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SKULL.GIF posted:dang you're really stung over Tannehill's position Have you seen the shirts?
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andy dalton good quarterback
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May 13, 2017 19:02
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Ben's rating for the playoffs is 84, which is higher than I expected. I didn't realize he had some very good games early in his career, albeit only throwing the ball 20 times. I guess the last six years of him only being able to win games due to controversial reffing and/or the other team limping into the playoffs injured soured me on him in the playoffs. I wish he was able to beat the Pats once in a while.
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May 13, 2017 19:14
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The only really awful playoff games Ben has had were against the Jets in 2010 and the Seahawks in the Super Bowl (both games which the Steelers won of course, because that's how the world works). Which isn't to say he's been really good of course, he hasn't most of the time. But he's not Ryan Lindley out there I guess is my point. Decidedly averageish.
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May 13, 2017 19:39
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Grittybeard posted:The only really awful playoff games Ben has had were against the Jets in 2010 and the Seahawks in the Super Bowl (both games which the Steelers won of course, because that's how the world works). What about when the packers beat the steelers 
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May 13, 2017 19:41
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MrLogan posted:Ben's rating for the playoffs is 84, which is higher than I expected. I didn't realize he had some very good games early in his career, albeit only throwing the ball 20 times. I guess the last six years of him only being able to win games due to controversial reffing and/or the other team limping into the playoffs injured soured me on him in the playoffs. Unless Roethlisberger is the guy making their secondary play zone, then he isn't why they can never beat the Patriots. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH2PDgz4gso
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May 13, 2017 20:12
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I think the real question is is Big Ben better than the Ravens who are better than all but 2 NFC teams
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May 13, 2017 20:27
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Andey prob top 10 WR/QB hybrid position Still losing to Tannehills tho
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May 13, 2017 20:35
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It's somewhat refreshing to see that of the qb tier arguments this offseason it is on about barely entrenched starters instead of the very top of the group.
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Amy Pole Her posted:Andey prob top 10 WR/QB hybrid position Only because that Titan(?) completely whiffed on the tackle, otherwise Dalton might have wound up a paraplegic.
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May 13, 2017 20:39
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that titan only whiffed because the wily veteran quarterback, on purpose, confused him with options, which overloaded his senses, causing the play to work, in real life, amen.
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Diqnol posted:It's somewhat refreshing to see that of the qb tier arguments this offseason it is on about barely entrenched starters instead of the very top of the group. It's because the QBs at the top are old enough that most of them will retire within the next three seasons so 1. their body of work is established and arguments won't change history 2. there's no point trying to puff up their future since there isn't one also 3. there's been a huge influx of young quarterbacks into the league starting positions in the past four or so years
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May 13, 2017 20:52
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Amy Pole Her posted:You literally don't watch football because it's such a blood sport yet you're ranking QBs eh? I watched maybe 40 games start to finish last year. Normally I watch more but no more condensed versions without shenanigans. I think I saw 3 fins games last year, for example. Fins Browns, Fins Bengals and one of the Fins Bills games (October I think? It went to overtime). Tannehill still seems to me like a QB that struggles to make reads and has a low ceiling. I'm not going away and I'm not going to participate in derailing every thread it gets brought up in. PM me if you like.
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May 13, 2017 21:03
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I have nothing else to do today and I'm tired of reading about the Trump trainwreck. No particular sorting within groups. Feel free to skip this post. --- The best of the best, these players can almost singlehandedly deliver a championship: Brady, Rodgers, Brees Very good quarterbacks who can pave the path to a Super Bowl but need a solid team to put it over the top: Ryan, Newton, Wilson, Rivers Quality, franchise quarterbacks who are responsible for far more wins than for losses, even in the playoffs, and will be part of their team's history and legacy: Luck, Carr, Flacco, Roethlisberger, Stafford, Cousins The next group are all pretty much equally good and any differences are nitpicks at best as of right now. They're competent enough to play quarterback well in the NFL and are assets to their team, but they won't be able to save a team's season or to push their teams forward through the playoff wall. Their effectiveness is very dependent on their coaching and teammates. There are three distinct subgroups: players who are trending upwards every season and have a future; players who either have hit their ceiling or show few signs of large improvement in the future; and players who are declining either due to age or due to being figured out by the league. A bunch of QBs from this group will level up or level down come this autumn. C+: Mariota, Prescott, Winston C: Tannehill, Alex Smith, Dalton, Wentz C-: Eli Manning, Palmer, Bradford, Taylor, Bortles Anyone below this level are stopgaps at best and are always in threat of being replaced by a better player.
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May 13, 2017 21:38
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Coldforge posted:You lucky bastard. It's a huge QoL improvement, to be honest.
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May 13, 2017 21:45
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Broncos revoke season ticket license from fans who sold all their 2016 tickets. I might have missed y'all talking about this already, but as a Cowboys fan I support this move. Tired of being embarrassed by visiting teams and visiting fans as well. Maybe if more teams do stuff like this balance can be restored to stadium attendance.
