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NRVNQSR posted:It's interesting that 5 swerves so heavily away from school social links compared to the previous games. No sport clubs, no culture clubs, no random weirdo student friends; even Mishima doesn't feel like a school social link since you basically never interact with him there. I think it works out really well; for me the confidants in 5 feel way more diverse than 3/4s, even though a lot of them follow very similar arcs to each other. And of course it reinforces the narrative that the MC is isolated at school. I liked not having to deal with clubs/school activities since it's closer to my real exp on how even though I spent x hrs in class, not EVERYTHING is tied back to my HS. Hence even though the Hawaii trip was dull I'm glad it didn't have the same entire Kyoto/Hot Spring repeat events. Also, I'm always going to be hoping for a college/work Persona which will never happen but dreams.
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NRVNQSR posted:It's interesting that 5 swerves so heavily away from school social links compared to the previous games. No sport clubs, no culture clubs, no random weirdo student friends; even Mishima doesn't feel like a school social link since you basically never interact with him there. I think it works out really well; for me the confidants in 5 feel way more diverse than 3/4s, even though a lot of them follow very similar arcs to each other. And of course it reinforces the narrative that the MC is isolated at school. I noted this too, and it reinforced that overall they're not social links, they're confidants. They're not (at the start) your friends, but you're in a mutually beneficial relationship. They help you further your phantom thief abilities (in addition to the persona fusion power) and you provide some service to them (medical guinea pig, insider info, etc.) Even your party members have to form an official deal with you. You have to help them, and they'll help you with something. It made sense with some, but it felt a bit too impersonal with others.
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May 13, 2017 00:43
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What rank do you need for Devil before you're no longer in danger of "losing her trust" if you don't respond to her invitations? It's a nice source of Charm, but I'm not really feeling it otherwise and unlike Mishima, the advantages aren't all that, uh, advantageous. Managing Alert level is probably the least difficult part of running a Palace. (If she kept it from maxing out after you sent the card instead, I might change my mind--the 3rd Palace killed me 6 times because I'd win a fight, then have another instantly spawn right on top of me and die to the subsequent ambush.)
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May 13, 2017 01:00
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Rangpur posted:What rank do you need for Devil before you're no longer in danger of "losing her trust" if you don't respond to her invitations? It's a nice source of Charm, but I'm not really feeling it otherwise and unlike Mishima, the advantages aren't all that, uh, advantageous. Managing Alert level is probably the least difficult part of running a Palace. (If she kept it from maxing out after you sent the card instead, I might change my mind--the 3rd Palace killed me 6 times because I'd win a fight, then have another instantly spawn right on top of me and die to the subsequent ambush.) You can leave her alone forever if you want. Confidants aren't that strict.
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May 13, 2017 01:02
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Yeah confidants don't break or reverse, apparently earlier in development they had that but took it out
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May 13, 2017 01:04
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Yeah confidants don't break or reverse, apparently earlier in development they had that but took it out I'm glad for this. I've only read about how that can happen in P3 but it sounds like a really bad mechanic for a game where days are limited.
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May 13, 2017 01:29
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Goodguy3 posted:I'm glad for this. I've only read about how that can happen in P3 but it sounds like a really bad mechanic for a game where days are limited. It can happen with like 2 links in P4 too, but you have to really gently caress up with them and pick incredibly stupid choices.
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May 13, 2017 01:30
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In the expansion they really do need to have a scene when Sae comments on the fact that you are banging her sister.
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May 13, 2017 01:37
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ApplesandOranges posted:You can leave her alone forever if you want. Confidants aren't that strict.
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May 13, 2017 01:39
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Rangpur posted:Good to know. I already assumed I'd have to drop a couple to finish the ones I like since I haven't been going out of my way to optimize my time. Probably going to cut her off once I hit Charm 3. Evening time is tight as is, since you lose your shot at it after anything Metaverse related and Coffee Dad is really goddamn stubborn about moving from rank 3 to 4. (I know there's a Kindness requirement at some point in his Link, but I'm at Kindness 3 already.) You'll need Kindness 5 later in his link. His rank 4 is just plot locked and takes more points to get to than any other link in the game to hide that a bit.
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May 13, 2017 01:40
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Rangpur posted:Good to know. I already assumed I'd have to drop a couple to finish the ones I like since I haven't been going out of my way to optimize my time. Probably going to cut her off once I hit Charm 3. Evening time is tight as is, since you lose your shot at it after anything Metaverse related and Coffee Dad is really goddamn stubborn about moving from rank 3 to 4. (I know there's a Kindness requirement at some point in his Link, but I'm at Kindness 3 already.) You'll need Charm 5 if you want to finish Makoto's Confidant. If you don't care about that feel free to ignore Charm.
