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eames
May 9, 2009

Phosphine posted:

This is supremely interesting, I need a keyboard for my HTPC. Anyone know what the battery/QC is like on this? Also, are these standard-ish keycaps so I can switch to disgusting Miami or something later?

I was going to order one until I found this... :stonklol:


https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4ro3gb/psa_if_you_ordered_an_anne_pro_check_the_battery/

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Phosphine
May 30, 2011

WHY, JUDY?! WHY?!
🤰🐰🆚🥪🦊

Yeah that's, uh, slightly worrying.

SgtSteel91
Oct 21, 2010

surebet posted:

"gaming" is kinda vague, so you'll have to narrow it down a bit for us.

my take on it is that you'll be soliciting specific keys a lot more than others (wasd and whatever else) versus regular use, so unless you want to replace the board quickly, you want the best key switches possible in there.

the reference brand is cherry and they basically come in 3 types:
linear (reds being most common, with silent red & black showing up once in a while)
arguably better for high apm or twitchy gaming


tactile (brown being most common, clear also available)
great for general typing & gaming


clicky (blue being the most common, greens sometimes showing up)
also great for anything, but be aware that they're noisy as all gently caress especially in a cheap casing


before buying anything, you should visit your local computer store to test all three types. once you've figured out what you like, that also narrows down stuff.

anything with real cherry keys will be ~$100, with deals to be had if you shop around. there are a few decent clones like gateron (as nondescript mentioned) but if possible spend the extra :20bux: for the real deal.

backlit keys is a fairly common feature; if what you're looking for is full rgb backlighting, that'll cost a bit more.

for something with rgb lighting on the cheap:
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Gaming-K55-Keyboard-Backlit/dp/B01M4LIKLI/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1494458512&sr=8-6&keywords=corsair+rgb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukZwCBWX9fs
*not mechanical*

for an actual mechanical board with monocolor backlighting:
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-STRA...rds=corsair+rgb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkblpbyX1IU

for a proper rgb experience with good switches:
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Mech...sair+strafe+rgb
https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Gami...corsair+k70+rgb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8xj9FAOuxU

the strafe rgb is obviously more expensive than your original choice, but it's the cheapest i'd go for something rgb. logitech and a few others offer similar products but i can't really help you there.

These are helpful, thanks!

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

I think I might actually get those absurdly expensive Miami Dolch DSA caps from Massdrop.

I'm basically approaching peak keyboard ... have a TKL with Clears that works perfectly for me, though I have one with Greens coming. After that basically nothing left for me to try in switches and form-factor.

Nondescript Van
May 2, 2007

Gats N Party Hats :toot:
mod, zealio, topre, beamspring, hall effect, 40%, 30%, ortho, etc.

buy everything

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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teethgrinder posted:

I think I might actually get those absurdly expensive Miami Dolch DSA caps from Massdrop.

I'm basically approaching peak keyboard ... have a TKL with Clears that works perfectly for me, though I have one with Greens coming. After that basically nothing left for me to try in switches and form-factor.

there's a world of interesting stuff out there in vintage computing, if you want to try new stuff.

miami seems like it'd run you about $72 for a tkl layout, although i'd spend the extra :20bux: to get the numpad kit as well to futureproof the purchase.

zyce
Apr 12, 2006
i'll stab you with a pocket knife while it's still in there

CaptainPoopsock posted:

Nice design! One question for a fellow WASD keyboard owner: Is the right side of your space bar noisier than the left? My WASD is pretty new and I noticed the noise on day one. I found the prongs by the actual metal bar to be loose and support told me it's normal :wtc:.


That is one sexy keyboard, but the price.. :stonk:

Hate to do this but you don't have PMs. You didn't happen to play Everquest on Luclin ages ago, did you?

Oh poo poo, yeah that's me. Played on Luclin and Prexus. I don't know how to turn PMs on. Whatever. Sorry for replying 5 years too late.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

surebet posted:

there's a world of interesting stuff out there in vintage computing, if you want to try new stuff.

miami seems like it'd run you about $72 for a tkl layout, although i'd spend the extra :20bux: to get the numpad kit as well to futureproof the purchase.
Thanks for pointing that out -- pretty sure I'll never get a full keyboard again, but I do have a separate numpad this kit accommodates nicely with the extras.

