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RatHat posted:Yeah even at level 1 Combat Focus is ridiculously good. Oh that's cool as heck.
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I'm a bit disappointed in the enemy types but the game itself makes up for it. I'm probably about 75 percent through doing a shotgun hobo run. I wish they had more technological enemy types outside of turrets and operators. Also wish the Typhon were a bit more interesting than just black. I really like the world building and all the exploration.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:But I also am doing human only, so I never make psi thingies. Combat Sense is a psi related ability that is "human only".
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May 17, 2017 21:09
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I just got through the GUTS to the Arboreteum. This is a great game. Anyway, I have a pretty wild theory about where this game is going (you should only read this if you've finished the game or are willing to take a chance that some rando figured out a big plot twist). you're not actually Morgan Yu, you're a Typhon Mimic-style organism that got Neuromod'd with Morgan Yu's brain pattern and so is Mimicing him/her for the whole game. Don't tell me if I'm right or wrong! I'm just putting it out here for posterity.
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May 17, 2017 21:20
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Malek posted:Combat Sense is a psi related ability that is "human only". True, but the psi hypos are common enough that I don't need to make more.
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May 17, 2017 21:25
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Verdugo posted:Also wish the Typhon were a bit more interesting than just black. In terms of mechanics they're great. Each Typhon has it's own weird quirks and attack styles. I love fighting these guys.
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May 17, 2017 21:40
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Amorphous black monster creatures were pretty lame in Resident Evil 5, were pretty lame in Resident Evil 7, and seem pretty lame here.
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May 17, 2017 21:53
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At least the Typhon look more interesting than RE7's stock horror game monsters. But yeah, the game could've used some more enemy variety, it's really my only complaint.
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The Many were definitely more fun to fight against. SS2 had a lot of "oh god what the gently caress is that" moments that Prey really lacks. E: thinking about it I just now realized that mind controlled humans are the equivalent of SS2 protocol droids Gadzuko fucked around with this message at 22:23 on May 17, 2017 |
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May 17, 2017 22:20
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Is there any reason to avoid stunning or mindjacking mindcontrolled people in favor of killing the telepath? Or any reason to favor one or the other?
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Ravenfood posted:Is there any reason to avoid stunning or mindjacking mindcontrolled people in favor of killing the telepath? Or any reason to favor one or the other? My only worry is that Typhon will aggro onto the free human and kill them but I don't know if that can happen.
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Ravenfood posted:Is there any reason to avoid stunning or mindjacking mindcontrolled people in favor of killing the telepath? Or any reason to favor one or the other? It doesn't matter at all, even to the ending. The mind controlled count as already dead... even though I stun gunned every single one of them.
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May 17, 2017 23:35
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RatHat posted:Yeah even at level 1 Combat Focus is ridiculously good. lol this was a fantastic idea that fit amazingly well into the theme of the game, I'm sorry it got scrapped
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May 17, 2017 23:48
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It is. A long range high power, slow fire weapon would be a great addition as well. You could also block it's empathy and keep it as a gun.
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So out of curiosity, I tried the speedrunning exploit they use in this video -- specifically, I wanted to get the General Access key so I can sequence break, get Typhon neuromods and complete the intro sequence using them just for shits and giggles. (Probably won't change anything.  )But interestingly enough, it looks like there's some debug area on top of Morgan's office where the speedrunner gets the key (at ~2:10), and there's a bunch of items there, including:  
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RatHat posted:Yeah even at level 1 Combat Focus is ridiculously good. ...wasn't that a Borderlands 2 quest?
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As someone who likes to explore everywhere and find all the things (also kill all the bad things, to make exploring less stressful), I can safely say the level design and sense of space in this game is beyond amazing. I have just about cleared everything I can find in Arboretum, and that has to be the best area yet. Have found...well, a lot of stuff I guess - saved all the mind-controlled crew, made me some superfruit, have my own turret army, found a way up to the 'top'. No doubt I missed some poo poo, and there's a level 4 hack I can't do yet in Alex's office, but overall, holy gently caress - this is better than best game ever (System Shock 2 ofc), and am having as much fun playing now as a grizzled veteran of this kind of explore-em-up as I did last century. And look - got as as high up as I can to get a view of stuff, and ooh...what is this?  You can go to an airlock, blast into space, and actually get inside the fucker and find more stuff. 
