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Work Friend Keven posted:Current gen steroids are more healthier (like they're not good for you but the weight cuts are probably causing more long term damage) and in general it's kind of just the price you pay. Like a successful MMA career is going to give you two bum knees, a bad back, and possible CTE so idk why we all act horrified by adding semi-functional balls and a bowling ball head to that list.
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May 12, 2017 18:50
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:There is no argument against "PED"s that makes any sense. If you're an athlete, ideally, everything that you put into your body is a PED, and to differentiate between a banana and a steroid is retarded. Yes, even if your job is to concuss your opponent I don't believe prolonged banana consumption shrinks your testicals or makes your heart explode.
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May 12, 2017 18:52
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:There is no argument against "PED"s that makes any sense. If you're an athlete, ideally, everything that you put into your body is a PED, and to differentiate between a banana and a steroid is retarded. Yes, even if your job is to concuss your opponent I can dig it. They should be allowed to take whatever the general public can legally take. It was always weird to me to see Hunt in the cage with his team after a fight and his random roided sparring partner makes him look puny. It's also not cool that in 6 months juicy retired Vitor will be like 10x the fighter as current pro fighter Vitor.
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May 12, 2017 18:53
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Its funny to me that the sport of riding a bicycle has had some of the highest profile steroid controversies in a long time, considering the only valid argument against it would be in a sport where you can accidentally kill your opponent, which is still stupid
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May 12, 2017 18:53
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I.N.R.I posted:some pro cyclists from the 70s and 80s died from cancer which was found to be a probable result of epo abuse, and there was a famous case of a guy in the 60s called Tom Simpson who keeled over and died mid race because of a combination of competing on amphetamines and high summer heat. there are also cases of botched blood transfusions making athletes critically ill, athletes who have underwent "ozone therapy" which is dangerous and has no actual benefit etc. so to argue that theres no reason to test for peds in sport is insane. frankly there is no safe way to take banned peds that are a) controlled and must be obtained illegally b) untested and c) not administered by a health professional yeah thats hosed up how do you measure the truly long term effects like causing cancer
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May 12, 2017 18:54
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Trast posted:I don't believe prolonged banana consumption shrinks your testicals or makes your heart explode. bundt can you confirm/deny this??
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May 12, 2017 18:54
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I.N.R.I posted:frankly there is no safe way to take banned peds that are a) controlled and must be obtained illegally b) untested and c) not administered by a health professional I agree, but A, B and C are all caused by the prohibition of steroids, not the steroids themselves. If they were allowed then those would all cease to be risk factors.
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May 12, 2017 18:55
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Trast posted:I don't believe prolonged banana consumption shrinks your testicals or makes your heart explode. However. you can drink all.the alcohol you want to
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May 12, 2017 18:55
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Skip My Posts posted:yeah thats hosed up how do you measure the truly long term effects like causing cancer dunno ... im not a scientist, its just some second hand knowledge. i imagine there was some scientific paper where a bunch of lab rats got cancer or something at some point
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May 12, 2017 18:57
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Bubba Smith posted:bundt can you confirm/deny this?? Ive been on bananas since I was a child
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May 12, 2017 18:57
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Bananas are radioactive & each banana you eat bombards your innards with deadly gamma rays.
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May 12, 2017 18:58
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Skip My Posts posted:from what i've seen personally long term steroid use can have pretty rough effects on guys health. a couple guys on my wrestling team in college that were abusing steroids went on to have severe heart issues or other weird poo poo. i don't really know poo poo about it tho so maybe there were a lot of other factors like how they were cycling or maybe they were taking bull steroids or something Bzasically your heart can permanently change shape and can stop pumping blood around nearly as well. Here's some poo poo that 99% of you won't care about : quote:A recent study from a cardiovascular research group in Denmark followed the progress of 9 former athletes who all suffered from heart failure. Five of them were former athletes: an elite former boxer; a professional weightlifter; a bodybuilder; and a former pro ice hockey player. The other four patients, while not athletes, were chronic high-dose steroid users. Their ages ranged from 25 to 49. None had previously had CVD,or shown any genetic predisposition to having heart failure. The use of steroids by these men varied from two months to 15 years.
