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Lightning Lord posted:What if after Brexit the UK joins in a international compact with the US!?? I dunno, what if dogs were birds?
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forkboy84 posted:I dunno, what if dogs were birds? It would be funny though. Kinda neat too, for both sides. I'm talking about the dogs here ofc
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May 17, 2017 14:11
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 Would it still be illegal for them to poo poo on public paths/windows?
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May 17, 2017 14:11
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So do you have the Canadian problem with your military too, where it's basically a glorified special forces arm for the US?
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May 17, 2017 14:15
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jBrereton posted:I hope we don't dynamite the chunnel when there is a near inevitable war with the continent at some time in my life. One of the worries when the tunnel was built was Britain would no longer be inaccessible by land, and a suggestion was made to line the walls with ice, which could be kept cold by chillers (which could be turned off if needed, flooding the tunnel).
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May 17, 2017 14:22
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Lightning Lord posted:So do you have the Canadian problem with your military too, where it's basically a glorified special forces arm for the US? That's no way to talk about ARE BRAVE BOYS (but yeah)
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May 17, 2017 14:22
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Ewan posted:Lib Dem manifesto is out http://www.libdems.org.uk/manifesto 
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Red Oktober posted:One of the worries when the tunnel was built was Britain would no longer be inaccessible by land, and a suggestion was made to line the walls with ice, which could be kept cold by chillers (which could be turned off if needed, flooding the tunnel). *EU tanks roll down street blaring "Welcome to Tiny Train World, Winston" from tannoys*
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Sodor is the mustering ground for the UK invasion IMO
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This is the first time in my life I have heard actual british people from britain use the word "chunnel". You're all dead to me.
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Guavanaut posted:I remember people scaremongering about Jerry driving tanks down the chunnel as if mounting an attack in such a confined way on an easily defended point wouldn't be the dumbest idea ever. Unless they sneaked the tanks in overnight disguised as tiny trains. less dumb idea - using the tunnel for a supply line after the invasion has already taken Dover.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Apart from singlehandedly making invasion of the UK impossible? It's the rest of the military that's pointless. Ahahaha. Good one.
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May 17, 2017 14:48
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Cerv posted:less dumb idea - using the tunnel for a supply line after the invasion has already taken Dover. If forces did take Dover then the tunnel entrance would need something impressive to stop it being pummeled from day one, but that's firmly in the realms of Clancy without something seriously going wrong in Europe.
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May 17, 2017 14:58
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The actual plan for the tunnel in event of war is literally nuking it so staying in the south east the now I would rather we didn't do the whole war thing.
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May 17, 2017 15:09
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Guavanaut posted:In the US tomatoes are legally a vegetable though. It's both both technically and colloquially
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Regarde Aduck posted:Apart from singlehandedly making invasion of the UK impossible? It's the rest of the military that's pointless. Good lord 
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May 17, 2017 15:28
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Maggie Thatcher was opposed to German reunification because she didn't want to see a resurgent Third Reich or something so it's hardly surprising that the Sun thought panzers were going to be rolling down the Channel Tunnel in 1995
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May 17, 2017 15:29
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Chunnel churning with chummy, err, panzers.
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Angepain posted:This is the first time in my life I have heard actual british people from britain use the word "chunnel". You're all dead to me. - The word "Chunnel" meaning the chunnel - The idea of the EU changing the word for the Channel to The Anglo-French Eurotrench which I prefer, a lot.
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May 17, 2017 15:34
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jBrereton posted:- The idea of the EU changing the word for the Channel to The Anglo-French Eurotrench which I prefer, a lot. That would make a great chant
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You have to pronounce it the French way though.
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Guavanaut posted:The tabloid scare articles and the people taking them seriously at the time were all 100% about blitzkrieg armor driving down the tracks in the dead of night. There's at least one nineteenth-century novel in which French soldiers disguised as waiters take over this side of a fictional channel tunnel as a prelude to an invasion by France.
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May 17, 2017 16:10
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1p all round seems quite good vs 50p for some. I quite like the look of lib dems idea. Not a fan of the new referendum. Also I'd like to see someone tackle integration rather than just say how many immigrants they'll take.
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Skinty McEdger posted:The actual plan for the tunnel in event of war is literally nuking it so staying in the south east the now I would rather we didn't do the whole war thing. Unless we're going under the assumption that two nuclear powers can have a limited hot war with conventional weapons only, but you've crossed that point long ago if someone is occupying Dover and we might as well formally declare the deterrent pointless. Crashbee posted:There's at least one nineteenth-century novel in which French soldiers disguised as waiters take over this side of a fictional channel tunnel as a prelude to an invasion by France.
