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Rick posted:Also, all the things you've said doesn't go with Ball having a high floor. You described a player with a low floor. No? I think he had a high floor, low ceiling. As in he I think he is likely to be an actual nba player but the odds of him being a st are catastrophically low. He does too many things well at his size to not stick around the league for a while l.
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May 19, 2017 05:24
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If you think that Lonzo would ever get past the Sixers even if he wasn't No. 2, I don't know what to tell you.
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May 19, 2017 05:51
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AggressivelyStupid posted:If the suns take Markkanen I'm going to be real mad I'd be surprised if they did, they drafted two bigs last year
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May 19, 2017 05:53
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Lock it up https://twitter.com/SHowardCooper/status/865323123079397376
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May 19, 2017 06:21
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If the Hornets get Fox I'll marry you Rick
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May 19, 2017 07:54
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WhyteRyce posted:I :lol: that every mock seems to ignore who Phoenix drafted last year Eh, this was the "competency" draft, you draft BPA top 5 if you're competent. Len is bad, Bender has potential that they shouldn't give up on, but it was difficult to have on the floor a lot last season, so there are minutes at PF/C even with Chriss being Better Than SAS Projected. There are other reasons I could see the Suns drafting Markkanen that have crossed my mind but they drift away from basketball reasons and I really did try to keep it there for this mock. Paul Zuvella posted:No? I think he had a high floor, low ceiling. As in he I think he is likely to be an actual nba player but the odds of him being a st are catastrophically low. He does too many things well at his size to not stick around the league for a while l. I will agree with you if your high floor is "an NBA player." Because I do think a 40% shooter always will have a place in the league. But I mean you still are generally hoping for a starter when drafting in the top 10. I think Monk has a high floor despite not thinking he's a career NBA starter because being a career 6th man is still really really good. Also, I mean, Ball really doesn't have a lot of size (that we know of, since he skipped measurements). He's 6'5", maybe, which is big for a PG but if he's sliding over to SG, probably half the league is still going to have someone bigger on the other end. Although I guess with the way things are going that might not be the case in a couple years since SGs are trending down in height. morestuff posted:If the Hornets get Fox I'll marry you Rick I hope we honeymoon in Paris.
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May 19, 2017 08:27
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tanglewood1420 posted:Because their dad made them take multiple 40ft shots per game since middle school and if you are 10 years old in order to generate enough power to get the ball anywhere near the basket from that far out you end up developing really weird mechanics. This is true and it's why I'm a proponent of lower rims and smaller balls for kids until they get around like 4'8 THIS My PROBABLE picks MOCK DRAFfFFT, based on player profile, team needs, and front office tendencies UNAUTHORIZED  My personal big board puts guys who get the athleticism stats and have wingspan and play defense over milquetoast prototypical guys, and it's that personal rubric that picked all the great late round steals of the last 3 years, I'm going to start selling my big board on mimeograph, like Mel Kuiper in 1984.1 Celtics Markelle Fultz He's just what people wanted Deangelo Russel to be, which is the prototypical contemporary NBA pg who runs pnr well, finishes at the rim, and can make threes off the dribble 2 Lakers Josh Jackson I do agree with Rick, I think the Lakers are going to throw a curve and not pick the player with low floor, I think Lonzo is better than what I saw before. He seems like he could be Rubio esque, and that's a fun player who could succeed in the right situation, while Josh Jackson just looks like everything a not-great-shooting-but-scoring SF is supposed to be. I like the way he uses his body on the f court. He has an intuitiveness and a passion that are very likable. 3 Sixers Jayson Tatum He's a shooter and a well rounded offensive wing, something they lack, Jonny simmons's shooting and finishing make picking Lonzo too hazardous. The only downside is that he could be just a jack of all trades who never becomes anything special 4 Suns Lonzo Ball They want to run and don't mind 2 pg lineups. Could be fun, could be a less good Rubio esque player, but still fun 5 Kings De'Aron Fox They shouldn't take him, but he's just a haircut away from being a really fun and useful NBA guard 6 Magic Lauri Markannen -it took a long loving time to keep AAron Gordo at 4 for them but he put up really good numbers once it happened. They will pick someone who can shoot, whether it's Markannen or Monk 7 Timberwolves Jonathan Issac -Will make Towns at center a fait accompli and force him to learn defense and find his destiny. Could be a very good player with other good players around to give him some space to get up to