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EmptyVessel posted:Show your working. e:Pretty sure that a large number of Tory voters are going to be younger than me Go look up the demographics of Leave voters? Consistently, older equals more Leave voters, it's not controversial. Edit: 86'd. Like our economy is gonna be.
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OwlFancier posted:Like it's kind of damning: If you break down 65+ even further the very old swing left in a big way and is more comparable to the 25-34 bracket, though obviously they don't number that highly.
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May 11, 2017 19:11
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OwlFancier posted:Like it's kind of damning: Fixed. Now break them down by income and location. Hint: Wealth tends to vote Tory, and is also more likely to live longer..
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May 11, 2017 19:12
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Skinty McEdger posted:If you break down 65+ even further the very old swing left in a big way and is more comparable to the 25-34 bracket, though obviously they don't number that highly. the very old were actually alive during WW2 and got to see the creation of the NHS
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May 11, 2017 19:13
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Skinty McEdger posted:If you break down 65+ even further the very old swing left in a big way and is more comparable to the 25-34 bracket, though obviously they don't number that highly. Yeah it's not so much "olds are poo poo" as "a lot of baby boomers are poo poo".
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May 11, 2017 19:13
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I can believe that, those who actually had to live and remember the consequences of the second world war might have a proper appreciation for what was achieved since then. But alas they are dying quickly, while the people born shortly after them are apparently insufferable cunts who do nothing of value but vote to gently caress us all up constantly. EmptyVessel posted:Fixed. Now break them down by income and location. I mean, if you want to suggest banning rich people, or tories from voting I would also be fine with that. It doesn't actually alter the fact that there is a pretty loving big divide between the old and the young in this country and that the old consistently vote against the interests of the young despite it being us who have to loving live with the consequences of their stupid loving opinions. I still don't see anything to indicate that the world would not, apparently be improved if you just banned everyone over 55 from voting. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:17 on May 11, 2017 |
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May 11, 2017 19:14
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Ban people over (insert age here) from Politics.
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May 11, 2017 19:17
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i see the labour right have piped up to add a bit of the ol' triangulating racism to the immigration part of the manifesto. should be good for around zero ukip votes.
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May 11, 2017 19:19
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Some unfunny oval office on the One Show just compared Corbyn to Trump what the gently caress
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May 11, 2017 19:19
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Trump also faced a barrage of media hostility from day one I think the similarities end there
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May 11, 2017 19:21
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OwlFancier posted:I still don't see anything to indicate that the world would not, apparently be improved if you just banned everyone over 55 from voting. Or only allow urban voters since rural tend Tory. How about banning English voters? They tend to be more Tory too. Cunts.
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May 11, 2017 19:26
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I would be fine with banning rich country cunts. And English cunts if that wouldn't mean we actually ended up with the loving SNP running the country.
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May 11, 2017 19:29
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Tigey posted:Trump also faced a barrage of media hostility from day one Nah the media loved Trump because he's reliable for the kinds of ludicrous statements that shift copy, even if talking heads were critical of him it's a very different relationship to the one with Corbyn.
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May 11, 2017 19:30
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OwlFancier posted:I would be fine with banning rich country cunts. And English cunts if that wouldn't mean we actually ended up with the loving SNP running the country. If the bloody English hadn't kept voting for Thatcher the SNP wouldn't be what they are now - so it's your own fault. Based on figures here we should just ban anyone earning over £20k a year. Which I'm fine with.
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May 11, 2017 19:35
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EmptyVessel posted:If the bloody English hadn't kept voting for Thatcher the SNP wouldn't be what they are now - so it's your own fault. "People who read the Telegraph" is a more sure bet.
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May 11, 2017 19:36
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haakman posted:I was quoting something awful forums user Goddamnedtwisto. I didn't know that was the original provenance of the source, so thanks! I loving wish I could write that well - I assumed when I used that, that it was well-known enough on SA that I didn't need to attribute it.
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May 11, 2017 19:39
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Do the tories have a manifesto at all yet? I expect to see highlights like "Take back Suez" and "bring back hanging" to really nail the old vote in.
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May 11, 2017 19:41
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Firos posted:Other than fox hunting and the fuel price cap, I don't think I could even name another Tory policy. And I'm quite interested in politics. Is it just me being oblivious? Announced policies for all the parties (Not including the stuff from the leaked manifesto) The Tories definitely aren't giving out much.
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May 11, 2017 19:42
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OwlFancier posted:"People who read the Telegraph" is a more sure bet. Doubt any of them earn under £20k a year though.
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May 11, 2017 19:43
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learnincurve posted:
I think the more pressing issue compared to sex is that 17 year olds are eligible to pay tax and join the armed forces, and hence deserve representation.
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May 11, 2017 19:44
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I have qualifications and 15 years of experience in this field. I know there is a huge difference mentally between 18 year olds and 16 year olds, should 16 year olds be allowed to have children? not really. But can you stop them having sex? No. But as the risk of life or health threatening injury owing to pregnancy or abortion is relatively low at 16, all making it illegal would do is land a load of teenagers in prison or put them on lists.
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EmptyVessel posted:Doubt any of them earn under £20k a year though. Until quite recently the Telegraph had a surprising amount of CDE readers because it's sports coverage was ridiculously better than any other paper (with the possible exception of the Morning Star, depending on what sports you were interested in). The Barclays did for that almost as soon as they took over though.