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Bape Culture posted:1p all round seems quite good vs 50p for some. I quite like the look of lib dems idea.
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May 17, 2017 16:28
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1p for everyone vs 50p for the rich is proportionally leaving poorer people with less money though, plus it will only essentially cover the funding shortfall rather than actually make anything better. The Lib Dem manifesto is "put society back to ~2015, with weed & slightly higher taxes for everyone" which is not exactly an inspiring rallying cry.
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Guavanaut posted:I mean in order for the tunnel to be any use whatsoever either for tactical or logistics the attacking power would either have to be France, allied with France, or have occupied France. France is a nuclear power. For it to be even slightly realistic we would be at war with a nuclear power, so nuking the French entrance to the tunnel sounds reasonable in that situation, because reason has obviously gone out the window long ago to get to that point. It'll probably be salami tactics.
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May 17, 2017 16:35
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The best name is "Canal de la Mancha". "Anglo-French trench" and "English Channel" are boring.
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May 17, 2017 16:40
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winegums posted:Corbyn shouldn't resign after the election. If we lose he should go before the next one, but not immediately. Whenever this happens the Tories use the chaos in the labour party to paint a narrative and there's nobody at the helm to set out the counter agenda. Remember "the mess that labour left us"? Corbyn staying will cause far, far more chaos in the party.
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May 17, 2017 16:58
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I'm probably giving them too much credit here, but I can't help but wonder if having May's name slapped over everything in their campaign as opposed to the Conservative Party is a deliberate strategy. When Brexit inevitably goes to poo poo, everyone remembers "Theresa May" as opposed to "Conservatives", so the Tories can throw her and her cabinet under a bus and keep the party unblemished for what comes after.
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Ludicro posted:I'm probably giving them too much credit here, but I can't help but wonder if having May's name slapped over everything in their campaign as opposed to the Conservative Party is a deliberate strategy. When Brexit inevitably goes to poo poo, everyone remembers "Theresa May" as opposed to "Conservatives", so the Tories can throw her and her cabinet under a bus and keep the party unblemished for what comes after. Quite the opposite - she's more popular than the party branding. And is sufficiently egotistical to demand it even if she wasn't.
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Ludicro posted:I'm probably giving them too much credit here, but I can't help but wonder if having May's name slapped over everything in their campaign as opposed to the Conservative Party is a deliberate strategy. When Brexit inevitably goes to poo poo, everyone remembers "Theresa May" as opposed to "Conservatives", so the Tories can throw her and her cabinet under a bus and keep the party unblemished for what comes after. I think May and the Tories just have a more basic strategy of making the election "May v Corbyn" as opposed to Conservative Party v Labour.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Corbyn staying will cause far, far more chaos in the party. I can't wait for the third leadership election in three years!!! I think the best option would be Corbyn staying on but saying he will step down in a year's time or something. But no lol I bet it's going to be the Yvette Cooper train picking up steam on June 9th
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Benjamin Arthur posted:I think May and the Tories just have a more basic strategy of making the election "May v Corbyn" as opposed to Conservative Party v Labour. Could it be something to do with battle bus funding, so they can't be accused of illegally campaigning like last time "You see, we weren't technically campaigning for the Conservatives..."
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Amphigory posted:Could it be something to do with battle bus funding, so they can't be accused of illegally campaigning like last time Yes, because of the massive impact that had on the party...
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Amphigory posted:Could it be something to do with battle bus funding, so they can't be accused of illegally campaigning like last time The problem was local versus national campaign funding; the party leader going all over the place and being the main figure of advertising is national campaigning so they're definitely safe this time. I think the other reasons about Mays popularity have more to do with it though.
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Prediction: We get Yvette Cooper or someone equally banal and centrist. She does better than Corbyn because the powers that be "can work with her". This boils down to maintaining the status quo minus fox hunting or something. Thread assholes declare victory. That this is precisely the pyrrhic non-victory that was warned about falls on deaf ears. The RED center-right party is back in power and can proceed to do nothing because they're "balancing the books".
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MikeCrotch posted:I can't wait for the third leadership election in three years!!! He should stand down if he fails to make progress against the Tories. Of course there will be a leadership challenge if he refuses.
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May 17, 2017 18:12
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I can see the Guardian thinkpieces now "Centrism Ascendent: The End of Labours Brief Flirtation With Populism & The Failure of the Corbyn Experiment"
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Regarde Aduck posted:The RED center-right party is back in power and can proceed to do nothing because they're "balancing the books". Do you honestly believe that things haven't got markedly worse since 2010?
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