speed 8 Knicks Dennis Smith - This is a love  to EvanTH, the Knicks will have their best pg since old Chauncey Billups, and their best scoring guard since Stephon Marbury. Smith and Porzingis pnrs could be unstoppable. might have to beg him to play defense, we'll see.9 Mavs Malik Monk - BPA and absolutely could score 20 points per game for them. Franky N is cool and all but they have their stopgap pg in Yogi Ferrel, so they can go bpa 10 Kings OG Anuboby Already drafted PG, have tons of young bigs already, will go for the upside and potential pick, Donovan Mitchell looks like a backup and Anuboby doesn't 11 Hornets Zach Collins Frank is a bust and they seem to like the white big men 12 Pistons Frank Nickatina - A guy who's really uninspiring on the tape against pros and really awesome on the U18. He's sort of a mirror version of Reggie Jackson, pretty decent athlete with freak arms, but he loves to pass instead of looking for his own, plays defense instead of not playing defense. His ceiling is a Dante Exum who can actually run an offense. I should say Jarret Allen because he could develop and maybe push Drummond, but Reggie Jackson's long term health is a question, and Ish Smith is awesome but he's a backup down to his soul. The coach is the GM, he'll pick this man if he's available. I didn't purposefully leave him unpicked to this point 13 Nuggets Jarret Allen their coach is a defense guy at heart and they'll go for someone to pair with Jokic and make up for his lackings, in the real draft if Allen is gone, I think they could draft OG or Ike Anigbogu because of their defensive potential. 14 Heat Donovan Mitchell - The heat will somehow take this inflated draft value due to wingspan guy who doesn't do anything that well and make him a solid three point shooter and defender somehow 15 Blazers Ike Anigbogu - developmental defense focused center who could be the desperate bucket mover collecting rain from their leaky defensive roof 16 Bulls Justin Jackson - From Bulls fans I've learned that the bulls like unathletic upperclassmen and are stupid 17 Bucks Hamadou Diallo - Seems like the sort of quirky but intriguing prospect the bulls like. Maybe Bam Adebadayo, but with Giannis at 4, I think its less likely, and they really need more scoring from 2/3 18 Pacers Terrance Ferguson -- They want to run and shoot threes. He runs and shoots threes. He is Terrence Ross's doppelganger in basketball style and physical talent. He could develop and learn how to use his incredible jumpiness and agility into basketball skills beyond Terrence Ross's, but he might not even reach T Ross's level. 19 Hawks Harry Giles - GM is now not the coach and they'll roll the dice on pedigree. If not him then someone else from a big school 20 Blazers - Bam Adebadayo - could well be a starter in a couple years or more possibly a solid 3rd big for a long time 21 Thunder - Wesley Iwundu I feel like they always take an under the radar guy with one stand out skill, this fits. I feel like they would take Rodions Kurucs but they'd feel shamed taking euros with their first pick two years in a row and not do it, unconciously.If not him then a non power conference pg 22 Nets Isaiah Hartenstein - His shooting would be a nice compliment, he has the potential to be great, truly great, but it's a gamble 23 Raptors Frank Jackson - A backup guard after they decide not to re-sign Kyle Lowry (Just kidding, real pick, Jaron Blossomgame, length, potential, not good in college) 24 Jazz - TJ Leaf seems like a spursy sort of player, and that's what they wanted in Diaw, a big who facilitates for all their scoring wings and possibly shoots. Otherwise, whichever pg they like 25 Magic - Rodions Kurucs, a second chance at a scoring wing after poor Mario H was murdered 26 Blazers - PJ Dozier a long back up combo guard so that they can attempt lineups with one of their two starting guards on the bench and have a non horrible awful defense, situationally 27 Nets Edmond Sumner - A guard who plays the run and fun style that they want to play, and has a super high ceiling. The exact sort of gamble they need to make. I'm tied between he and Luke Kennard, because Kennard seems like a Shawn Marks Spurs Culture and Shooting guy. They'll make this reach because they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. He could be a really good scoring pg, a starter, or he might just be one of several super athletic pgs who can't shoot who enter the NBA and then can't make layups, and just bounce around before leaving for China, a big bust. 28 Lakers Sindarius Thornwell - They need some toughness and fighting spirit, this plus Jackson would give them 2 tough team oriented players to get their high upside prospects in position to succeed, also gives them size. His shooting might be a mirage, if it isn't, he could really do something 29 Spurs Jordan Bell - the spurs will of course get the toolsy, intense, cares about basketball, not a perfect fit or prototypical guy and make him fit. Desperate for rim protection and athleticism in the frontcourt 30 Jazz John Collins - Mocks have him going much higher but,  , same goes for pattonI think I would push all the euros up about 4 picks but they didn't come to mind as easily as i've watched less of them except for Nickatina and Hartenstein. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 11:33 on May 19, 2017 |
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May 19, 2017 11:14
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I like your mock more than mine because I let draftexpress ranking talk me out of a lot of guys I like that you went ahead and picked anyway.
