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Captain Log posted:I wasn't in the thread last night. Any thoughts on Maia looking flat? I thought he would do his thing better than that. Has to be the most "We are completely out of options" title shot ever. Maia said post fight that Masvidal had the best BJJ he's encountered in the octagon. Masvidal's defensive game was loving incredible last night. Being on defense all night won't win fights, but it was still impressive.
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May 15, 2017 05:28
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Soothing Vapors posted:
I agree. I could make a compelling case for all of those scores.
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May 15, 2017 05:34
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I don't remember Masvidal doing anything in the first round except at the very end when he was on top.
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May 15, 2017 05:50
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Tezcatlipoca posted:I don't remember Masvidal doing anything in the first round except at the very end when he was on top. Maia also was never close to a sub. It's true that masvidal had about 20 seconds of positional dominance but he did like 99% of the damage in the roun and the shots landed clean and extremely hard.
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May 15, 2017 05:54
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The only weakness Joanna's shown is a tendency to deviate from her gameplan and lose focus when people put her under heavy pressure in the pocket--it's where KK hurt her, where Gadelha got her down and controlled her, and while Andrade barely accomplished anything, the few good punches she had came from Joanna losing her distance control, getting brawly and getting clipped. Rose is good at unrelenting pressure and forcing a fight into the clinch, so if she has a path to victory I'd say that's it--trying to cut Joanna's movement off, get in the pocket and either brawl with her or try to drag her to the ground. But that is much easier said than done and Joanna in all likelihood cuts her up all fight.
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May 15, 2017 06:02
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Skip My Posts posted:remember when Rory schooled Maia and Woodley back to back?
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May 15, 2017 06:49
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Captain Log posted:I wasn't in the thread last night. Any thoughts on Maia looking flat? I thought he would do his thing better than that. Has to be the most "We are completely out of options" title shot ever. It's not even the weirdest one in that division. He's on a long streak stretching over three years, and Welterweight has seen Dan Hardy get a shot. Josh Koscheck's title shot happened off a three fight win streak, as did Robbie Lawler's. As it goes, a 7 fight win streak is pretty goddamn respectable. With regards to him looking flat, he's 39. He's aged really well and better than someone as one dimensional as him should have. It may be time is finally catching up to him.
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May 15, 2017 06:55
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Demon maia is my frriend and he is strong and fair and cool
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May 15, 2017 08:21
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Snowman_McK posted:It's not even the weirdest one in that division. He's on a long streak stretching over three years, and Welterweight has seen Dan Hardy get a shot. Josh Koscheck's title shot happened off a three fight win streak, as did Robbie Lawler's. As it goes, a 7 fight win streak is pretty goddamn respectable. i can't believe i'm reading this poo poo about a guy that made gunnar nelson look like he'd never rolled in his life, took condit's head off, and yeah he looked not great while standing, but masvidal is an elite fighter, and still couldn't stop maia from doing basically whatever he wanted with enough consistency to wear out masvidal and make a case for winning every round. the guy is stronger than ever, somehow, and a serious contender who if woodley isn't really loving careful, could well be ww champion.
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May 15, 2017 08:27
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Marching Powder posted:the guy is stronger than ever, somehow, and a serious contender who if woodley isn't really loving careful, could well be ww champion. more cautious than he has been will be very boring
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May 15, 2017 09:00
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SquirrelGrip posted:more cautious than he has been will be very boring Lol, but putting your back to the cage against demian Maia seems like a really stupid idea so I'm optimistic
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May 15, 2017 09:08
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There was a moment from back mount where Maia was parallel to the ground. It was the loving weirdest thing I've seen since the RoseBar.