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Speedball posted:...wasn't that a Borderlands 2 quest? The quest in Borderlands was: A loader robot has decided it doesn't want to kill people after you best it in a fight a couple times and asks you to bring it to an NPC to have it turned into a shield, so that it can help you. You can then immediately disobey its wishes and have it turned into a gun anyway, which it doesn't really mind after all as it turns out. Either way, both versions talk to you and are generally very useful. There also is a gun that comments discouragingly about your insane rampant murder spree in a very sarcastic manner. It is gained from doing a quest with absolutely no reward except for the gun, which is to kill literal hundreds of bandits. CJacobs fucked around with this message at 01:32 on May 18, 2017 |
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Did they gently caress around with how the Steam version of the game reads controllers in the last week or so? The last time I played this was two Saturdays ago, and I was using a Dualshock 4, with Steam's DS4 configuration support turned on and being used to make the Right Joystick output a Right Joystick for aim. Also, in Prey's own options menu, Steam Controller support was also turned on because I had been fooling around with controlling the game with a Steam Controller before switching to the DS4. Today I boot the game up again, and the Right Joystick on my DS4 will only move the aim a tiny, tiny bit. I went to the Profile Browser for Steam's controller configuration and applied the Official DS4 Profile. This made the Right Joystick aim properly again, but I noticed that in the Official DS4 Profile the Right Joystick was set to output Relative Mouse and not Right Joystick. If I changed it output the right stick instead it would stop working. If I turn off Steam Controller support in the options for Prey, the game will stop recognizing any input from my DS4 at all, but will still pick up my Xbox One controller. No other games have trouble using the Right Joystick, just Prey. The odd thing to me is that the controller profile that was applied when I first booted Prey today was a modified version of the Official DS4 Profile that I had played for hours with two weekends ago, which leads me to think that when the game was originally launched it was using the Right Joystick of a DS4 just as you would expect and then a patch changed something which required the Official DS4 Profile to be swapped to output Relative Mouse for aim.
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This is actually from a Steam beta which enables emulation of "legacy" Xinput controllers as Steam controllers. Despite the best of their intentions, they can't emulate everything, and Prey in particular seems to expect inputs that don't exist on emulated controllers. The tl;dr is: Turn off Steam beta channel and see how it goes. First time having that enabled ever gave me issues but welp. 
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Jan posted:This is actually from a Steam beta which enables emulation of "legacy" Xinput controllers as Steam controllers. Despite the best of their intentions, they can't emulate everything, and Prey in particular seems to expect inputs that don't exist on emulated controllers. I really doubt that is the cause, as I've never enabled any beta options in Steam and the beta options are not currently enabled in either the standard Steam settings or in Big Picture. My current client build is from April 25th. If there is someplace else where a beta client can be enabled and they opted me in by default, then I don't know about it. I've futzed around with Prey and Steam a little more and what is clear to me is that currently the game is not accepting Joystick input for Aim on a DS4. If I use the Steam Controller Configurator to set the Style of Output for either of the joysticks on my DS4 to "Movement", which is a classification created by Arkane Studios for this game's Profile and has a Prey-specific hook, then it doesn't matter whether I set them to output the Right or Left joystick to the game because Prey is using all (raw?) joystick output from a DS4 to move your character. If those same joysticks have their Style of Output set to "Joystick Move", which would be the standard Xinput stuff every other game uses, then the joystick are completely ignored by Prey. However, if I use the Steam Controller Configurator to edit the Profile and set the Style of Output for a joystick to "Aim", which is another Arkane original, then it will accept emulated mouse-input from a DS4 joystick and use that for aiming your view. However, I doubt that the standard aim-assist that you would get on a console would apply. I understand that this garbage can be really hard to understand since there are so many layers of options, and it must not make any sense to anyone who hasn't been diddling with Steam controllers for a bit. But I had a working configuration before I put Prey down for almost two weeks, and when I came back it didn't work anymore. Somebody changed something, and it was probably Arkane. I just don't know why. Edited to be more accurate and make a little more sense. Copper Vein fucked around with this message at 02:29 on May 18, 2017 |
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So I followed December's advise and took the escape pod out and got a good ol fashioned game over my problem is now I think I figured out what the twist is and i'm bummed out. I'm guessing you're playing as the human typhon some of the logs and etc talk about early on, and the dialogue from the escape pod ending make me think the whole game is some kind of test and my character is gonna end up chopped up by alex no matter what.