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May 19, 2017 11:43
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Jayson Tatum nooooooo
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May 19, 2017 13:04
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Someone wants to go to Sacramento ?
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May 19, 2017 13:07
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Rick posted:Eh, this was the "competency" draft, you draft BPA top 5 if you're competent. Len is bad, Bender has potential that they shouldn't give up on, but it was difficult to have on the floor a lot last season, so there are minutes at PF/C even with Chriss being Better Than SAS Projected. I wasn't knocking your picks just chuckling at the Dragan pick
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May 19, 2017 14:32
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Watched video on Jackson and he really does look like the he should go 2 or 3. He does a weird motion with his arms on his j tho. Obviously not as strange as ball. I don't even understand Balls shot. What the gently caress. How does that even happen.
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May 19, 2017 14:40
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Lonzo tanking down the draft would be hilarious as long as the cameras keep cutting to LaVar
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May 19, 2017 14:45
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I like that just because I want to see Lavar Ball on Shark Tank.
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May 19, 2017 14:56
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Rick posted:
When like 60% of people bust out of the league extremely quick in these drafts, a floor of "career NBAer" is pretty drat high imo. But that's pulling strings. I'd say that if you're a team like the 76ers or Suns who just straight up need talent then he will look pretty enticing. But who are we kidding, Magic is bad at his job and is taking him #2.
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May 19, 2017 15:33
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Isn't perlinka installed as gm by now.
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May 19, 2017 15:34
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IcePhoenix posted:Lonzo tanking down the draft would be hilarious as long as the cameras keep cutting to LaVar I don't see how he would get past the Kings.
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May 19, 2017 15:36
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http://www.foxsports.com/nba/gallery/nba-draft-mock-projections-history-average-best-player-available-lakers-celtics-051817 Thought this was interesting, they took the averaged stats of each first round pick over the past 30 years and found a player that had averaged those same stats to give an expectation for what you're getting at that pick.
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May 19, 2017 16:59
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Mo Bamba committed to Texas. https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/865222072183672833
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May 19, 2017 17:09
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My very stupid opinion is that Ainge is addicted to collecting assets, so the Sixers should give him their #3 pick this year and their pick next year and Okafor or whatever to move up to #1 for Fultz
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May 19, 2017 17:23
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Mo Bamba committed to Texas. I'm surprised Texas hasn't done better in the one-and-done era. I'd love to spend a year in Austin loving around and eating migas
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May 19, 2017 17:25
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dphi posted:http://www.foxsports.com/nba/gallery/nba-draft-mock-projections-history-average-best-player-available-lakers-celtics-051817 Not a very good method but some really funny results.
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May 19, 2017 17:27
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dphi posted:http://www.foxsports.com/nba/gallery/nba-draft-mock-projections-history-average-best-player-available-lakers-celtics-051817 Kinda neat but I'm curious what, if any, rigor went into those "averages." Maybe just average WS/48 or something.
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May 19, 2017 17:29
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Kinda neat but I'm curious what, if any, rigor went into those "averages." Maybe just average WS/48 or something. Reading Hard quote:For this exercise, we used win shares, win shares per-48 minutes, value over replacement player, and box-score plus-minus — four single-number advanced metrics — to come up with a statistical profile for the "average player" for each slot over the past 30 years, then scoured the NBA record books to find a player who best matched that stat line.