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May 15, 2017 11:21
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Marching Powder posted:Maia also was never close to a sub. It's true that masvidal had about 20 seconds of positional dominance but he did like 99% of the damage in the roun and the shots landed clean and extremely hard. Damage has nothing to do with the old scoring system and Maia dominated that round. That's part of the new system. Under the new scoring system you could argue more that it was Masvidal's round, but it was absolutely Maia's under the old. And although Maia didn't get a sub in, that's more due to Masvidal's defense which he complimented after the fight. He was constantly attacking from that back mount and it's more a testament to Masvidal that he didn't get choked out.
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May 15, 2017 14:07
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Not at all fair to say that Maia did nothing with that back mount. Putting a fighter on 100% defensive for 3.5 minutes is something. To ride back mount like that while constantly digging for a choke should probably score about the same as controlling the striking and winning exchanges without landing much in the way of major strikes.
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May 15, 2017 14:26
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Woodley would flatten maia. Does anyone think Maias single is really that good?
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May 15, 2017 15:10
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I was never a huge Frankie Edgar fan in the past, but god drat after that squash of Yair and his post fight interview I became a huge supporter. That was a masterful performance.
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May 15, 2017 15:24
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Nierbo posted:Woodley would flatten maia. Does anyone think Maias single is really that good? Yes. I mean yeah he could get knocked out but it's totally a winnable fight for him I think.
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May 15, 2017 15:26
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attackmole posted:Yes. Winnable enough for Maia and cool enough in the event of Maia win to be worth watching. Actually, as I can't see Woodley winning a decision, a Woodley win would likely be cool too. It'll be either a savage KO, a savage submission, or a humiliating smothering. All three outcomes are good.
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May 15, 2017 15:29
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Skip My Posts posted:remember when Rory schooled Maia and Woodley back to back? I thought for sure he'd end up champ one day.
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May 15, 2017 15:37
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CommonShore posted:Winnable enough for Maia and cool enough in the event of Maia win to be worth watching. Or they both get tired and lay on top of each other.
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May 15, 2017 15:44
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CarlCX posted:The only weakness Joanna's shown is a tendency to deviate from her gameplan and lose focus when people put her under heavy pressure in the pocket--it's where KK hurt her, where Gadelha got her down and controlled her, and while Andrade barely accomplished anything, the few good punches she had came from Joanna losing her distance control, getting brawly and getting clipped. Rose is good at unrelenting pressure and forcing a fight into the clinch, so if she has a path to victory I'd say that's it--trying to cut Joanna's movement off, get in the pocket and either brawl with her or try to drag her to the ground. andrade hit her approx 5-10 times and joannas face looked like a bunch of aliens were going to hatch and burst out of it. technique can be learned
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May 15, 2017 15:59
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Nierbo posted:Woodley would flatten maia. Does anyone think Maias single is really that good? His lateral drop is pretty good.
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May 15, 2017 16:04
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Nierbo posted:Woodley would flatten maia. Does anyone think Maias single is really that good? Maias single is ridiculously good because he doesn't care about traditionally finishing it. Once he gets that leg he doesn't give a poo poo how he gets to the canvas---I'm pretty sure I've seen him grab leg and pull his opponent on top of himself into half guard. He doesn't always turn the corner like a traditional wrestler does. It makes it hard to step out of even if you're Jake shields.
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May 15, 2017 16:30
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TheRationalRedditor posted:Yes. He was very extremely good once he found his footing, I hope his nose heals well enough for him to attain 100% confidence again At least in the Wonderboy fight I think the problem was that he was look for Wonderboy to lead so we could counter/work for a takedown, and Wonderboy was looking for Rory to lead. At the time I put the blame partially on Rory but after wonderboy's last two I am sure it is 100% wonderboy's fault
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May 15, 2017 16:31
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Agreed but Rory did look a lil gun shy and when his nose got hit again even more so
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May 15, 2017 16:35
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stipe, joanna and frankie are cool.
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May 15, 2017 16:44
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Gay Horney posted:Maias single is ridiculously good because he doesn't care about traditionally finishing it. Once he gets that leg he doesn't give a poo poo how he gets to the canvas---I'm pretty sure I've seen him grab leg and pull his opponent on top of himself into half guard. He doesn't always turn the corner like a traditional wrestler does. It makes it hard to step out of even if you're Jake shields. I was surprised by how much Masvidal was willing to hang out in loose half guard, but I guess his confidence didn't let him down completely.
