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Anybody have any experience with different builds of Death's Shadow? I was all geared up to start playing Jund Death's Shadow, but I think I'm leaning more towards Grixis, partly because it's similar to Delver and partly because I have most of it and have 0 tarmogoyfs. I do have Mishra's Bauble though, but they don't seem to be played in Grixis. Should I go ahead and sell them while they're still in between $30 or $40?
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Archenteron posted:Ain't Nothing Like The Real Thing In The Ice
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May 18, 2017 21:37
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InterrupterJones posted:Anybody have any experience with different builds of Death's Shadow? I was all geared up to start playing Jund Death's Shadow, but I think I'm leaning more towards Grixis, partly because it's similar to Delver and partly because I have most of it and have 0 tarmogoyfs. I do have Mishra's Bauble though, but they don't seem to be played in Grixis. Should I go ahead and sell them while they're still in between $30 or $40? The problem with baubles is that they aren't going down unless death shadow is banned or its reprinted. If you aren't going to play with them then yes, sell them.
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May 18, 2017 21:40
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InterrupterJones posted:Anybody have any experience with different builds of Death's Shadow? I was all geared up to start playing Jund Death's Shadow, but I think I'm leaning more towards Grixis, partly because it's similar to Delver and partly because I have most of it and have 0 tarmogoyfs. I do have Mishra's Bauble though, but they don't seem to be played in Grixis. Should I go ahead and sell them while they're still in between $30 or $40? Yeah I mean if you don't have goyfs and aren't going to buy them, you simply can't play DSJ. Grixis Delver is certainly basically as powerful, but plays a bit differently. If you like Grixis Delver style decks it's essentially a strictly better version of it. Selling your baubles to finance other magic things is probably a perfectly fine idea if you aren't going to buy goyfs.
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May 18, 2017 21:51
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Cactrot posted:I hope this is a typo, if it isn't don't do this. It's obviously a typo, T and Y are next to each other. And yes, in today's story, Hazoret inflicts a battle-rage effect on the Superfriends forcing them to engage in non-magical combat with the initiates. Liliana and Chandra beat people up with their fists and for some reason Nissa physically throws Jace at someone she is fighting. Also, Gideon sucks at combat where he isn't invincible. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 22:53 on May 18, 2017 |
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May 18, 2017 22:45
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The next story spotlight is going to be about how Gideon discovers that he was never truly invincible at all. He was just protected by his belief.
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May 18, 2017 22:58
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Sickening posted:The problem with baubles is that they aren't going down unless death shadow is banned or its reprinted. If you aren't going to play with them then yes, sell them. I'd frankly be shocked if Death's Shadow got banned. It seems easy to deal with for most decks that expect it. ShaneB posted:Yeah I mean if you don't have goyfs and aren't going to buy them, you simply can't play DSJ. Grixis Delver is certainly basically as powerful, but plays a bit differently. If you like Grixis Delver style decks it's essentially a strictly better version of it. Selling your baubles to finance other magic things is probably a perfectly fine idea if you aren't going to buy goyfs. That's what I figured. With how quick it plays, DSJ seemed more like a burn deck than a zoo deck. I appreciate being able to be a bit more methodical about how I interact with dealing damage to my opponent and to myself.
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May 18, 2017 23:11
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InterrupterJones posted:I'd frankly be shocked if Death's Shadow got banned. It seems easy to deal with for most decks that expect it. I agree, I can't see a single thing in modern getting banned until something from a new set breaks it. You can't ask for a more diverse format.
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May 18, 2017 23:13
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My only issue with Death's Shadow decks is that the card requires fairly specific answers that also tend to be somewhat narrow (in the sense that overloading on Push/Path effects leaves you with lots of dead draws against Ad Nauseum, Karn Tron, etc) while also being able to maindeck like 8 discard effects to rip those answers out of your hand. That said, I haven't bee following Modern lately so I couldn't say if Death Shadow decks are putting up overbearing results.
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May 18, 2017 23:26
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I don't see anything getting banned or unbanned in Modern until someone comes up with something really dumb. Modern is protected from horseshit like Aetherworks Marvel summoning Emrakul, the Aeons Torn because cards like Stony Silence exist.