CRAYON
Feb 13, 2006

In the year 3000..


I rolled the dice.. will report back.

eames
May 9, 2009

I'm new to mechanical keyboards and my new Cherry MX Brown keyboard feels mushy and perhaps a bit heavy after years of rubberdome typing. I'd like a slightly softer keyboard with stronger tactile feedback. What are my alternatives?

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

eames posted:

I'm new to mechanical keyboards and my new Cherry MX Brown keyboard feels mushy and perhaps a bit heavy after years of rubberdome typing. I'd like a slightly softer keyboard with stronger tactile feedback. What are my alternatives?

I think Reds are the lightest force keyswitch but they don't have a click, so no real tactile feedback. But I use reds and enjoy the light touch very much. Lack of clicks doesn't bother me.

Constellation I
Apr 3, 2005
I'm a sucker, a little fucker.
First, check if your keyboard has rubber O-rings and take them out and try typing again.

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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eames posted:

I'm new to mechanical keyboards and my new Cherry MX Brown keyboard feels mushy and perhaps a bit heavy after years of rubberdome typing. I'd like a slightly softer keyboard with stronger tactile feedback. What are my alternatives?

give blues a try:



they're about the same weight, but there's a significantly larger feedback. they also have a bit more travel before resisting, so that might help.

the caveat is that there's a non-zero chance of you getting murdered by your coworkers if you bring a keeb with blues to the office.

best advice i can give you is to head over to a shop that has a bunch of keyboards on display, a decent place should at least have reds and blues somewhere.

if you want to be really fancy, there's also the option of changing the springs inside the switches, but that's obviously a labor intensive mod.

Varg
Jan 13, 2007

A friendly face.

eames posted:

I'm new to mechanical keyboards and my new Cherry MX Brown keyboard feels mushy and perhaps a bit heavy after years of rubberdome typing. I'd like a slightly softer keyboard with stronger tactile feedback. What are my alternatives?

You could try something with Matias switches - https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=113

I use this one with the Quiet Click switches at work. I also have a Corsair K70 with Browns at home, and for a pure typing experience I definitely prefer the Matias.


Constellation I posted:

First, check if your keyboard has rubber O-rings and take them out and try typing again.
I dunno man, typing on my browns became way better after I put 2mm o-rings on them.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Since no one recommended Clears ... I'm going to recommend Clears. Sounds perfect to me based on how he described his situation.

More resistant, more tactile, not noisy unless you're REALLY pounding on them and bottoming them out. O-rings would help with that.

Aside, the most mushy-feeling keyboard I ever had was Blacks. I haven't tried Reds, but guessing linear just isn't for me.

teethgrinder fucked around with this message at 23:06 on May 14, 2017

CRAYON
Feb 13, 2006

In the year 3000..

But they said that browns feel heavy. Clears will feel like power lifting for your fingers if you think browns are heavy.

eames
May 9, 2009

Thanks for all the suggestions. The keyboard is a Filco Majestouch-clone (rebranded Noppoo Choc Mid 87 TKL, fairly cheap on my local Amazon).
I think blues would be too noisy, even these browns are fairly loud as I find myself "bottoming out" on every. single. keypress. Perhaps it just takes some time for me to adjust, the browns no longer feel as heavy as they did initially and my MBP rubberdomes are starting to feel "too light". I ordered a key tester and some O-rings earlier today. Wish I could try a Topre board somewhere...

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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eames posted:

Thanks for all the suggestions. The keyboard is a Filco Majestouch-clone (rebranded Noppoo Choc Mid 87 TKL, fairly cheap on my local Amazon).
I think blues would be too noisy, even these browns are fairly loud as I find myself "bottoming out" on every. single. keypress. Perhaps it just takes some time for me to adjust, the browns no longer feel as heavy as they did initially and my MBP rubberdomes are starting to feel "too light". I ordered a key tester and some O-rings earlier today. Wish I could try a Topre board somewhere...

the key tester is a good move, but keep in mind that it's a somewhat artificial benchmark. you get a good idea of what a switch feels like by poking at it, but the real test of noise, usability & comfort is living with it for a while.

if you have the budget to try out a few things, there's a modular keyboard that seems to have good reviews. the gimmick is that you just have to snap switches in, not solder them.

that would allow you to try a few different sets. you could also mix and match.

e: as far as noise go, bottoming is noisy but the key returning to battery can also be an issue. i found that in some keyboards the key return clack is louder than the bottoming out thud, especially the ones with a stronger switch spring and cheap keycaps.

adding a set of the thickest pbt caps you can find to your shopping list could be interesting.

