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Mike_V posted:Wow, I didn't realize Billy Hamilton already has 19 SB in just 34 games. What's a realistic outcome if he can stay healthy, 90? He'll get hit in the kneecap by a mustachioed man named Hickey Renderson first.
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If the Cardinals acquired Hamilton he would have about 8 SB at this point.
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May 15, 2017 17:49
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I would be extremely impressed if a guy who gets on base 30% of the time stole 100 bases. It makes me wonder what the lowest OBP and highest SB combination is.
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May 15, 2017 17:55
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Derek Jeter is literally the 10th best shortstop in the history of Major League Baseball by WAR.
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May 15, 2017 18:01
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tadashi posted:If he can realistically get on pace for 90, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Reds cut him loose and try for 100, as long as they don't worry about him getting injured. Billy Hamilton is the most frustrating player in the history of baseball because if he had literally one offensive skill other than running fast he would be amazing. I wonder how many players in modern baseball history have stolen more bases than they have drawn walks. It's probably a short list.
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May 15, 2017 18:04
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Mike_V posted:Wow, I didn't realize Billy Hamilton already has 19 SB in just 34 games. What's a realistic outcome if he can stay healthy, 90? R.D. Mangles posted:Billy loving Hamilton, CF
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May 15, 2017 18:05
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Jeter's a HoFer, but I think it's fair to say he wouldn't be a first-ballot near-unanimous guy if he wasn't a Yankee. His case is based on longevity and counting stats rather than peak performance and the Yankees kept him at/near the top of the lineup for 5 seasons after he'd become a below-average player.
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May 15, 2017 18:06
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Paul Zuvella posted:
Vince Coleman. Also in the lead for Low OBP (.301) and high SB (107) for his year in 1986. He got on base 200 times and stole 107 bases. Lou Brock had more SB than BB too. Thom P. Tiers fucked around with this message at 18:16 on May 15, 2017 |
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May 15, 2017 18:08
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Julio Cruz posted:Jeter's a HoFer, but I think it's fair to say he wouldn't be a first-ballot near-unanimous guy if he wasn't a Yankee. His case is based on longevity and counting stats rather than peak performance and the Yankees kept him at/near the top of the lineup for 5 seasons after he'd become a below-average player. Derek Jeter was a "below average" hitter for literally 3 seasons. His first, his last, and 2010. In 2012 he had an OBP of .368 and was the third highest on the team. He was 38.
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May 15, 2017 18:10
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I hate the fact that I am on here defending Derek Jeter because he is boring as poo poo and couldnt field to save his life, but maybe don't make up facts when you're complaining about him!
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May 15, 2017 18:13
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Reminds me of a Cards farmhand named Esix Snead, dude could have been an absolute terror if he just could have slashed around 270/315/375 or so.
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May 15, 2017 18:13
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Paul Zuvella posted:Derek Jeter is literally the 10th best shortstop in the history of Major League Baseball by WAR. and nondescript Mike Trout is set to surpass his career WAR by his age 28 season  this is not intended to be a criticism of Jeter, just an eyepopping number from Trout
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May 15, 2017 18:15
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Poque posted:and nondescript Mike Trout is set to surpass his career WAR by his age 28 season At a certain point we are going to need just a thread for Mike Trout Facts.
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May 15, 2017 18:18
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Alex Gordon is slugging, slugging .192. What in the loving world happened to him? I can get behind the idea that the Royals bought high on him after a couple of his better years and he was probably going to regress, but he still shouldn't have just turned into this absolutely horrid player at the plate.
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May 15, 2017 18:19
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Paul Zuvella posted:Billy Hamilton is the most frustrating player in the history of baseball because if he had literally one offensive skill other than running fast he would be amazing. Without looking Juan Pierre has to be on that list.
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May 15, 2017 18:20
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Paul Zuvella posted:Billy Hamilton is the most frustrating player in the history of baseball because if he had literally one offensive skill other than running fast he would be amazing. I went to look this up and discovered there was a second Billy Hamilton in the 1800s, and this one had 100+ steals in a season three times.  he is a hall of famer so this is probably only news to me
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May 15, 2017 18:20
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Paul Zuvella posted:Billy Hamilton is the most frustrating player in the history of baseball because if he had literally one offensive skill other than running fast he would be amazing. Peter Bourjos in 2010. E: Allan Lewis has 44 career SB and 1 walk ever. Pancakes fucked around with this message at 18:30 on May 15, 2017 |
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May 15, 2017 18:25
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I firmly believe that if Jeter doesn't shatter his ankle in the 2012 ALCS he could have lasted another season or so
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May 15, 2017 18:25
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Jeter should have taken steroids and hit more homeruns.
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May 15, 2017 18:28
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Julio Cruz posted:Jeter's a HoFer, but I think it's fair to say he wouldn't be a first-ballot near-unanimous guy if he wasn't a Yankee. His case is based on longevity and counting stats rather than peak performance and the Yankees kept him at/near the top of the lineup for 5 seasons after he'd become a below-average player. There's a serious debate on my facebook timeline about whether or not he deserves to be the first unanimous HOFer and I want to die.
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May 15, 2017 18:29
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Spoeank posted:There's a serious debate on my facebook timeline about whether or not he deserves to be the first unanimous HOFer and I want to die. The answer is no because there are tons of players before him that deserved it.
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May 15, 2017 18:31
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If Ken Griffey or Greg Maddux didn't get it nobody does until Mike Trout, if he keeps this up, when he's up for HOF candidacy
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May 15, 2017 18:32
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If there's a player who's been active since my birth ('83) who deserves unanimous HOF, it's Pedro Martinez, not Jeter.
