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morestuff posted:Cousins likely would have stayed if they offered him the megamax, it was their choice to trade him That's what I mean. Vlade was scared off by the potential to pay him the mega-max, when that was supposed to be in theory the one tool owners had to keep their homegrown superstar.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Crowder will get most of those duties I would think. Crowder is too slow to guard Lebron, it's been proven quite a few times over the last few years. I would be surprised if Jaylen didn't cover him for a good portion of the game
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Carlosologist posted:SAS legend Joel Embiid continues to kill it !!!!!!
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Even if the mega-max wasn't available or Cousins wasn't eligible, Vlade sounds like he would have still tried to trade him anyway
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this is some next level andy kaufman type poo poo
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Spite posted:McCaw will be better than Livingston in like a year or two though. Counterpoint ... nope
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leftist heap posted:It's gonna be pretty cool to see if a team consisting of Klay, Curry, Durant, Green and then literally 11 other guys on exempt contracts of some sort is a viable team. Assuming that none of those guys ends up elsewhere. I imagine they plan on going over the cap for a year or two, then getting back under for one year to reset the repeater tax. But who can project that far ahead, really? One of the 4 might get hit by a bus tomorrow and everything will be different.
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Zogo stylee-tanglewood1420 posted:They are going to lose Iggy and Livingston this summer, and Durant and Curry are both going to get designated player super max deals. Next season and the season after they are basically going to be KD, Curry, Draymond, Klay filled out with one taxypayer-MLE guy (about $5m), draft picks and minsal vets. Their depth is going to be really bad unless they hit on what few draft picks they have (no picks at all in 2017, no second rounder in 2018), but maybe it won't matter. Then in summer 2019 Klay will be a free agent and I don't see how they could possibly max him also, so something will give eventually. Iggy might be taking the MLE. He's publicly talked about staying for way below his market value. Don't be too surprised if they re-sign both guys and go into the penalty. Spite posted:McCaw will be better than Livingston in like a year or two though. no structural damage on the MRI. Since there's a ridiculous 4 days between game he might play this weekend. Carlosologist posted:so, why did LMA only shoot 11 times last night? Warriors' game plan or is he too used to being passive now He got double teamed a lot and was pretty helpless when it happened.
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predicto posted:Counterpoint ... nope nobody can replace Shaun Livingston
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chunkles posted:this is some next level andy kaufman type poo poo https://bigballerbrand.com/collections/womens
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oh my god this guy im dying laughing "im no physic"
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All this GSW conjecture hasn't touched on the real possibility of LBJ joining the armada in a few years. Kareem did it, Wilt did it, Malone did it (both of them), KG did it, Shaq did it. Most of the all-time greats like to team up and take the easy road. Even MJ tried to do it. LaVar after Lonzo wins his first ring: "Doris Burke get back in the kitchen!" ex post facho posted:i'm kinda realizing the nba is fairly pointless to watch in its current form until at least the playoff semis in most years, especially with the way talent is concentrated in both conferences... Contraction isn't going to solve the predictability. Contract the Bulls and Pacers and watch Jimmy Butler and Paul George come off the Cavaliers bench. Also, surprises do happen...every twenty or thirty years.
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I can't believe I'm respecting Lavar Ball now after the Jason Whitlock snacks comments
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Cool Buff Man posted:Crowder is too slow to guard Lebron, it's been proven quite a few times over the last few years. I would be surprised if Jaylen didn't cover him for a good portion of the game I just see Jaylen biting so hard on all of Lebron's pump fakes. But it will be good experience for the Rook
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predicto posted:I imagine they plan on going over the cap for a year or two, then getting back under for one year to reset the repeater tax. But who can project that far ahead, really? One of the 4 might get hit by a bus tomorrow and everything will be different. They will most likely be pushing into the luxury tax this offseason, won't they? IIRC their cap holds put them into tax territory. And that timeline would put them into trying to get under the cap right when they have to sign Klay, plus who knows what kind of contract KD is gonna sign. I guess I could see maybe Iguodala taking less, but even the MLE would be quite the haircut, let alone the tax-payer MLE if it comes to it. Livingston can and definitely should look for a payday at this point in his career.
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Livingston is gone from the Warriors after this season. Iggy has had 2 big paydays in his past, and he is set for life. Because of his horrific injury, Livingston never got his big payday, and at his age, this is his only chance to get one. Some lousy team is going to give him a huge contract to be their presumptive starting PG, and he is going to take it, and he should. They team doesn't really use a traditional point guard, and the back up to Curry is going to be a ring chaser on his last legs who is satisfied with 10 minutes per game. Iggy probably is going to sign under market value and stay. As far as I can tell he genuinely loves it here and has plans for the future here after he retires.