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May 18, 2017 23:32
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Sickening posted:I agree, I can't see a single thing in modern getting banned until something from a new set breaks it. You can't ask for a more diverse format. Modern is incredible right now. I mean just look at this range of decks and archetypes. http://mtgtop8.com/archetype?a=222&meta=51&f=MO
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May 18, 2017 23:33
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birthing pod was cool, the kiki-jiki decks with white were cool
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May 18, 2017 23:37
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If the past is any indication I could see them taking something out of Storm if that deck continues to gain popularity but it's not there yet and might not get there at all unlessSickening posted:something from a new set breaks it.
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May 19, 2017 00:07
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In continued "lol WotC software" news, the draft visualizer on their website is hard-coded to only handle 8-person pods so they can't post drafts from the Team Draft Super League: https://twitter.com/mtg_lee/status/865081035775590400 No worries though, some random fan was able to write his own custom visualizer in a few hours for free! https://twitter.com/flooey/status/865306484527308802
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May 19, 2017 00:28
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Eh hardcoding 8 to a draft seems very reasonable to me. Not seeing this coming till it's too late to do anything about is the more lol thing imo.
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May 19, 2017 00:32
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ThePeavstenator posted:In continued "lol WotC software" news, the draft visualizer on their website is hard-coded to only handle 8-person pods so they can't post drafts from the Team Draft Super League: not disagreeing with your main point about wotc being incompetent, but flooey has been working on his draft viewer for at least a year lol though at randy just going "cool, can you please add these custom features for free, thx"
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May 19, 2017 00:32
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Their web people probably could have adjusted the code without too much effort but wanted to avoid the task so they played up how much work it would be to change
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May 19, 2017 00:33
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little munchkin posted:not disagreeing with your main point about wotc being incompetent, but flooey has been working on his draft viewer for at least a year Pro management skill right there
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little munchkin posted:not disagreeing with your main point about wotc being incompetent, but flooey has been working on his draft viewer for at least a year ah okay, never heard of the guy Fuzzy Mammal posted:Eh hardcoding 8 to a draft seems very reasonable to me. Not seeing this coming till it's too late to do anything about is the more lol thing imo. IDK the flow of "pick card, pass rest of pack to next, if last drafter, pass to first" would be one of the first things I think of instead of whatever they did to make it so that 7 must pass to 8, 8 must pass to 1.
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May 19, 2017 00:36
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It's probably that a bunch of the code has hardcoded things likecode:
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May 19, 2017 00:39
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cheetah7071 posted:It's probably that a bunch of the code has hardcoded things like I'm sure there's a pun about use of magic numbers in here somewhere but I'm like 2 post-work beers too deep to think of one
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May 19, 2017 00:41
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myDad posted:Pro management skill right there brought to you by the company whose hiring motto is "but dont you LOVE magic the gathering"
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May 19, 2017 00:43
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Eh hardcoding 8 to a draft seems very reasonable to me. Not seeing this coming till it's too late to do anything about is the more lol thing imo. if they didn't 100 percent chance at least once a month there would be a draft with 16 people in it
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May 19, 2017 00:47
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ThePeavstenator posted:I'm sure there's a pun about use of magic numbers in here somewhere but I'm like 2 post-work beers too deep to think of one lol
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May 19, 2017 00:50
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myDad posted:lol please respect the fine Wisconsin tradition of casual alcoholism, you may not care but others do
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May 19, 2017 00:52
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I sympathize with WotC online team. If they created a quick and ugly draft viewer for six people then it might harm public perception of their visual design skills. If a quick implementation had bugs they might get a reputation for writing buggy code.