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May 11, 2017 19:47
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EmptyVessel posted:If the bloody English hadn't kept voting for Thatcher the SNP wouldn't be what they are now - so it's your own fault.
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May 11, 2017 19:48
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Seaside Loafer posted:The message there is stupid old rich raciest bastards vote conservative (apart from a bit when some of them ukip'd). Im kinda old and it has always been this way in my lifetime. Dont look like changing until all the cunts die does it. And if we'd thought that in the 80s we'd be feeling pretty bloody stupid now wouldn't we?
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May 11, 2017 19:52
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Until quite recently the Telegraph had a surprising amount of CDE readers because it's sports coverage was ridiculously better than any other paper (with the possible exception of the Morning Star, depending on what sports you were interested in). The Barclays did for that almost as soon as they took over though. they had to disable the comments on articles from paul hayward because he'd get into arguments with people in them
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May 11, 2017 19:52
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I loving wish I could write that well - I assumed when I used that, that it was well-known enough on SA that I didn't need to attribute it. Don't be too negative. You make enjoyable effort posts which I like to read.
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May 11, 2017 19:53
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Benjamin Arthur posted:I think the more pressing issue compared to sex is that 17 year olds are eligible to pay tax and join the armed forces, and hence deserve representation. 17 year olds should absolutely not have to pay tax. my argument would be that if you are under 19 (the cut off for child tax credits) then you shouldn't pay tax. On the job training or getting on the employment ladder after school is just as valid as going on to further education so it's outrageous that families should be punished for it. Armed forces at 17 is a tricky one because they provide training and qualifications alongside accommodation and wages, so you can see why it's an attractive prospect for a lot of kids.
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May 11, 2017 20:08
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I'm pro votes at 16, and one reason I think it's a good idea is that for the many kids still in education at that age, it's a good captive audience for them to learn about politics. How do you get interested in politics if you're 18/19/20 by the time you first vote if you're not already interested in it? On a related note, I ended up talking about Corbyn to some 15/16 year olds today. They seem a lot more positive about him than the last time I ended up talking politics with some youths (only one said that he seems very nice jam man but that doesn't mean he's who you'd want winning the country).
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May 11, 2017 20:25
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Corbyn's big plan is to let children vote?
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May 11, 2017 20:29
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hakimashou posted:Corbyn's big plan is to let children vote? gently caress off you piece of poo poo genocide cheerleader (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 11, 2017 20:32
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jBrereton posted:Do the tories have a manifesto at all yet? They haven't even announced a date when it will come out yet. Everyone's best guess is about two weeks before.
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May 11, 2017 20:36
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It's gonna be bad. They're already talking about fox hunting which was political poison until... well right now, so I expect bringing back capital punishment is not far behind.
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May 11, 2017 20:41
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Regarde Aduck posted:It's gonna be bad. They're already talking about fox hunting which was political poison until... well right now, so I expect bringing back capital punishment is not far behind. Being pro-death penalty was the strongest indicator of voting Leave so yeah, it's in the works. It all fits together.
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May 11, 2017 20:43
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Regarde Aduck posted:It's gonna be bad. They're already talking about fox hunting which was political poison until... well right now, so I expect bringing back capital punishment is not far behind. What exactly is so wrong with fox hunting except that "its for rich people" ?
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May 11, 2017 20:45
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hakimashou posted:What exactly is so wrong with fox hunting except that "its for rich people" ? It's awful, cruel and pointless, much like your posting
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May 11, 2017 20:47
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*sharpens katana* a private psychologist?
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namesake posted:Being pro-death penalty was the strongest indicator of voting Leave so yeah, it's in the works. It all fits together. I know the Tories were doing polling last year on the popularity of a referendum on the death penalty amongst their base so I do fully expect that to get put in somewhere as it fits their mo. Which pretty much would gently caress every one of our extradition treaties. If there's one loving thing I do not want to have a referendum over it's the death penalty.
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May 11, 2017 20:51
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OwlFancier posted:Olds vote to gently caress Youngs. learnincurve posted:There is no discernible difference between the maturity of a 16 year old and a 15 year old Hmm, you might be onto something here. - But no seriously learnincurve doesn't even get the science he's referring to. Teenager brains aren't mature, true, but the brain maturing doesn't actually help with problems of a societal scale - the opposite, really, it just makes people scared of upsetting the status quo even if it is poo poo. Which results in the people who want a change by far and large being people too stupid to see the consequences of what they want, or people actively being shafted by the current status quo. Or both, often. All teenagers are idiots, but at least they could be clever and flexible enough to come up with actual solutions. The  is that brain maturing mostly helps with your ability to put things in their proper context and to emotionally regulate properly. This doesn't actually help if you're just fine assuming your social circles / the media give you the more-or-less-the-truth and then never actually verifying your thoughts are not full of gently caress from biased sources. Or you're just spiteful. So basically Tory voters have a mature brain, and then entirely skip using any of the advantages it brings. Garbage in, garbage out.
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May 11, 2017 20:57
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The only thing worse than the private psychologist is people arguing about how the brain of a teen works. E: I'm on the side of 16yos shouldn't shag, vote, get taxed etc
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May 11, 2017 21:00
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Unlike cheese, I do not believe maturity improves the brain.
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May 11, 2017 21:03
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I would definitely have voted at 16 and I think it's a good idea
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