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Paul Zuvella posted:Well, that's not exactly true. In the 70s the NBA had 8 different champions in 10 years, which is insane. Different champions doesn't mean it's parity. That's just chaos and unpredictability. Parity is a big lie. I can't recall one season of NHL, NBA, MLB, NFL, MLS where all the teams hovered around 50% WP%. No matter from nascency to fully developed with 100+ years of history (and all stages between). 1922 NFL had a team go 10-0-2 and another 0-0-8. One hundred years later it's the same story. If parity was paramount then grade school sports would have the highest TV ratings. Shear Modulus posted:it can't really be overstated how lovely the spurs played last night 136 points against the best D in the whole league. A team ORtg of 132.7 for GSW. Their highest playoff ORtg game in the 3P era.  Cool Buff Man posted:The last way most would describe the Warriors is "deserves a championship" so you're not fooling anyone Right now the numbers say they deserve it more than anyone outside of the '71 Bucks and '96 Bulls. Regular-season and playoffs combined MOV: code:
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My proprietary SHOOKNESS stat says that the warriors don't deserve poo poo
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leftist heap posted:They will most likely be pushing into the luxury tax this offseason, won't they? IIRC their cap holds put them into tax territory. And that timeline would put them into trying to get under the cap right when they have to sign Klay, plus who knows what kind of contract KD is gonna sign. Tax will be around 121. Assuming Durant ops out and gets his $35 million contract, Steph gets his DPE, they will be at about 105 with their main 4. If they resign Iggy and/or Livingston that will probably put them in tax and they don't have a real center (as they don't have any bird rights on Zaza).
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leftist heap posted:My proprietary SHOOKNESS stat says that the warriors don't deserve poo poo drat good thing you ain't a NBA GM then
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Zogo posted:Different champions doesn't mean it's parity. That's just chaos and unpredictability. No one who uses parity means a bunch of .500 teams each season. They mean over the course of a few seasons teams have legitimate chances to move up or down and that at the start of the season many teams have shots at a championship. It is far harder to do that in the NBA than any other league. Its not because of rules, it's just the nature of basketball.
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Rabid Snake posted:drat good thing you ain't a NBA GM then <extremely Dion Waiters voice> The NBA is lucky I'm home doing drat shitposts
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Zogo posted:Right now the numbers say they deserve it more than anyone outside of the '71 Bucks and '96 Bulls. Regular-season and playoffs combined MOV: That's not what I meant by "deserve", Zogo. I love you though.
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Lockback posted:The best defense I've ever seen against playoff Lebron came from Boris Diaw so I don't know what to expect Remember that Boris Diaw is secretly one of the world's greatest athletes but cannot be brought to care about pedestrian feats like scoring or winning by anyone except his dear childhood friend Tonathan "Tony" Parkour quote:"Boris walks into the gym one day wearing flip-flops and holding his customary cappuccino, which was a staple for him every morning," Griffin recalled. "It was during pre-draft workouts, so he sees the Vertec [machine] and asks what it is.
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Lockback posted:Tax will be around 121. Assuming Durant ops out and gets his $35 million contract, Steph gets his DPE, they will be at about 105 with their main 4. If they resign Iggy and/or Livingston that will probably put them in tax and they don't have a real center (as they don't have any bird rights on Zaza). Smh at the disrespect for my MAIN MAN JAVALE
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Which team is gonna overpay for JaVale McGee, NBA finals participant?
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Kibner posted:How many passes did you guys see? I saw ONE gorilla costume. Lockback posted:Falk's idea is dumb though because how on earth do you differentiate the 38th best player from the 48th? Some arbitrary stat threshold. Probably based on some whole number as that's the way things are done. Triple-double, millionaire, six-figures etc. Lockback posted:No one who uses parity means a bunch of .500 teams each season. They mean over the course of a few seasons teams have legitimate chances to move up or down and that at the start of the season many teams have shots at a championship. It is far harder to do that in the NBA than any other league. Its not because of rules, it's just the nature of basketball. Yes, the confusion over the basic definition has been an issue. There's also some confusion within this looser definition. We've had six different NBA champions in the last seven years and there are many who think that it's far harder to do that in the NBA than in other leagues. I call that amnesia. If there was much more "parity" of that sort in the NBA right now they'd be giving out dual trophies to both finals participants. Congratulations to co-champions the Cleveland State Cavarriors.