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May 19, 2017 00:54
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just do a find/replace of "num_drafters" for "8", I'm sure absolutely nothing will go wrong
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May 19, 2017 00:54
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ThePeavstenator posted:please respect the fine Wisconsin tradition of casual alcoholism, you may not care but others do casual alcoholism is being drunk before work you loving scrub
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Elyv posted:just do a find/replace of "num_drafters" for "8", I'm sure absolutely nothing will go wrong The date of the draft is now May 1num_drafters, 2017
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So in magic related business has anyone used Saffi Eriksdotter + Reveillark for a nasty combo? With a sacrifice outlet not only do you get the infinite sac effects like Saffi + Renegade Rallier, but you can also return 1 creature with power 2 or less from your graveyard with each iteration. That means you can bring back Fiend Hunter and sacrifice it with its trigger on the stack to permanently exile a creature each iteration, or perform the same maneuver with Tidehollow Sculler to exile cards from your opponent's hand, bring back & sacrifice Fulminator Mage to destroy all of your opponents lands, or even loop Murderous Redcap for infinite damage. Reveillark is an incredible beater that supports the backup plan, and has a powerful ability sans combo. Is this too cute for Abzan Company?
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I think the problem with that idea is that if you want a combo with a 5 drop in your company shell, you could just use spike feeder/archangel of thune and have a 2 piece combo instead of a 3 piece combo.
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How is Bauble used? Is it just like Gitaxian probe so it's like you have a smaller deck?
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myDad posted:So in magic related business has anyone used Saffi Eriksdotter + Reveillark for a nasty combo? With a sacrifice outlet not only do you get the infinite sac effects like Saffi + Renegade Rallier, but you can also return 1 creature with power 2 or less from your graveyard with each iteration. That means you can bring back Fiend Hunter and sacrifice it with its trigger on the stack to permanently exile a creature each iteration, or perform the same maneuver with Tidehollow Sculler to exile cards from your opponent's hand, bring back & sacrifice Fulminator Mage to destroy all of your opponents lands, or even loop Murderous Redcap for infinite damage. Abzan company can win with three cards and six mana, trying to win with four cards and 10+ mana is not a good plan.
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BizarroAzrael posted:How is Bauble used? Is it just like Gitaxian probe so it's like you have a smaller deck? Also it's an artifact if you care about delirium, and it lets you basically scry if you have a fetch.
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BizarroAzrael posted:How is Bauble used? Is it just like Gitaxian probe so it's like you have a smaller deck? Yes except it's also a normally hard to get type for delirium and you can use it to scry with a fetch. Edit: ^^^ What he said.
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Elyv posted:I think the problem with that idea is that if you want a combo with a 5 drop in your company shell, you could just use spike feeder/archangel of thune and have a 2 piece combo instead of a 3 piece combo. This was the main comparison Pros: Archangel is insane with Finks, Scooze Gains life & puts counters on everything Doesn't require sac outlet or graveyard Cons: Spiker Feeder is a mediocre piece that can be Company'd Reveillark however Pros: 4 power in the air Powerful recursion without combo Incredible synergy with hate bears Combo can lock opponent out of game Cons: Requires a sac outlet & graveyard uninverted posted:Abzan company can win with three cards and six mana, trying to win with four cards and 10+ mana is not a good plan. As above, I was comparing its strengths to those of the Archangel of Thune + Spike Feeder combo. They both require 1 piece that cannot be hit by Company but operates strongly within the shell. They are not the best plan as you say, but I like the idea of a combo available even if 2+ pieces of the primary combo are extracted from the deck I'll get a few reps in with Reveillark in the main vs with Archangel and report back in a few weeks
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cheetah7071 posted:It's probably that a bunch of the code has hardcoded things like Yeah you change one thing and suddenly elf warrior creature tokens (and just those) become 8/8s with a cmc of 8.
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ThePeavstenator posted:In continued "lol WotC software" news, the draft visualizer on their website is hard-coded to only handle 8-person pods so they can't post drafts from the Team Draft Super League:
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May 19, 2017 02:33
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Yeah you change one thing and suddenly elf warrior creature tokens (and just those) become 8/8s with a cmc of 8. its about time there was a momir shakeup
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Yeah you change one thing and suddenly elf warrior creature tokens (and just those) become 8/8s with a cmc of 8. In the draft viewer? Actually if you told me that MTGO's core rules engine also somehow shares code with the draft viewer, I might believe you.
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