 82

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

LentThem posted:

didnt neil armstrong say a similar thing about heartbeats

though he did have blocked coronary arteries and died at 82

Imagine how long he would have lived though if he had avoided exciting activities like flying to the loving moon in a giant rocket

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Pirate Radar posted:

Imagine how long he would have lived though if he had avoided exciting activities like flying to the loving moon in a giant rocket

The cosmic rays made him live longer.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

I just woke up and saw this article. My sides!

wide stance
Jan 28, 2011

If there's more than one way to do a job, and one of those ways will result in disaster, then he will do it that way.

LentThem posted:

didnt neil armstrong say a similar thing about heartbeats

though he did have blocked coronary arteries and died at 82

Well with heartbeats, exercise will lower it when resting so it's lower overall.

Energy though lol.

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010
Do you guys remember how back in the 70s and 80s people thought pro wrestling was real? Traditional martial arts is China's WWE and over there it is still the 80s.

LentThem
Aug 31, 2004

90% Retractible

Devils Affricate posted:

Do you guys remember how back in the 70s and 80s people thought pro wrestling was real? Traditional martial arts is China's WWE and over there it is still the 80s.

somehow despite everyone having a smartphone, silly fake bullshit is able to persist as hard truth

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
If you haven't read Fleta McGurn's thread about working in a Chinese school you are missing out

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?




just gonna leave these big hunks of metal in the road it's fine

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Outrail posted:

Why are people getting so worked up about something that's pretty obvious? Martial arts are cool but not so great in an actual fight.

Uh, no, everyone knows the wise old master is supposed to trounce the young hothead. That is how it is supposed to go.
Have you even seen the Karate Kid? Dude is violating narrative causality.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse
It's so obvious, the dude called them out as frauds and they lost tons of face. Now they gang up on him, terrorize him and try to destroy his life instead of rising up to meet the challenge.

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Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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:backtowork:
Went to hotpot with Cabe and Ice last night. We ate our delicious fill and if you don't like it get out.

https://imgur.com/a/t45i4

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