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No one he's gonna resign with GS for literally whatever they'll pay him, there's no way he leaves after how hes been treated here vs everywhere else
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Javale getting paid while the league still thinks centers are worth paying for, he wants that Ian Mahinmi money
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Zogo posted:We've had six different NBA champions in the last seven years and there are many who think that it's far harder to do that in the NBA than in other leagues. I call that amnesia. LeBron counts as a single team though no matter what jersey he wears Tae posted:Javale getting paid while the league still thinks centers are worth paying for, he wants that Ian Mahinmi money I dunno man I'll be gobsmacked if someone gives him more than 4 million. Everyone must know he'll turn back into a pumpkin elsewhere Ammanas fucked around with this message at 00:05 on May 18, 2017 |
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the noble warriors and their benevolent ownership, the only possible free agent destination
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Except every ring chasing veteran in the league is going to be clamoring to sign with the Warriors for the minimum. They will have their pick of the litter.
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The B_36 posted:The max contract really has no bearing on how much the owners pay the players as a whole (that's the BRI calculation), it only affects the guys at the top. The owners obviously want to pay the players less (every owner in every business wants to do that), but the max contract has nothing to do with that. IIRC, the max contract was a response to MJ getting $38mil a year one year contracts, and they didn't want it to get out of hand, which it was starting to. Late reply, but big contracts before the max absolutely had an effect on how much they were paying players. The previous CBA had an option for the owners to cancel the contract if salaries exceeded some threshold of percentage of BRI, which they did and the biggest reason why was because (like you said), Bird-rights contracts for stars kept going up (this was the only mechanism by which player salaries kept growing as part of BRI because there was already a cap). That is, even though the cap existed, Bird exceptions meant teams still went over it paying unmaxed salaries. There was also no mechanism to enforce the BRI target because the escrow system wasn't around yet. They wanted the max salary in the new CBA and played serious hardball by lockout to get it. The post-lockout CBA also introduced the escrow system so the owners wouldn't pay players more than the BRI target anymore. The max contract was a clever move by the owners to drive a wedge between stars and non-stars.
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leftist heap posted:Which team is gonna overpay for JaVale McGee, NBA finals participant? I'm gonna go with the Los Angeles Lakers. JaVale McGee is now 29 years old. He's got the crafty veteran experience that the Lakers need, plus he's a great pairing with Carmelo Anthony.
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Lockback posted:The best defense I've ever seen against playoff Lebron came from Boris Diaw so I don't know what to expect The best guys to defend Lebron are Lebron sized guys who are strong. They the passing lanes and force him to try and break them down or shoot his jumper, depending what they want from him. Historically, a Lebron sized man is the man who's been able to hold his own and let help come in due time rather than in a constant confused scramble. They didn't have someone Jaylen Brown's length or with his agility last year, but Lebron is a basketball genius so he'll bait him into everything. Jae Crowder's arms are quite a bit shorter than Brown's and he's not nearly as agile. But Jaylen Brown is a rookie Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 00:21 on May 18, 2017 |
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ex post facho posted:spicy take: the league should contract by about 16 teams, their talent dispersed, change the first two rounds of the playoffs to best of three elimination, and shorten the season by about ~22 games. Basketball is cool and it's cool to have a team in or near your city even if you don't win a championship. Ghost Dog posted:the regular season should be shortened, that parts very true Lockout season number of games but regular season length, and make sure to place the all star break so it conforms to the golden ratio as is right and true in all sports (football changing their bye weeks ruined the sport). edit I'm actually not sure they ever changed them but I feel like they used to work differently, maybe stopped earlier in the season? DeimosRising fucked around with this message at 00:29 on May 18, 2017 |
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The league should keep a salary cap but have one designated franchise player contract that has no limits and is separate from the cap. Make that contract have a minimum amount of years they can offer. Less big names are going to want to team up when they can get paid more than a whole team.
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Lockback posted:People have been saying that since the Miami days, and while you do get occasional Ray Allen and David West type guys, they more frequently than not end up playing like David West (and get like 10 minutes a night). There was a lot of those types last offseason, which was weird considering a lot of them didn't go to the Cavs outside of the Deron Williams buyout. Like, is there something that players don't like about Lebron? When the Rockets can get Nene for nothing but the Cavs got so talent depleted that Lebron literally said "We need some loving playmakers," it's very confusing.
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I think it's just that there is rarely a guaranteed championship, and the Warriors are the closest thing to it.
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