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Evil_Urna posted:How do you propose keeping them from leaving? Or just using legal methods to off shore their money? Come up with a practical solution that does not involve Gulags, as I know you all are quite fond of them. What's wrong with them leaving? The whole point is taxing their income in the UK, that still happens if they live abroad but own businesses in the UK. Also you close those legal methods.
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Evil_Urna posted:How do you propose keeping them from leaving? Or just using legal methods to off shore their money? Come up with a practical solution that does not involve Gulags, as I know you all are quite fond of them. The wall.
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He's becoming the silent assassin. But, imho he should have used "make June the end of May" as the tagline.
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May 15, 2017 17:29
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Evil_Urna posted:How do you propose keeping them from leaving? Or just using legal methods to off shore their money? Come up with a practical solution that does not involve Gulags, as I know you all are quite fond of them. If they're already not paying tax, who the gently caress cares if they leave? Plus a huge amount of the money foreign investors have in Britain is physical stuff like London apartments. Good luck doing capital flight on literal bricks and mortar. Also, you know Britain and America used to have a 90% top rate of tax before without everyone rich leaving right?
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Should be worth a watch: https://twitter.com/Channel4/status/864149080297140224
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^^^ oh good a rerun of softball questions for the Tory, 'Putin would kick your arse in a fight m8' for Labour I hope he pressed her on it because 'nah people don't wanna see that' is such an easy dodge baka kaba fucked around with this message at 17:36 on May 15, 2017 |
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Evil_Urna posted:And France is financially on the ropes. You don't look at a dude falling down the stairs and think that looks fun and throw yourself down too. Seems like an exaggeration to say that France is on the ropes, unless you agree that the UK is equally on the ropes: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Government_finance_statistics You're also taking things to an extreme by suggesting a 90% tax rate, which nobody is actually proposing. And no, they don't have it in France.
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I think we may have found Pissflaps day job.
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Nah, the Sport is at least funny
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Pissflaps posted:He's been a communist party member for over 40 years and joined the Labor party in December. Yes, I am aware of this. I specifically asked for examples of his defence of Stalinism. I don't care that he was in the CPB, he's in the Labour Party now. I would however care about recent examples of him defending Stalinism because that's a thing I cannot abide one bit. It's quite a serious accusation to throw at a comrade.
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forkboy84 posted:replying to him STOP
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Praseodymi posted:What's wrong with communists? They should be in charge of everything. While UKCPHQ aka this thread has a view that Communism is the solution, the vast majority of people see Communists as enemies of the state. So having one in such a significant position is not going to down well. I expect the Tories to use it relentlessly as its another gift to them, although they are due another gift as Abbott has been quiet for a while.
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forkboy84 posted:Yes, I am aware of this. I specifically asked for examples of his defence of Stalinism. I don't care that he was in the CPB, he's in the Labour Party now. I would however care about recent examples of him defending Stalinism because that's a thing I cannot abide one bit. It's quite a serious accusation to throw at a comrade. If the British public by and large can't distinguish between Stalinism and Communism, why should Pissflaps?
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forkboy84 posted:Yes, I am aware of this. I specifically asked for examples of his defence of Stalinism. I don't care that he was in the CPB, he's in the Labour Party now. I would however care about recent examples of him defending Stalinism because that's a thing I cannot abide one bit. It's quite a serious accusation to throw at a comrade. It's good that you're 'aware' of this but you specifically said forkboy84 posted:He's not a Communist, he's a member of the Labour Party & has been for several months. which means you think people are going to be stupid enough to believe that a person who has been in the communist party for decades suddenly isn't a communist because Jeremy tapped him up for a job running the labour party's election campaign a few months ago. Brainless decisions like this are why labour is in the toilet.
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Evil_Urna posted:All of the major points in the manifesto (rail, getting rid of tuition, building 100k consul flats etc) that are impossible to pay Evil_Urna posted:The UK already has a major problem with the rich offshoring and hiding money. It is only gonna get worse of you decide to tax them at over 90 percent.
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Labour have also announced taxes on big business and on stock trading, funnily enough the party that wants to raise lots of money for public services has multiple ways of doing it, not just "tax rich people"
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Pissflaps posted:It's good that you're 'aware' of this but you specifically said I thought a pedantic like you would get the specific use of Communist to mean member of the Communist Party of Britain. He is a communist, he is no longer a Communist. The difference between proper nouns and common nouns, thought you'd appreciate that, apologies that you don't. Anyway, those defences of Stalinism?
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Namtab posted:I wonder what evil umas fave thing about the Nazis is, given his gimmick history I thought I was quite clear earlier. I am not even right wing. I am a centrist like most politically mature people. There are ups and downs with both sides in the US and UK, and you gotta comprise to make the system work. The entire parliamentary system is based on give and take to get done what the people need. Not once side taking total control and ruling by fiat.