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May 12, 2017 18:58
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Bananas are virtually untraceable if you use peanut butter as a masking agent
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May 12, 2017 18:58
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tesilential posted:I agree, but A, B and C are all caused by the prohibition of steroids, not the steroids themselves. If they were allowed then those would all cease to be risk factors. untrue cos it wasnt any different before either. theres a lot of horror stories about the realities of professional sport before ped use was banned .. you cant trust people to police themselves. sport is undeniably a lot safer nowadays than it used to be
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May 12, 2017 19:00
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Skip My Posts posted:yeah thats hosed up how do you measure the truly long term effects like causing cancer quote:While steroids don't directly cause cancer, they do boost levels of another hormone, insulinlike growth-factor-1 (IGF-1), which is known to speed the process of mitosis, or cell division. This is significant because the core mechanism of cancer is uncontrolled cell division. So, if you have a dormant tumor somewhere in your body, it may be activated by the increased IGF-1 that occurs as a result of high dose steroid use. So you need to have predisposition to it anyway, it just speeds it up. Which is terrifying, but synthetic hormones aren't actually 'giving you' cancer.
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May 12, 2017 19:02
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I.N.R.I posted:.. you cant trust people to police themselves. This is where I fundamentally disagree
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May 12, 2017 19:02
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You gotta protect these guys from harming themselves! *cheers while Kim Winslow watches someone's brains ooze onto the canvas*
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May 12, 2017 19:07
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:This is where I fundamentally disagree Why have refs?
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May 12, 2017 19:08
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:You gotta protect these guys from harming themselves! i would never cheer for something like that
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May 12, 2017 19:08
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Two wrongs dont make a right and its easier to police whether guys inject themselves with horse steroids than whether they ate a healthy breakfast. Theres your answer for why PEDs are illegal even though fighting is already bad for you
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May 12, 2017 19:09
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Bundt Cake posted:Why have refs? Someone has to decide when the fight is over
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May 12, 2017 19:10
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Refs give a fighter a little comfort knowing if they get KO'd or their arm broken, they won't get their head stomped on until their dead. That's performance enhancing. Theres no difference between that and a banana, really. We cheer for these guys to get hurt anyway. Why not get rid of the ref and let them gget hurt? Refs can be biased - this levels the playing field
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May 12, 2017 19:11
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The solution to this is to have fights in international waters. RIP Boat Fights RIP Dada 5000.
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May 12, 2017 19:11
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:Someone has to decide when the fight is over let the fighter police themselves
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May 12, 2017 19:11
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He said he didnt tap. Guess He didnt
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May 12, 2017 19:13
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:Someone has to decide when the fight is over yeah, his name is Shao Khan
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May 12, 2017 19:14
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Bundt Cake posted:let the fighter police themselves If steroids are legal what's the point of referees? That's your argument?
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May 12, 2017 19:14
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:If steroids are legal what's the point of referees? That's your argument? I know it sounds bananas but I think the refs are a ped
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May 12, 2017 19:16
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manyak posted:Two wrongs dont make a right and its easier to police whether guys inject themselves with horse steroids than whether they ate a healthy breakfast. Theres your answer for why PEDs are illegal even though fighting is already bad for you There are two perceived wrongs, neither of which are actually wrong
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May 12, 2017 19:17
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Why even have rules at all? Felony Fights is MMA in its purest form
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May 12, 2017 19:17
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:There are two perceived wrongs, neither of which are actually wrong every wrong is a perceived wrong ... thats how human society functions
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May 12, 2017 19:19
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chaleski posted:Why even have rules at all? Felony Fights is MMA in its purest form Felony fights have rules
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May 12, 2017 19:19
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I.N.R.I posted:every wrong is a perceived wrong ... thats how human society functions I don't think combat or enhancing your performance are wrong
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May 12, 2017 19:21
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I especially don't believe in the concept of a governing body in any form trying to "protect you from yourself"
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May 12, 2017 19:24
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lol
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May 12, 2017 19:30
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Well now we dont get to hear the rest of the libertarian personal responsiblity argument for 6 hours
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May 12, 2017 19:30
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:I don't think combat or enhancing your performance are wrong me neither
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May 12, 2017 19:30
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:I don't think combat or enhancing your performance are wrong No one's gives a poo poo
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May 12, 2017 19:31
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manyak posted:Well now we dont get to hear the rest of the libertarian personal responsiblity argument for 6 hours lol
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May 12, 2017 19:35
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sounds like rockhold wants to fight mousasi
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