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May 13, 2017 21:51
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SKULL.GIF posted:QB stuff This seems at the same time very kind to Bortles and also selling him short. He shouldn't be considered as high as he is is in your rankings in my opinion, but there is a small possibility that he might improve and figure things out if he ever got actual good coaching. So he shouldn't be in the same tier as the Carson Palmer's of the world who are at the rear end end of their career I guess.
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May 13, 2017 21:53
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Grittybeard posted:This seems at the same time very kind to Bortles and also selling him short. Bortles has been as good as Eli Manning over the past two seasons and I honestly think that right now Bortles would perform as well as the other quarterbacks in that 'C' tier if he was put onto a given team and had to start a game for them. Over time? It's looking like he's not receiving the necessary coaching and it's also seeming like defenses are getting better at shutting down his tendencies.
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May 13, 2017 21:57
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It's funny to me that some of you think that Ben isn't tier 2 who sometimes flirts with tier 1. He's clearly not Brady or Rodgers, but theres's been like 3, maybe 4 guys in the last 2 decades who have the physical tools to make the pass he made to win 43
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May 13, 2017 22:07
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Elishacode:code:code:
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:It's funny to me that some of you think that Ben isn't tier 2 who sometimes flirts with tier 1. He's clearly not Brady or Rodgers, but theres's been like 3, maybe 4 guys in the last 2 decades who have the physical tools to make the pass he made to win 43 I agree, actually. For most of his career he's been what Cam Newton is right now for the Panthers, albeit with much better passing effectiveness and tools. He's getting old and I think the four I placed above him are clearly better than him right-now. If we were making legacy rankings that took their bodies of work in account then I think it would look very different.
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May 13, 2017 22:11
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Okay but how many of those yards and tds didn't come on garbage time for blake
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May 13, 2017 22:11
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andey dlaton is a top 10 NFL quarterback
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SKULL.GIF posted:I agree, actually. For most of his career he's been what Cam Newton is right now for the Panthers, albeit with much better passing effectiveness and tools. He's getting old and I think the four I placed above him are clearly better than him right-now. Fair. He's still only 34, but the middle years of his career when he got sacked 50+ times per year probably took 5 years off of his playing years
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a patagonian cavy posted:andey dlaton is a top 10 NFL quarterback Absolutely not true
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Eifert Posting posted:I won't give the NFL money. Make it with a caveat that both have to play at least 14 games and the pay out It's not the NFL. You are going to buy me a custom shirt from RedBubble to go along with my Ryan Tannehill is a top ten NFL QB shirt. It will say Ryan Tannehill is still a top ten NFL QB
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May 13, 2017 22:25
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to a charity of the other person's choosing and you have a deal.
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Blitz7x posted:Absolutely not true Sorry about your wrong opinion friend
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:Fair. He's still only 34, but the middle years of his career when he got sacked 50+ times per year probably took 5 years off of his playing years Yeah no one willingly and as an integral part of their game took as much punishment as Ben did when he was younger. So many times he'd just stand there and shrug off some 300 lb guy instead of getting rid of the ball early. e: Well no one who doesn't run a lot. Cam has an argument for getting beat up that much.
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Grittybeard posted:Yeah no one willingly and as an integral part of their game took as much punishment as Ben did when he was younger. So many times he'd just stand there and shrug off some 300 lb guy instead of getting rid of the ball early. He ran a lot when he was young too. Like, a lot.
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:He ran a lot when he was young too. Like, a lot. Frequently for a QB sure, but nothing like Cam. Ben's highest rushing attempts in a season is 56 in his rookie year, Cam's lowest was last year at 90. I'm sure a big chunk of the difference is Ben handing the ball off in short yardage situations and Cam being like, the actual go to option for Carolina. What I remember Ben doing is running around all over the place in the backfield before finally throwing when he was young. Then at some point he graduated to just hanging out in a collapsing pocket and hip tossing rushing D Linemen like it was nothing for a couple of years. Recently he plays way more like a normal QB.
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i like when ben runs around like crazy but can't find anyone open and forces something very bad but usually he Slangs it from there and then i don't like it at all
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May 13, 2017 22:54
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tannyhill is trash
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andey dalden
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andey is good, and kind, and a thoughtful lover
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Grittybeard posted:Frequently for a QB sure, but nothing like Cam. Ben's highest rushing attempts in a season is 56 in his rookie year, Cam's lowest was last year at 90. I'm sure a big chunk of the difference is Ben handing the ball off in short yardage situations and Cam being like, the actual go to option for Carolina. He started off running for yardage, which morphed into noticing guys would uncover when he approached the line of scrimmage, which then morphed into the hip checking and shoulder tossing d-linemen until guys uncovered. The latter was very exciting football. FWIW, Ben was never infected with football autism like Brady, Brees or Manning, so he never had a prayer of ascending to their heights. Up until last year, I'm pretty sure his off season consisted of drinking beer, hunting and fishing (plus rape joke here), and he has always been notoriously lax in film study. All-in-all, he's like a bigger Bret Favre with less slightly less risk-taking and INTs when you reduce it down to common denominators
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SKULL.GIF posted:Elisha One of these players has a throwing motion like he can't decide whether he needs to scratch his back.
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