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May 13, 2017 01:43
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Goodguy3 posted:I'm glad for this. I've only read about how that can happen in P3 but it sounds like a really bad mechanic for a game where days are limited. It's cool, actually. It can only happen if you either don't talk to someone for three straight months, or two time people you're dating (which admittedly is every woman your age by defualt in P3but you can still make it work as long as you balance it properly) It and the more intense broken slink (where you can't even use personas from that arcana till you fix the relationship) were cool ideas because it means that slinks have literally any sort of consequence to them. Instead of just a visual novel that you read to break up the dungeon crawling that comes with some minor perks.
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May 13, 2017 01:56
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Zore posted:You'll need Kindness 5 later in his link. His rank 4 is just plot locked and takes more points to get to than any other link in the game to hide that a bit.
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May 13, 2017 02:19
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Rangpur posted:That'd do it. So, uh, when does it plot UNlock? Rank 4 isn't plot locked; Rank 5 is and requires you be after Palace 4.
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May 13, 2017 02:23
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Huh. Well since you apparently can't gift him anything, or invite him anywhere, is it more effective to hang out with him or to show off your coffee-making prowess while he's out? (I assume the notes over his head mean you can progress towards the next stage by practicing what he showed you at the coffee siphon.)
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May 13, 2017 02:31
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Rangpur posted:Huh. Well since you apparently can't gift him anything, or invite him anywhere, is it more effective to hang out with him or to show off your coffee-making prowess while he's out? (I assume the notes over his head mean you can progress towards the next stage by practicing what he showed you at the coffee siphon.) The best option is to get him up to Rank 4 with coffee/hangouts and then use Fortune's Rank 7 ability to boost him the rest of the way. Fortune's Affinity Reading is an absolute godsend and should be one of your biggest priorities in your quest to Make All the Friends.
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May 13, 2017 02:33
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Working on clearing the Mementos request that (I assume) unlocks it. Can you use the confuse trick to steal money from the boss of this one? I need to make that 100,000 yen back so I can buy an SP regen patch from the doctor.
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May 13, 2017 02:44
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darealkooky posted:It's cool, actually. It can only happen if you either don't talk to someone for three straight months, or two time people you're dating (which admittedly is every woman your age by defualt in P3but you can still make it work as long as you balance it properly) No broken SL were bad and I'm happy all the modern Personas don't feature them at all. Joker is a very busy boy and he needs to use his time efficiently even if it means ignoring you for 4 months straight for fishing.
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May 13, 2017 02:53
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I just finished the game yesterday and I'm really excited to start doing ng+ runs to see what can be different. Also on my first run the only person I wasn't able to max out was the Empress link, was only able to get that one to rank 4. I do love how stylish and well done everything was.
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May 13, 2017 03:15
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"This mementos boss confusion thing is nbd, I don't get the fame" XXXXX threw away 40,000 yen 
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May 13, 2017 04:48
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Get a persona with high enough luck and they'll start tossing 150-200k a turn.
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May 13, 2017 05:13
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TheLoser posted:Get a persona with high enough luck and they'll start tossing 150-200k a turn. It is genuinely ridiculous how much money they can drop. Does mean you get to go nuts with Gallows vanity projects though.
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May 13, 2017 05:16
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Xarbala posted:It is genuinely ridiculous how much money they can drop. Yeah, and that's really the only reason to do it. And that's a perfectly good reason, mind you, because seeing what kind of horrifying monster Personas you can slap together in the Velvet Room is a lot of fun
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May 13, 2017 05:19
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This was a thing Ugh How is it that I don't discover this stuff? What exactly do I need to do this? Which boss will it work on?
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What are the odds that the Guardian shows up on a non-rain day? In early December and it's one of my last trophies. I've been using this to track the weather: http://www.neoseeker.com/persona-5/walkthrough/December_20XX. It hosed up for me on the 3rd because it didn't start raining till overnight.
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May 13, 2017 05:48
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corn on the cop posted:What are the odds that the Guardian shows up on a non-rain day? In early December and it's one of my last trophies. Just make a save and reload to that if the Guardian doesn't show up. It seems to be pretty common and both times I've tried to catch it it was there. If you've read the fishing guide from Shinjuku you'll be able to use Third Eye at the fishing pools and you can see it's a long golden fish that only shows up on the seventh fishing attempt per session.