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Evil_Urna posted:I thought I was quite clear earlier. I am not even right wing. I am a centrist like most politically mature people. There are ups and downs with both sides in the US and UK, and you gotta comprise to make the system work. The entire parliamentary system is based on give and take to get done what the people need. Not once side taking total control and ruling by fiat. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I don't even know where to begin
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TACD posted:These are two separate issues. People answered your first complaint and you responded by moving the goalposts. You're arguing in bad faith. They aren't wholly separate issues, they're linked by cause and effect. If you want to increase spending you need to increase revenue; this is indisputable. But you can't handwave it by saying "We'll increase taxes on the rich" when half the problem is that the rich are able to evade the taxes they should be paying now. Twice nothing is still nothing. This is where your second issue comes in: how do we stop the rich evading taxes? And really there's only one issue, because if the rich only paid what they're already due we'd have no need to raise the taxes further. Remember Dave Hartnett and his £4.3bn sweetheart deal with Vodafone? If they'd been made to pay that tax it would have paid for every single local authority cut in Britain. Christ, we could probably cut the corporation tax rate and still be rolling in it if we actually made companies pay it.
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As a thread role model i think stalinism is a good thing TO POOP ON!  
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Evil_Urna posted:I thought I was quite clear earlier. I am not even right wing. I am a centrist like most politically mature people. There are ups and downs with both sides in the US and UK, and you gotta comprise to make the system work. The entire parliamentary system is based on give and take to get done what the people need. Not once side taking total control and ruling by fiat. But do you think Hitler was right?
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forkboy84 posted:He is a communist, he is no longer a Communist. This is the most nuanced observation I've read in this thread for some time. For the avoidance of doubt: I don't give a flying gently caress if you or he are offended by the term 'Stalinist'.
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Evil_Urna posted:How do you propose keeping them from leaving? Or just using legal methods to off shore their money? Come up with a practical solution that does not involve Gulags, as I know you all are quite fond of them. The solution to parasites in your economy is not simply to leave them there, or do what May is doing and replace them with parasites of the Saudi Arabian kind.
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Pissflaps posted:This is the most nuanced observation I've read in this thread for some time. What a badass
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Pissflaps posted:This is the most nuanced observation I've read in this thread for some time. That's because you tend not to read nuance.
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Namtab posted:But do you think Hitler was right? Depends if he left the nazi party in December or not.
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Oberleutnant posted:Y'all aint never gonna learn My name is Jeremy pissflaps and I don't give a FUK what u think.
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Namtab posted:But do you think Hitler was right? Where did I say that? And what does a mid 20th century German dictator have anything to do with 2017 British politics? I dont think this thread needs any more derails. Dead Cosmonaut posted:The solution to parasites in your economy is not simply to leave them there, or do what May is doing and replace them with parasites of the Saudi Arabian kind. When someone has large amounts of income, they tend to be able to just pick up and leave and make a go of it somewhere where they are not going to suffer vindictive taxation just because they are good at what they do.
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Namtab posted:My name is Jeremy pissflaps and I don't give a FUK what u think. Good reference, A+
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Evil_Urna posted:Where did I say that? And what does a mid 20th century German dictator have anything to do with 2017 British politics? I dont think this thread needs any more derails. Having a functioning welfare state and NHS by taxing high earners at 50% is not "vindictive" you right-wing bellend.
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Evil_Urna posted:How do you propose keeping them from leaving? Or just using legal methods to off shore their money? Come up with a practical solution that does not involve Gulags, as I know you all are quite fond of them. Most of us don't support gulags. We've moved on to just wanting your kind put up against a wall and shot.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Most of us don't support gulags. We've moved on to just wanting your kind put up against a wall and shot. Why would you want to murder a centrist? We make up the majority of the electorate. Kind of hard to have an economy and pay for your expansive welfare state when all of your earners are dead.
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Evil_Urna posted:vindictive taxation loollllll cunttttttttt *millions of comedy trumpets fall from ceiling and start going toot* Evil_Urna posted:Why would you want to murder a centrist? We make up the majority of the electorate. Kind of hard to have an economy and pay for your expansive welfare state when all of your earners are dead. For a laugh.
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Evil_Urna posted:Where did I say that? And what does a mid 20th century German dictator have anything to do with 2017 British politics? I dont think this thread needs any more derails. Look I'm not the one with the "ironic" Nazi gimmick. I just want to know why you like Hitler so much. (Also 20th century European history is totally relevant to British politics, some part of brexit is old people thinking that the eu is Germany's way of trying to rule over people, except economically instead of militarily. A thing you'd know if you weren't some yank chatting poo poo)
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Corbyn just finished speaking up here in the lib dem/labour marginal of Leeds north west. The turnout was very decent, especially considering the lack of social media promotion and heavy rain. Most of the talking points included what we saw in the leaked manifesto i.e. the state of the nhs, education ranging from primary up to university, council housing, homelessness, rights of eu nationals currently residing in Britain and tax rates for the high earners/corporations. It's the first time I've seen him speaking live and it was an incredibly well delivered speech that got a good reaction from the crowd. However, the issue is getting that support from tory seats, which looking at the current polls, is not looking good.
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