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Moltrey posted:A neat thing I found while looking into our friend Yuuki Mishima, is that some believe he's a reference to author Yukio Mishima, who wrote a famous book, Confessions of a Mask. A book about an awkward, weak boy struggling to fit into Japanese society while discovering he's gay. I bring this up because the author almost has the exact same name as Mishima, the story is quite similar to Mishima's and the book has the word Mask in the title Wikipedia posted:Mishima was active as a nationalist and founded his own right-wing militia. He is remembered for his ritual suicide by seppuku after a failed coup d'état attempt, known as the "Mishima Incident". The name sure has some, uh, pedigree ...
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multijoe posted:The name sure has some, uh, pedigree ... And here I was just thinking of Heihachi Mishima the whole time.
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May 16, 2017 08:40
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I guess what I'm trying to say is: I want a forty year old Mika to be the tower social link in Persona 6 and for you to help her move on and stop clinging to her lost youth. I have seen her future and, without help, it is not a pretty one. Yeeeah. I've been close to two people who had relatively serious careers in modeling - one male and one female, both out of it now. The dude has mixed feelings about it; there's lots of things about it he hated, but it also gave him a lot of opportunities like living in NYC and meeting his partner. The lady's life is a mess of addiction, eating disorders, and suicidal ideation. She's only in her thirties. Modeling and really the entertainment business in general mercilessly preys on attractive, talented young people, exploits their labor to make money hand-over-fist, and then discards them the moment they start losing their looks or becoming problematic for PR. It would've been nice for someone in that industry to be a fully-developed villain with a palace, especially when the Thieves hit perfect targets in fields like business, politics, art, and law enforcement. A sleazy media/entertainment mogul is kind of the missing piece.
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May 16, 2017 08:42
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Moltrey posted:Yeah I think the avenue of "I knew this girl was getting abused, I was the one telling her to go to her abuser and yet I neither did or said anything, I feel absolutely monstrous because of it" would be an interesting look at that character, but that's perhaps too dark, and I dunno how'd you'd resolve it in 10 small scenes, because oofa doofa that's loaded. I dunno, Persona 4 dealt with "My sister is dead and never coming back" in ten short scenes (the hanged man social link in Persona 4 is really good) they also dealt with "I have an incurable disease and will die soon" in ten short scenes (the Sun social link in Persona 3 is also really good). They probably could written Mishima having survivors guilt pretty well. Moltrey posted:Yeah I get this. I feel P5 doesn't try to lean into Modeling Is Good angle as much as P4 did for the idol industry so overall I'm kind of okay with the end result with Ann deciding to take things seriously in her life and try and feed off Mika's passion rather than Rise going back to being an idol because little kids look up to her ...I've never played Dancing All Night, but it sounds like things get pretty intense fast. Edit: wizard on a water slide posted:Yeeeah. I've been close to two people who had relatively serious careers in modeling - one male and one female, both out of it now. The dude has mixed feelings about it; there's lots of things about it he hated, but it also gave him a lot of opportunities like living in NYC and meeting his partner. The lady's life is a mess of addiction, eating disorders, and suicidal ideation. She's only in her thirties. Yeah, that's why I want Mika to be the Tower social link in a future game. A former model trying to move on and figure out what to do with her life now that the industry she worked so hard in has thrown her out for daring to age would make a great story and isn't something that's explored in a way that's sympathetic. When I first started playing I thought she was going to be the tower social link in THIS game (she has a portrait and everything!) but no, she's not. I guess Mika will just have to deal with whatever personal problems she probably has on her own for now. Space Cadet Omoly fucked around with this message at 09:07 on May 16, 2017 |
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May 16, 2017 08:51
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFEkR4eiL1c
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May 16, 2017 10:37
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Mishima sucks because he's the Moon arcana guy and the Moon arcana represents being a insecure loser. He's actually written perfectly.
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May 16, 2017 11:14
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The old "ironic shitposting" gambit.
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May 16, 2017 12:24
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Also, I always take the wiki for anything with a grain of salt since very often it features completely incorrect or speculative info.
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May 16, 2017 12:49
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CharlestheHammer posted:I actually like Mishima as he has flaws and has to overcome them, which most of the cast don't. I was pretty mean to Mishima for most of his s. link but by the end he showed so much growth I couldn't help but feel proud of him. I think he was written really well--his desperate need to be liked and needed drives him to do some questionable things but ultimately he grows and ends up risking his safety for someone else just because he wanted to help. Mishima is Good.
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May 16, 2017 14:12
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Today I figured out that all those heavy reading books in your Poor guy. 
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May 16, 2017 14:58
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Count Bleck posted:Today I figured out that all those heavy reading books in your Wakaba, Futaba and Sojiro seem like the most consistently subtle and well-written narrative in this game to me, and stuff like this just clinches it.
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May 16, 2017 15:14
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I think they're probably Sojiro's since they're not really about (p)scientific stuff. Sojiro used to be in government himself, after all. (from the ongoing LP)
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May 16, 2017 16:27
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SyntheticPolygon posted:This is all true but it still leads to the same conclusion that Mishima is a really poorly written character. Who's this emphysema guy you're all going on about?