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juggalo baby coffin posted:So I followed December's advise and took the escape pod out and got a good ol fashioned game over That was the first "ending" I got too, followed by the same guess as yours, but the actual ending still took me for a loop.
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Copper Vein posted:I really doubt that is the cause, as I've never enabled any beta options in Steam and the beta options are not currently enabled in either the standard Steam settings or in Big Picture. My current client build is from April 25th. If there is someplace else where a beta client can be enabled and they opted me in by default, then I don't know about it. Official DS4 Steam support has always been buggy, had unimplemented features, and been generally inconsistent for me. I gave up trying and now stick to DS4Windows. Despite disabling it, it sometimes still manages to gently caress things up. I'm surprised Valve released it from Beta in the state it's in.
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Speedball posted:...wasn't that a Borderlands 2 quest? Haha, yes, pretty much. :EFB: quote:this is better than best game ever (System Shock 2 ofc), 
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:It is. A long range high power, slow fire weapon would be a great addition as well. If it wasn't an implementation issue, they probably scrapped it because it doesn't fit the rest of the game. There aren't many longer ranged options because they want you to close in to get most things done.
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If you do want to go long range, the golden pistol becomes a laser beam once you fully upgrade accuracy. If you crouch it completely shrinks the crosshairs together and you can snipe away.
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Anyone find the keycard for the storage room in I.T. Security(in the Lobby)? Also do multiple of the same chipset stack?
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RatHat posted:Also do multiple of the same chipset stack? Sadly no, equipping a duplicate chipset simply unequips the first one.
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RatHat posted:Anyone find the keycard for the storage room in I.T. Security(in the Lobby)? You can get that if you're playing the game as a violent sociopath, and you kill pretty much everyone. But if you're playing normally, you won't get it.
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Does that mean it's impossible to find every crewmember if you're not doing a "Kill everyone" run?
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Malek posted:It doesn't matter at all, even to the ending. The mind controlled count as already dead... even though I stun gunned every single one of them. Actually, it does. One of the operators in the ending reacts positively if you save a lot of mind controlled people.
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If anybody's interested in making the game...harder that modder who discovered the unused weapon already made little mods that give typhons more health or remove HUD indicators etc. He also made a sort of sight-seeing mode where all enemies are neutral and won't attack you. Here's a link.
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Palpek posted:If anybody's interested in making the game...harder that modder who discovered the unused weapon already made little mods that give typhons more health or remove HUD indicators etc. god I love MODS
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RatHat posted:Does that mean it's impossible to find every crewmember if you're not doing a "Kill everyone" run? Some of the other similar achievements trigger before finding 100% everything. I suspect that this is similar.
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Just finished this last night. Was pretty good. I don't know that the SS2 comparisons would be so common if it wasn't scifi. On a gameplay level, most of what it shares with Shock are elements it shares with all the LG influenced immersive sims. Really, this is mostly Arx Fatalis in space. Giant metroidvania game world with versatile powers and an extremely flexible critical path/narrative. Which is cool because Arx Fatalis was a great and under-appreciated game. I do think a lack of enemy and environment variety will keep me from remembering it as fondly as the Dishonoreds and LG's classics. The back half of the game felt pretty tedious. But I'll still put it a notch above the Deus Ex prequels.
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Holy I just understood the ending. Big ending spoiler below. So at the end, the operators and Alex are judging the typhon who played the simulation as Morgan Yu. They're judging Yu. They're also judging you. Did Morgan Yu show empathy to humans on the station? Well, did you as Yu show empathy? The typhon have no mirror neurons so they don't recognize other creatures as living, feeling individuals. Did you acting as Yu act as an alien who doesn't see people, or did the experiment work -- did you as Yu see the scripted NPCs as people too?
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CAPTAIN poo poo posted:Holy I just understood the ending. Big ending spoiler below. Dang that's actually some pretty clever writing. Especially the last part.
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Yeah that's what I liked about the ending as well.
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