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May 19, 2017 17:31
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It's in the article, WS, WS/48, VORP, BPM
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May 19, 2017 17:31
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Fast Luck posted:My very stupid opinion is that Ainge is addicted to collecting assets, so the Sixers should give him their #3 pick this year and their pick next year and Okafor or whatever to move up to #1 for Fultz lol
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May 19, 2017 17:34
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Fast Luck posted:My very stupid opinion is that Ainge is addicted to collecting assets, so the Sixers should give him their #3 pick this year and their pick next year and Okafor or whatever to move up to #1 for Fultz That seems like an overpay for a guy who's outlook is 'very probably going to be a really good player', but not 'virtual lock franchise player' a la Anthony Davis pre-draft.
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May 19, 2017 17:50
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I figured it's stupid but I think the Sixers are going to be fighting for the 8 seed next season and not at the top of the lottery. Fultz is an astronomically better fit for the team than someone like Josh Jackson
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May 19, 2017 17:57
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euphronius posted:Watched video on Jackson and he really does look like the he should go 2 or 3. He does a weird motion with his arms on his j tho. Obviously not as strange as ball. I don't even understand Balls shot. What the gently caress. How does that even happen. I had to get used to watching it, it's this weird scoop up when he brings the ball up. I thought he would get blocked a lot but it didn't really happen. kiimo fucked around with this message at 18:12 on May 19, 2017 |
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May 19, 2017 18:09
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tanglewood1420 posted:That seems like an overpay for a guy who's outlook is 'very probably going to be a really good player', but not 'virtual lock franchise player' a la Anthony Davis pre-draft.
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May 19, 2017 18:33
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Really doubt that pick is going anywhere. They're going to try to lure Hayward and keep it. I don't think the Butler or George things are likely to happen at all
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May 19, 2017 18:44
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Cool Buff Man posted:Really doubt that pick is going anywhere. They're going to try to lure Hayward and keep it. I don't think the Butler or George things are likely to happen at all I think if the trade was going to happen it would have happened this trade deadline. Bulls/pacers really overplayed their hand on butler/PG if they wanted to move them for good assets this year.
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May 19, 2017 19:22
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morestuff posted:I'm surprised Texas hasn't done better in the one-and-done era. I'd love to spend a year in Austin loving around and eating migas "I'm John Calipari/Coach K here come to my basketball school where you can play against NBA athletes that visit all the time and benefit from the best basketball facilities illegal boosting can buy"
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May 19, 2017 21:12
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euphronius posted:Isn't perlinka installed as gm by now. The Lakers are a complete unknown at the moment. Their draft guru is still employed (for now, I wouldn't be surprised to see him join his dad in Golden State eventually, unless he's sticking around for a shot to run the Lakers when Johnson explodes). And Mitch Kupchak is possibly still advising them???? This has been reported but I don't know why he would??? He was at the combine but no one knows who he was working for. But anyway this would be 2/3 of a great drafting team that had no problem saying no to what the vocal, drooling Lakers fans wanted. If everyone is in place and being allowed to do their job, the Lakers should still be pretty good at drafting. But for all we know Magic is just going to barge in and say he wants Lonzo and Frank Mason and that's that. Nobody knows what's going to happen.
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May 19, 2017 22:37
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Rick posted:The Lakers are a complete unknown at the moment. Their draft guru is still employed (for now, I wouldn't be surprised to see him join his dad in Golden State eventually, unless he's sticking around for a shot to run the Lakers when Johnson explodes). And Mitch Kupchak is possibly still advising them???? This has been reported but I don't know why he would??? He was at the combine but no one knows who he was working for. But anyway this would be 2/3 of a great drafting team that had no problem saying no to what the vocal, drooling Lakers fans wanted. Kupchak may be doing what McCloughan does in the NFL when he drinks his way out of a job, scouting as an independent contractor and selling his opinion to existing front offices.
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May 19, 2017 22:55
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Doltos posted:"I'm John Calipari/Coach K here come to my basketball school where you can play against NBA athletes that visit all the time and benefit from the best basketball facilities illegal boosting can buy" This bit has nothing on Texas though. Even if it all trickles down through their currently bad football program.
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May 19, 2017 23:05
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Doltos posted:best basketball facilities illegal boosting can buy" 
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May 19, 2017 23:22
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Have you seen the dorms the Kentucky players live in?
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Have you seen how many fans Kentucky has? Assuming Kentucky cheats misses the point entirely. They don't have to cheat.
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