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May 16, 2017 17:06
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I actually do like Mishima as a character in his social link. I think part of the issue is that, the way Persona works, they try and make all non-social link scenes with a character be agnostic about where you are in the link. So, outside of his social link they just made Mishima the guy who gets dunked on constantly, and that doesn't make for a great character. None of his growth actually comes through, because the second you interact with him outside the social link he doesn't feel like he has made any progress as a person. I think Mishima's arc works well though inside its own bubble. Side note, because it just happened to me in NG+, Makoto gets dunked on a lot before she joins up too. Even Akechi comes by just to antagonize her.
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May 16, 2017 17:47
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Tbf life is dunking on Makoto all the time until she nuts up and becomes a biker ninja
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May 16, 2017 17:56
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MrAptronym posted:I actually do like Mishima as a character in his social link. I think part of the issue is that, the way Persona works, they try and make all non-social link scenes with a character be agnostic about where you are in the link. So, outside of his social link they just made Mishima the guy who gets dunked on constantly, and that doesn't make for a great character. None of his growth actually comes through, because the second you interact with him outside the social link he doesn't feel like he has made any progress as a person. I think Mishima's arc works well though inside its own bubble. Yeah, that's why she has enough repressed rage to punch nuclear explosions at people.
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May 16, 2017 17:59
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In hindsight it was probably a bad idea to give Akechi an Omnipotent Orb before the Shadow Sae fight and I'm glad he dumps all his gear right afterwards, otherwise the fight in Shido's palace would've been quite awkward.
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May 16, 2017 20:05
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SpazmasterX posted:Tbf life is dunking on Makoto all the time until she nuts up and becomes a biker ninja encouraging robots to ride motorbikes is how skynet happens
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May 16, 2017 20:06
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MrAptronym posted:Side note, because it just happened to me in NG+, Makoto gets dunked on a lot before she joins up too. Even Akechi comes by just to antagonize her. Akechi wants to be your friend, he's just misunderstood. Too many side quests with Mishima and you're forced to have him as your roommate at the Hawaii trip. He's the Teddy of P5 and I'd be happy if they replace some scenes with Akechi or Mona taking a nap. Just no more Phan-site updates because I don't careeeee.
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May 16, 2017 20:33
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AG3 posted:In hindsight it was probably a bad idea to give Akechi an Omnipotent Orb before the Shadow Sae fight and I'm glad he dumps all his gear right afterwards, otherwise the fight in Shido's palace would've been quite awkward. akechi is really bad at what he does
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May 16, 2017 20:49
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JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:akechi is really bad at what he does he's really good at being goro, but he's not sega's best goro and he's really good at wearing sweater vests without competition
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May 16, 2017 20:52
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man there's a lotta good goro's huh?JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:akechi is really bad at what he does
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May 16, 2017 21:05
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Don't bring majima down to akechi's level
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May 16, 2017 21:07
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Majima is 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 on the list of the 10 best Goros.
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May 16, 2017 21:10
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I really need Goro wearing a tuxedo with an eyepatch + ponytail now please Majima is so strong
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May 16, 2017 21:11
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Akechi don't know poo poo about being a wild card compared to Majima
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May 16, 2017 21:11
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Persona 5-2 has a lot more of Goro jumping out of the sewer to beat Joker up with a baseball bat
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May 16, 2017 21:12
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM3d266_QWw but Majima is Joker and everyone else is the party. (any excuse to rewatch this)
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May 16, 2017 21:12
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Persona 5-2 has an indepth minigame where you play as Goro and manage an IHOP
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MrAptronym posted:I actually do like Mishima as a character in his social link. I think part of the issue is that, the way Persona works, they try and make all non-social link scenes with a character be agnostic about where you are in the link. So, outside of his social link they just made Mishima the guy who gets dunked on constantly, and that doesn't make for a great character. None of his growth actually comes through, because the second you interact with him outside the social link he doesn't feel like he has made any progress as a person. I think Mishima's arc works well though inside its own bubble. Like I guess you could make the argument that he's trying to just help the Phantom Thieves and isn't looking for any personal gain, but it's still a weird direction to take things. I was hoping he'd realize that maybe he could do things for the world outside of things related to the Phantom Thieves but nope, can't let that Phan-Site die!
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May 16, 2017 21:17
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I'm still physically attracted to Goro Akechi
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May 16, 2017 21:48
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Sea Sponge Run posted:I'm still physically attracted to Goro Akechi Well, his character design is pretty cool and idk what Mishima is wearing even on his off-days.
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May 16, 2017 22:01
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Sea Sponge Run posted:I'm still physically attracted to Goro Akechi
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May 16, 2017 22:07
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goro akechi it probably to worse goro featured in a game released this year.
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May 16, 2017 22:09
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the gun fellatio scene from Spring Breakers but it's Moltrey instead of James Franco, and two Akechis instead of Vanessa Hudgens and Ashley Benson
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May 16, 2017 22:10
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starting a merciless NG++ now. sign my forced confession as Goro Akechi.
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May 17, 2017 00:10
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mishima should be the gay romance option
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May 17, 2017 00:11
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corn in the bible posted:mishima should be the gay romance option There should be several gay romance options imo.
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May 17, 2017 00:13
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SyntheticPolygon posted:There should be several gay romance options imo. 
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"I want queer representation in a game that attempts to depict life in modern day!" (JOHNSON COCKSLAP scrambles to show off to everyone how little they care about others for sick eCred)
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