CRAYON posted:

But they said that browns feel heavy. Clears will feel like power lifting for your fingers if you think browns are heavy.

clears are heavier (65g vs 45g iirc) but i find that the extra resistance highlights the activation point quite nicely, better than browns. it's a very personal choice though, i've always been a heavy typist so ymmv.

surebet fucked around with this message at 00:48 on May 15, 2017

Constellation I
Apr 3, 2005
I'm a sucker, a little fucker.

Varg posted:

You could try something with Matias switches - https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=113

I use this one with the Quiet Click switches at work. I also have a Corsair K70 with Browns at home, and for a pure typing experience I definitely prefer the Matias.

I dunno man, typing on my browns became way better after I put 2mm o-rings on them.

Oh I like O-rings on my browns too, but eames is new to mech keyboards so it'll at least be good for him to see if the O-rings are the one contributing to the "mushiness" or not.

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-input-club-k-type-mechanical-keyboard

K-Type is finally up on massdrop, selling like hot cakes. Has some custom switches https://input.club/the-comparative-guide-to-mechanical-switches/tactile/halo-true/ and https://input.club/the-comparative-guide-to-mechanical-switches/tactile/halo-clear/

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Total bargain if I quit drinking for it

The Unlife Aquatic
Jun 17, 2009

Here in my car
I feel safest of all
I can lock all my doors
It's the only way to live
In cars
The RGB...it's beautiful.

GokieKS
Dec 15, 2012

Mostly Harmless.
I really want to try out those Halo switches, but I want a full-size keyboard. =/

Varg
Jan 13, 2007

A friendly face.

that would be great if I wouldn't have to spend another $50 to replace the white keycaps :barf:

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

Have you had white before? Massdrop shipped me the wrong Poker 2 once upon a time ... and gave me a large refund to keep the white-capped one I didn't want. For that price I wasn't going to argue. Thought I'd hate the caps, but they're fine. The PBT doesn't seem to get dirty so easily either.

ColHannibal
Sep 17, 2007

eames posted:

I'm new to mechanical keyboards and my new Cherry MX Brown keyboard feels mushy and perhaps a bit heavy after years of rubberdome typing. I'd like a slightly softer keyboard with stronger tactile feedback. What are my alternatives?

Topre.

El Marrow
Jan 21, 2009

Everybody here is just as dead as you.

teethgrinder posted:

Have you had white before? Massdrop shipped me the wrong Poker 2 once upon a time ... and gave me a large refund to keep the white-capped one I didn't want. For that price I wasn't going to argue. Thought I'd hate the caps, but they're fine. The PBT doesn't seem to get dirty so easily either.



I'd like to second that. Sounds like 45g Topre switches are what you're looking for.

eames
May 9, 2009


El Marrow posted:

I'd like to second that. Sounds like 45g Topre switches are what you're looking for.

Topre sounds nice but they're so expensive. Do the membranes wear out over time like rubberdomes?

El Marrow
Jan 21, 2009

Everybody here is just as dead as you.

eames posted:

Topre sounds nice but they're so expensive. Do the membranes wear out over time like rubberdomes?

They're pretty much in line with Cherry switches in terms of longevity, so not really. You'll get your money's worth.

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009

Ugh, I just found one on amazon that looks to be perfect (I have a Das brown MX now, but is getting kinda old). But there are MX Browns keyboards out there with shiny RGB LED poo poo. Should I go for the shiny ones or is the Topre that much better? I like the Brown MX-es, but I never tried Topre to be honest. Wait? buy? Get gaming-shiny-leds-multimedia keys that i'd never use one?