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May 15, 2017 18:09
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I.N.R.I posted:andrade hit her approx 5-10 times and joannas face looked like a bunch of aliens were going to hatch and burst out of it. technique can be learned My pops ducking loves Joanna but he calls her the alien. It's loving apt.
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May 15, 2017 18:15
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What is cool for fight fans is that Joanna probably hasn't hit her peak of improvement yet due to just moving to a real high end camp. She can probably clear out 115 by the time 125 starts up and she can go for the second belt. Someone like Andrade could probably take over at 115 then given how young she is.
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May 15, 2017 18:24
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Masvidal did well to not get finished. Most dudes in that spot get choked within a minute. He just didn't do enough to win when he was able to get anything in
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May 15, 2017 18:30
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Nierbo posted:Woodley would flatten maia. Does anyone think Maias single is really that good? Maia seems to have a been blessed with a bit of the funk like Ben Askren. It looks awkward but he just get's people down.
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May 15, 2017 18:57
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Nifft posted:Maia seems to have a been blessed with a bit of the funk like Ben Askren. It looks awkward but he just get's people down. I would say his movements are supremely conventional BJJ position/control oriented. Like the average amount of open space he leaves between his and his opponent's body has got to be the lowest on the roster. His transitions are always super solid, and not surprising or unorthodox.
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May 15, 2017 19:03
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I won't be surprised with Maia outgrappling anyone ever especially after hearing Frank Mir praise him so much. For those that haven't heard, Frank Mir's response when asked about rolling with Maia was "oh yeah he totally raped me. He could have had his way with me and there was nothing I could do about it."
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May 15, 2017 21:04
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Mr. Nice! posted:I won't be surprised with Maia outgrappling anyone ever especially after hearing Frank Mir praise him so much. For those that haven't heard, Frank Mir's response when asked about rolling with Maia was "oh yeah he totally raped me. He could have had his way with me and there was nothing I could do about it." Is maia also his wifes name
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May 15, 2017 21:14
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Mr. Nice! posted:I won't be surprised with Maia outgrappling anyone ever especially after hearing Frank Mir praise him so much. For those that haven't heard, Frank Mir's response when asked about rolling with Maia was "oh yeah he totally raped me. He could have had his way with me and there was nothing I could do about it." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwjvf0MQmLQ&t=198s "send my mail here, this is my new location"
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May 15, 2017 21:25
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Nierbo posted:Woodley would flatten maia. Does anyone think Maias single is really that good? For five minutes he's the most dangerous takedown artist p4p and his single is unbelievable as evidenced by him putting everyone he's fought at ww down including Rory, Gunnar, masvidal et al
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May 15, 2017 22:29
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His single leg actually got way better after the Rory fight imo. After that is when he started doing the weird positioning poo poo he does where he'll wrap you up and effectively fall backwards. Woodley is just so loving huge and strong and could definitely KO Maia if he takes as many shots as he did from Masvidal.
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May 15, 2017 22:36
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Maia's takedowns are really good because he switches between bjj and wrestling techniques/positions really fluidly. Usually when someone shoots and gets sprawled out into half guard that means the takedown was defended well. With Maia you're in just as much danger from a position that usually means you're safe.
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May 15, 2017 22:38
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masvidal made himself look legit by beating up two old guys and another out of class LW in cerrone but hes really not a stud ww IMO
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May 15, 2017 22:45
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Bundt Cake posted:masvidal made himself look legit by beating up two old guys and another out of class LW in cerrone but hes really not a stud ww IMO I get wha you're saying but arguably beating Larkin and Maia makes you a stud at ww. Masvidal will be remembered for all the great fighters he arguably beat.
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May 15, 2017 22:51
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