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May 13, 2017 05:56
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Annnd that's officially a wrap on Palace #3. It's July 9th, all social stats are at 3, and I've opened all available confidants to this point except the airsoft proprietor. I want all party members at the point where they can do follow-up attacks, but Makoto is the only one that's left. After that I want Guts 4 so Morgana will finally shut the gently caress up whenever I need to unload vendor trash. I'm assuming Hermit, Empress & Za Warudo are plot-locked but other than those 3 it looks like I have all the Confidants available. I feel like it's better to have a wide variety of S-Links sooner than a smaller number of high ranks, so that you'll always have someone to work on regardless of weather, date or plot. Or maybe it isn't, I honestly have no clue. But it worked alright for my first playthrough in Persona 4.
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I got like three fusion accidents in one day yesterday while I was trying to fulfill Strength requests, but I'm finally at Rank 7 with them. Now I won't need to bother with them for Mementos for a good long while
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May 13, 2017 14:29
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Post Palace 7 That Ryuji death fakeout scene ruled more than it has any right to
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May 13, 2017 14:33
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Ometeotl posted:Post Palace 7 That Ryuji death fakeout scene ruled more than it has any right to It's a good scene. Starring a good dude.
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Ometeotl posted:Post Palace 7 That Ryuji death fakeout scene ruled more than it has any right to And he got laid the gently caress out .
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Alder posted:No broken SL were bad and I'm happy all the modern Personas don't feature them at all. Joker is a very busy boy and he needs to use his time efficiently even if it means ignoring you for 4 months straight for fishing. Ai's link in Persona 4 can break if you agree to date her the first time she asks and then tell her you need some time apart when she asks if you can go back to just being friends
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May 13, 2017 14:38
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You know, from Sae's perspective it must sound like you're just non-stop trolling her. "Let me get this straight. You owe your career as a master criminal to a fortune teller, a sloshed reporter on the 'funny animals' beat, and a shogi player who makes airplane noises and explosions with her mouth whenever she moves a piece." "Also a talking cat, hook-nosed jailer I see in my dreams, his tiny sassy twin wardens, and your sister. Who I totally boned. Wait, have I gotten to that part yet? Oooh, sorry. Spoiler warning." Rangpur fucked around with this message at 15:06 on May 13, 2017 |
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Instant Grat posted:Ai's link in Persona 4 can break if you agree to date her the first time she asks and then tell her you need some time apart when she asks if you can go back to just being friends It can also happen if you tell Naoto she's on her own. That's pretty much it though. Rangpur posted:Annnd that's officially a wrap on Palace #3. It's July 9th, all social stats are at 3, and I've opened all available confidants to this point except the airsoft proprietor. I want all party members at the point where they can do follow-up attacks, but Makoto is the only one that's left. After that I want Guts 4 so Morgana will finally shut the gently caress up whenever I need to unload vendor trash. I'm assuming Hermit, Empress & Za Warudo are plot-locked but other than those 3 it looks like I have all the Confidants available. More or less. It's actually remarkably easy to run out of day links for instance on a given day if you max out Death and Tower too early, since all the daytime links other than them are from the Phantom Thieves and they're usually not available a week before deadlines or right before exams. Having a couple party members at high ranks doesn't hurt, I've had times where Protect saved my bacon. Hermit and Empress open up with the plot yes; Empress is the last one that opens up. Tower becomes available sometime in September.
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May 13, 2017 15:07
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I mean, it's not like Sae is taking this all too seriously herself.
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Rangpur posted:You know, from Sae's perspective it must sound like you're just non-stop trolling her. "Let me get this straight. You owe your career as a master criminal to a fortune teller, a sloshed reporter on the 'funny animals' beat, and a shogi player who makes airplane noises and explosions with her mouth whenever she moves a piece." "So you move around Mementos inside of your cat" "Well, he turns into a car first" *throws up hands* "Of course, it was so obvious, why didn't I realize it"
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DreamShipWrecked posted:"So you move around Mementos inside of your cat" "It's actually more of a minivan, or a bus."
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May 13, 2017 15:53
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Running through the game on NG+ merciless mode skill cards are nice to have for my bff Arsene.
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Instant Grat posted:Ai's link in Persona 4 can break if you agree to date her the first time she asks and then tell her you need some time apart when she asks if you can go back to just being friends Forgot what happened in my Persona 4 run, but Ai broke when I hang out with her and Yukiko (who I was dating) saw us and I choose her over Ai. Don't think I even dated Ai, think it was just one of the Sunday hang out events.
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