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May 15, 2017 18:32
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Pancakes posted:Peter Bourjos in 2010. Update: Matt Alexander had 103 career SB versus 18 BB. E: And Don Hopkins had 21 and 2, respectively.
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May 15, 2017 18:34
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Pancakes posted:Peter Bourjos in 2010. Man I thought Bourjos was going to be amazing after his 2011 season. Then some new kid had to come up and steal his job in CF.
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May 15, 2017 18:34
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Spoeank posted:If Ken Griffey or Greg Maddux didn't get it nobody does until Mike Trout, if he keeps this up, when he's up for HOF candidacy Hot take: Mike Trout is already a HoF player.
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May 15, 2017 18:35
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Spoeank posted:If Ken Griffey or Greg Maddux didn't get it nobody does until Mike Trout, if he keeps this up, when he's up for HOF candidacy Pujols? Although god drat he is hot trash right now. The Angels have now officially paid more money into Pujols' career earnings than the Cardinals. Cardinals paid 104m over 11 years for: 328/420/617 good for 170 OPS+ Angels have paid 126m over 6 years (including this year) for: 265/323/469 food for 121 OPS+ Thom P. Tiers fucked around with this message at 18:44 on May 15, 2017 |
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May 15, 2017 18:36
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Thom P. Tiers posted:Pujols? Although god drat he is hot trash right now. The Angels in general are so bad that they have a team WAR of 2.9 even though Trout alone has been worth 2.5.
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May 15, 2017 18:38
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The answer SHOULD be Barry Bonds, but that's probably too obvious.
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May 15, 2017 18:41
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Tony Campana had more stolen bases than walks every year he played in the majors. Over 3 partial MLB season Campana had 66 SB and 27 BB with 2 HBP.
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May 15, 2017 18:43
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Matt Alexander's 1975 season is weird and adorable. 63 games, 11 plate appearances, 17 stolen bases, 10 caught stealing, 1 walk, 1 hit, -0.5 WAR and -17 OPS+.
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May 15, 2017 18:49
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Poque posted:and nondescript Mike Trout is set to surpass his career WAR by his age 28 season This is also a good criticism of MLB and how they're wasting marketing resources on a great but not all-time great guy who retired last year instead of focusing on promoting an all-time great who is not yet even in his prime years.
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May 15, 2017 18:57
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iospace posted:but by no means would they do the hours long circle jerk about him. This is where people are really loving losing me on the Jeter hate train. ESPN televised a retirement ceremony put on by the Yankees. ESPN didn't retire his number, they didn't put together a show, they didn't put a plaque of him up in CF, the Yankees did. Regardless of how you think Jeter's entire career measures up to another player, the idea that in the Yankee pantheon he's anything less than a legend and the face of the franchise for a decade+ is loving ridiculous. I'll entertain the HoF arguments (I mean, he is a hall of famer) but when you talk about him going into monument park and say poo poo like "Yeah but Griffey had a better WAR!" you're just outing yourself as a moron. (ESPN is poo poo and should have televised Griffey's ceremoy too if they didn't.)
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May 15, 2017 18:59
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bewbies posted:This is also a good criticism of MLB and how they're wasting marketing resources on a great but not all-time great guy who retired last year instead of focusing on promoting an all-time great who is not yet even in his prime years. I was literally about to concur and point out there are other young greats as well like Altuve they could be rallying around but then a 5 Hour Energy commercial came on starring Jose Altuve so I guess they're throwing some marketing that way?
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May 15, 2017 19:01
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bewbies posted:This is also a good criticism of MLB and how they're wasting marketing resources on a great but not all-time great guy who retired last year instead of focusing on promoting an all-time great who is not yet even in his prime years. 95% of all MLB marketing goes towards the latest thing Tim Tebow did in the minors.
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May 15, 2017 19:03
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Reminds me of a Cards farmhand named Esix Snead, dude could have been an absolute terror if he just could have slashed around 270/315/375 or so. that's the 2nd most Cardinanls name ever Except for Stubby Clapp. Nobody will top Stubby Clapp.
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May 15, 2017 19:08
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Inspector_666 posted:This is where people are really loving losing me on the Jeter hate train. I'm annoyed that ESPN favors specific franchises when it comes to sentimentality for retiring players. I get it, Rivera and Jeter are Hall of Famers, but Ortiz, for instance, got a months-long love-fest from the national media while Todd Helton or Paul Konerko got ignored. I won't complain when they focus on Yadi in four years, but it'll be hypocritical of me. If you were a notable player on the Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals, Cubs, Dodgers or Giants then you're more likely to get a ton of attention. Otherwise I feel like ESPN doesn't give a drat.
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May 15, 2017 19:13
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Pancakes posted:I'm annoyed that ESPN favors specific franchises when it comes to sentimentality for retiring players. I get it, Rivera and Jeter are Hall of Famers, but Ortiz, for instance, got a months-long love-fest from the national media while Todd Helton or Paul Konerko got ignored. I won't complain when they focus on Yadi in four years, but it'll be hypocritical of me. If you were a notable player on the Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals, Cubs, Dodgers or Giants then you're more likely to get a ton of attention. Otherwise I feel like ESPN doesn't give a drat. Oh for sure, but I still don't see how that disqualifies Jeter from having earned his plaque, which seems to be the argument some people are making.
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ego symphonic posted:Hot take: Mike Trout is already a HoF player. Agreed, but not unanimously. Thom P. Tiers posted:Pujols? Although god drat he is hot trash right now. Pujols unanimous? Hell no
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Why the gently caress does anyone care what or what is not on ESPN these days, their broadcasts are garbage.
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