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JBP posted:You can turn that poo poo into a pretty decent passive income, work part time and do poetry. Any decent sites or books to read for this?
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Doctor Spaceman posted:It's going to be a bit more cyclical than some other areas because of the Uni but that's not unrepresentative of the inner suburbs at all. I just put that in because it's where my Sydney office is and I have a rough mental measure of the area. Ora Tzo posted:Any decent sites or books to read for this? Somethingawful.com
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Kafka Syrup posted:By whom and against whom? Every person on that panel is a current heckle risk. http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment...515-gw5076.html Uni Students over Fed budget and being vetted out Bogan King posted:You and Milky taking it IRL? I respect this post.
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May 15, 2017 06:29
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Oh get hosed. At least NSW ALP will finally have something they can make a stand on? 
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Say what you will about Queensland but the people here telling most governments that try to privatise services to get hosed is our best trait.
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Anidav posted:Say what you will about Queensland but the people here telling most governments that try to privatise services to get hosed is our best trait. Counterpoint Reddit posted:So I fled DV on the 12th of March as my ex would beat and rape me. I've been living at one of my families homes, now in all my court documents it says they are not allowed to know where I live.
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May 15, 2017 06:46
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Bus services not provided the state are apparently better than this region by a long margin.
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Bogan King posted:Counterpoint Good point. Privitise the Police. Nationalise everything else.
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Kafka Syrup posted:Good point. Privitise the Police. Nationalise everything else. Privatise the army, imagine how much money we'd save if we sold the lot to some mercenary group!
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Toiletgraph posted:Deluge of complaints put Inner West bus services off road
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Kafka Syrup posted:Privitise the Police. They were actually considering doing this in the UK. [For small rural areas] Poor sods.
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Sure it starts in small rural areas, but once Serco have shown that they can run the Birdsville police station successfully it would be unfair not to let them tender for the Sydney contract.
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open24hours posted:Sure it starts in small rural areas, but once Serco have shown that they can run the Birdsville police station successfully it would be unfair not to lend them tender for the Sydney contract. why would you deny the metropolitan areas the chance for better quality of service?
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You mean those latte belt elitists? They can get hosed and suffer the poo poo that their tax dollars are paying for. Let the free market pass them by.
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Recoome posted:Speaking about how poo poo NSW is, here's a cool analysis about the new NAPLAN component of the HSC. This is a few days old but as someone with some knowledge on this i can give some insight as I've dealt with this a bit in WA, WA was first cab off the ranks and started doing this a few years ago. WA last year (2016) had the first year when the OLNA (online literacy and numeracy) test was required to be completed in order to get your year 12 cert. I'm not 100% sure on the reasoning behind the change but from what i remember: - Students were going into uni with good grades in schools but unis found they were not properly literate to complete university correctly. - There was a need to identify individuals who needed to do more remedial courses instead of the standard ones - There was a desire for the year 12 certificate to actually have a base standard instead of essentially a 'hey you showed up to school' certificate. The interaction with Naplan is pretty simple, if you get the band 8 in year 9 you don't need to sit the olna as you have already passed. If you don't have band 8 then you need to sit the olna, WA runs it twice a year, and you can start it in year 10. Once you've passed it once you've passed so don't need to resit it. Passing the OLNA is required (amongst other things) to graduate and get your WACE (western australian certificate of education). The ONLA test is basically a test for basic levels of reading writing and numeracy, enough to function properly in society, its not high level stuff. What was the result? Well the % of kids who 'graduated' year 12 last year was lower, not by much but enough to cut out some of the kids who didn't meet the base standard. There was some complaints but nothing major. Its continuing in 2017 and from what I've heard most other states are looking at doing it. The complaints about state/country wide testing i see some validation too, but in my opinion the reasons is that testing that allows comparisons across schools is continually identifying issues in how and what schools are teaching and how they mark that. What is the point of giving out grades to students if an A at one school is worth a C at another. Or schools have 'very deep Cs' so that no kid fails even when they don't meet the standards. There usually is very good reasons behind all this testing, just the hope is it doesn't get warped into weird stuff. Although in my opinion the 'issues' with testing is usually caused by the schools themselves as they use their success in tests like NAPLAN or year 12 graduation to advertise and bring in more money / better teachers etc. Education is a business and it warps some of the outcomes of this testing in weird ways that were not anticipated. Don't be surprised if there is a test introduced for year 1 or pre-primary kids in the future in order to identify the kids early who are already behind their peers and to put them into some learning courses. Otherwise they get left behind. The earlier you identify and target kids the better outcomes you get. And yes schools do have kids who show up who are functioning at a 2 year old level (not speaking sentences, not toilet trained) so its good to be able to identify and get kids put into a specialised course with specialised teachers.
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Gorndar posted:The earlier you identify and target kids the better outcomes you get. And yes schools do have kids who show up who are functioning at a 2 year old level (not speaking sentences, not toilet trained) so its good to be able to identify and get kids put into a specialised course with specialised teachers. If it's used this way I can't see a problem. When it's used just to put a number on a webpage it's a bullshit waste of time and money.
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Gorndar posted:And yes schools do have kids who show up who are functioning at a 2 year old level (not speaking sentences, not toilet trained) so its good to be able to identify and get kids put into a specialised course with specialised teachers. Don't discriminate against my poorly raised child.