The lack of USB passthrough is a bit of a bummer though, as I do use that quite often with usb keys. But not a deal-breaker.

leper khan
Dec 28, 2010
Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

eames posted:

Topre sounds nice but they're so expensive. Do the membranes wear out over time like rubberdomes?

Rubber domes go bad because the conductive pads disintegrate. Topres are actuated by the change in capacitance of a coil housed in the dome.

Eventually the dome itself will wear out, but not for an exceptionally long time.

foutre
Sep 4, 2011

:toot: RIP ZEEZ :toot:
Ended up getting a tester of various tactile switches, and ended up liking the MOD - SH best (well, it ended up being kind of a toss up between that and an Aristotle switch, but the latter seems way harder to find). It was interesting to see how that vs Zealios vs Clears felt different, thanks for the various reccs. Ended up swapping the ones I liked into a keychain to bring around and try out/click while bored.

From googling around, it looks like that pretty much means I'm pretty committed to putting together a keyboard myself vs buying one.

Am I right in thinking that's the way to go? Also, are there any goto resources I should look at for a tutorial on this stuff, slash reccs for where to get the rest of the components?

Nondescript Van
May 2, 2007

Gats N Party Hats :toot:

foutre posted:

Ended up getting a tester of various tactile switches, and ended up liking the MOD - SH best (well, it ended up being kind of a toss up between that and an Aristotle switch, but the latter seems way harder to find). It was interesting to see how that vs Zealios vs Clears felt different, thanks for the various reccs. Ended up swapping the ones I liked into a keychain to bring around and try out/click while bored.

From googling around, it looks like that pretty much means I'm pretty committed to putting together a keyboard myself vs buying one.

Am I right in thinking that's the way to go? Also, are there any goto resources I should look at for a tutorial on this stuff, slash reccs for where to get the rest of the components?

Putting together a board is pretty easy these days. If you're gonna go 60% sized, mechanicalkeyboards.com has some pubs and cases you could look at. A switch plate is optional but your switches need the pcb mount spikes be stable (which I believe a mod switches have). The mechanical keyboards subreddit has good sources. Some searching would also turn up some complete diy kits with plates, case, pcb, etc.

Megalixir
Nov 10, 2007

Vanillaware ltd.

eames posted:

Topre sounds nice but they're so expensive. Do the membranes wear out over time like rubberdomes?

The rubber dome sheet does deteriorate over time. I had a HHKB Pro 2 (non-Type S) and it felt terrible, manufactured in 2006 and heavily used. Type-S brand new is amazing though.

Also, if you're going for the 55g TKL, I'd actually recommend white, as the black one has QC issues (well, mine did).

Megabound
Oct 20, 2012


I was waiting for the Plum 87 to come back in stock, but I just signed up with this and the Halo True switches. It's replacing a Ducky with reds that'll probably go to work.

El Marrow
Jan 21, 2009

Everybody here is just as dead as you.
If you haven't seen, the Yuri keycap set finally went live on Massdrop. Only $500 for the full set!

That's ridiculous.

teethgrinder
Oct 9, 2002

And it's apparently selling. Geez.

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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how are you guys getting $500?



colorway (or gmk in general) isn't my thing, but that's a full set that's about to drop to $119.

El Marrow
Jan 21, 2009

Everybody here is just as dead as you.

surebet posted:

how are you guys getting $500?



colorway (or gmk in general) isn't my thing, but that's a full set that's about to drop to $119.

If you want it decked out with the extras and whatnot, it's close to $500. I wouldn't spend that much on a base set without getting the extras like Ergodox and the CCCP novelty caps.

The ergodox set is $80. I'm just not paying that much for little plastic buttons. To each his own. It's just not for me, though I've been waiting for this drop for nearly a year.

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Jan 10, 2013

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well yeah if you want the international kit and the cyrilics kit and the dvorak kit (plus everything else) it adds up to $500, but that's the same as any other drop

pretty sure you can entirely skip the base kit though, i think you'd be good ergo & cyrilics kits for that full :ussr: flavor. that'll knock you somewhere between $125 and $145, add novelties to taste after.

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