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They already do testing in prep. Kids are already identified for problems early on and moved into specialist programs. These aren't issues that exist, and forcing more tests on kids earlier is essentially politicians just going, 'we can't do nothing, we have to do something! Let's do this!.' There needs to be more funding for the specialist programs, and the training and pay of those specialists than on the diagnostics.
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A good friend of mine is a professional physicist. He has a doctorate in physics and is honestly probably one of the smartest people I have ever met. He failed year 12 English, luckily when he went through there were other pathways for year 12s who failed English. Removing those pathways is a loving awful idea. NAPLAN tests are a fine idea, but they can't be used as a basis for assessment of capability, they're great as a snapshot but as soon as it becomes important schools will have to prep students for them and they'll lose all meaning.
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JBP posted:Is this satire? Caleb was struggling to explain to his mum why he was looking at her photos all day. Running her facebook fan club is a good outlet for him.
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hooman posted:A good friend of mine is a professional physicist. He has a doctorate in physics and is honestly probably one of the smartest people I have ever met. He failed year 12 English, luckily when he went through there were other pathways for year 12s who failed English. Removing those pathways is a loving awful idea. They're not taking away bridging courses or mature age entry are they?
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Ah yes Penrith buses, the shining beacon of great transport.
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Tokamak posted:Caleb was struggling to explain to his mum why he was looking at her photos all day. Running her facebook fan club is a good outlet for him. Please, we're still not sure if Beautiful Daisy hasn't created this for herself because no one else - not even Caleb - would.
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open24hours posted:They're not taking away bridging courses or mature age entry are they? I was talking about NSW linking HSC to Naplan results. No Naplan pass, no HSC mark. Haven't heard anything in the like in WA thankfully. EDIT: Should have been clear I was talking about the original article that started discussion.
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open24hours posted:They're not taking away bridging courses or mature age entry are they? I think you may be missing the point
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hooman posted:I was talking about NSW linking HSC to Naplan results. No Naplan pass, no HSC mark. Haven't heard anything in the like in WA thankfully. If you failed Year 12 English wouldn't that mean you failed your HSC, meaning you'd have to do a bridging course anyway?
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open24hours posted:If you failed Year 12 English wouldn't that mean you failed your HSC, meaning you'd have to do a bridging course anyway? Yes. The problem is they're doing this testing in year 9. How do you get into HSC streamed subjects if at year 9 level you're ineligible for an HSC mark?
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open24hours posted:If you failed Year 12 English wouldn't that mean you failed your HSC, meaning you'd have to do a bridging course anyway? The intent is also that if the only reason you didn't get your HSC (or whatever it is in the other states) you can sit the test afterwards and then get your certificate. I know WA is doing that, essentially kids who didn't graduate because of not passing the OLNA can still sit it afterwards and when they pass it they will get their y12 graduation cert.
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If you're not so good at school by year 9 maybe you should leave at the end of year 10 and get one of those well respected trades that will allow you to buy a house by the time you're 23?
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Bogan King posted:If you're not so good at school by year 9 maybe you should leave at the end of year 10 and get one of those well respected trades that will allow you to buy a house by the time you're 23? Mate you don't need no fancy book learning to negative gear an investment property.
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hooman posted:Yes. The problem is they're doing this testing in year 9. Is the plan to deny kids the chance to enroll in those subjects though? I haven't read the report yet but I didn't get that impression from the news articles.
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hooman posted:Yes. The problem is they're doing this testing in year 9. Ahh the article isn't that clear, there is tests you can do in year 10/11/12 that will let you 'pass' it allowing you to get your HSC mark. I am unsure if NSW is restricting HSC streamed subjects if you don't pass, but i know from WA there is no reason why you can't do all ATAR (equivalent to HSC stream) even if you do not get band 8 in year 9 naplan (in fact the majority don't get it as band 8 is ahead of minimum standards in year 9). Essentially you can do a test afterwards to make sure you graduate. How you do in naplan shouldn't affect your choices for subjects that give you uni entry, naplan just lets you skip that step if you achieve high enough in year 9 (meaning you are ahead of the curve anyway).
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JBP posted:Bus services not provided the state are apparently better than this region by a long margin. I don't know, when the State provides you with a 500 metre bus route, it can't be that bad. How will the good people of Kingsford and Daceyville survive without the 342? 
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open24hours posted:Is the plan to deny kids the chance to enroll in those subjects though? I haven't read the report yet but I didn't get that impression from the news articles. I'll take "unintended outcomes" for 500, thanks Jim. Or, I'll take "cynically intended unintended outcomes" for 1000. Basically my view is that it risks disenfranchisement of students (telling a kid in year 9 they can't get an HSC mark or risk a school saying "you won't get an HSC so we can't have you dragging down our HSC students by letting you do HSC streamed courses") for no actual benefit. Year 12 English when I did it was a crock of poo poo. I got one of the top marks in my year by cynically huffing farts about phallic symbolism, birth analogies and religious symbolism studying books I knew the examiners wouldn't have read and lying about them. My grammar is bad, punctuation is mostly a mystery and to me an "adverb" is a verb used in advertising, my writing is ugly and my spelling is merely ok. These kind of assessments are dumb and bad and I already think our education system is far to tied into this to accept that if someone isn't crash hot at comparative literature they're probably not going to be impaired in their career as a financial accountant (and vice versa, if someone doesn't know how percentages work, it's not going to be much of a hindrance to their philosophy degree.
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