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Tsurupettan
Mar 26, 2011

My many CoX, always poised, always ready, always willing to thrust.

Toshimo posted:

Nerds aren't lining up to gently caress a Goatman. So we get D.Va and Cassia.

just put yrel in the game

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Hail Mr. Satan!
Oct 3, 2009

by zen death robot

Tsurupettan posted:

just put yrel in the game

I've actually wondered where she is, because she'd be kinda perfect, especially since Uther is the only WoW Paladin representation in the game.

bio347
Oct 29, 2012

Semper Fudge posted:

The official good master skins list:

ETC
Anub
Chromie
Lost Vikings
Murky
Xul
Muradin
Jaina
Auriel
Cho'gall
Greymane
Ragnoras

The list has concluded, please return to your business.
Black-and-blue master Tyrael disputes your list.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Toshimo posted:

Nerds aren't lining up to gently caress a Goatman. So we get D.Va and Cassia.

Maybe not goatman

Cuntellectual
Aug 6, 2010

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

The only time I use matrix is try to cover a retreat. It's super awkward and I avoid talents for it because I don't find it useful

It blocks % HP damage, for all those dastardly Tychus players who still exist. :v:

Kalko
Oct 9, 2004

I find Fusion Generator at 4 is also the fastest way to charge your self-destruct. It is embarrassing though when you place a field in the exact opposite location to what you wanted.

Oxyclean
Sep 23, 2007


:eyepop: Just got Goliath D.Va out of a rare box. That saves me the thought of paying real money for the bundle.

When exactly does the nexus challenge end? Like tonight or do we have the 22nd? Can't find a clear answer.

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

Ciaphas posted:

In what loving universe is this matchmaking acceptable


Just make peace with the fact that Quick Match is never going to have matchmaking. Their stupid insistence on not having Varian count as a tank, along with several other heroes who can-do-the-role-but-don't-count-as-one, means that a lot of matches will be circuses if you're not queuing up as a tank or healer.

I'm really amazed they didn't do a rehaul of the roles with 2.0.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
I really need to level up more heroes. Thrall is so close to 5. Dehaka is so close to 10.

But this little fish man. He's just too good. He's just too powerful

Relentless
Sep 22, 2007

It's a perfect day for some mayhem!


Macaluso posted:

I really need to level up more heroes. Thrall is so close to 5. Dehaka is so close to 10.

But this little fish man. He's just too good. He's just too powerful

This is the eternal problem of HotS.

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

He's not a fish man until 20.

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗

Oh Snapple! posted:

He's not a fish man until 20.

I queued as a fishboy and finished the match a fishman

Jinh
Sep 12, 2008

Fun Shoe
Wait so does hots actually try to put support players into every game even in qp? I figured it was just totally random characters, in a lot of my games there isn't a character on either team who could remotely identify as a support. It's all illidans all the way down.

Poultron
May 26, 2006

It doesn't make me happy if you call me cute, you bastard!

Jinh posted:

Wait so does hots actually try to put support players into every game even in qp?

hahahah

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Jinh posted:

Wait so does hots actually try to put support players into every game even in qp? I figured it was just totally random characters, in a lot of my games there isn't a character on either team who could remotely identify as a support. It's all illidans all the way down.

No.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


Jinh posted:

Wait so does hots actually try to put support players into every game even in qp? I figured it was just totally random characters, in a lot of my games there isn't a character on either team who could remotely identify as a support. It's all illidans all the way down.

It tries to put groups with support against other groups with support.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Macaluso posted:

I really need to level up more heroes. Thrall is so close to 5. Dehaka is so close to 10.

But this little fish man. He's just too good. He's just too powerful

I've had Tracer, Zarya and Thrall all 2-3 games away from level 5 for weeks but all I wanna do is play as a bratty korean progamer or a bratty xiansai wizard, which I guess is Diablo's own version of koren progamers.

Avalerion
Oct 19, 2012

Do they have something where some characters counts as a specialist even if they aren't? Cause i keep getting tons of games where one team has two and the other none.

Raised By Birds
May 5, 2013
Had quite a few games of my nexus challenge run where our team had 1 support (often me), and the other team had 2.

Those tended to be hard matchups.

Should probably point out those 15ish games I did for the challenge were the first QMs I had ever done. I tried to do well, but sometimes it just felt like we were outmatched way too hard (or maybe just I was :ohdear:).

The best game out of the whole run though was a Haunted Mines match. We were on the backfoot the whole drat game, down a few levels, and the enemy team had just taken out our keeps and sent so many mercs and poo poo down the lanes that we were forced to clean the base instead of heading right to the mines. Thing is though, their bottom keep was down.
While they were collecting 100 Skulls, we bumrushed their core and snagged the win. :buddy:

p.s. I hate Butcher now.

Jinh
Sep 12, 2008

Fun Shoe

SirSamVimes posted:

It tries to put groups with support against other groups with support.

Ah that's fine then

Avalerion
Oct 19, 2012

They do have a support lite category, so some like Tassadar and Tyrrande it tries to group against Abathur and Zarya.

Poultron
May 26, 2006

It doesn't make me happy if you call me cute, you bastard!
I cannot loving describe how miserably loving tired I am of being matched up with 5 stacks 700+ levels above me, alone, while my team has Medivh or two level 60 guys. I don't loving care how broken and lovely QM is "supposed to" be, this cannot loving possibly ever be an acceptable match. Jesus gently caress

EDIT:

I guess it's my fault for playing at 5 AM.

EDIT2: Their Nova was much worse than our Nova. This was the least worst of the games I played tonight, somehow

Poultron fucked around with this message at 11:51 on May 22, 2017

Hail Mr. Satan!
Oct 3, 2009

by zen death robot
One of the main reasons I mostly play HL is to avoid the awful QM matchmaking

Poultron
May 26, 2006

It doesn't make me happy if you call me cute, you bastard!
Yeah I really wanted to improve my general knowledge after being gone for a year but I'm reaching my breaking point and I'll probably just play HL from now on. loving jesus QM is such a clownshoes garbage fiesta it's nearly unplayable for me.

Gustav
Jul 12, 2006

This is all very confusing. Do you mind if I call you Rodriguez?
You're complaining about being matched against people who are higher level..? As in hero level? As in that meaningless number that means nothing and no one cares about?

Poultron
May 26, 2006

It doesn't make me happy if you call me cute, you bastard!
It's mostly the obviously-coordinated 5 stack poo poo that bothers me, but don't act like it isn't demoralizing to be matched up with people with hundreds more hours of playtime, whether it guarantees higher skill or not.

Schneider Inside Her
Aug 6, 2009

Please bitches. If nothing else I am a gentleman
QM is for playing with bros and getting better at heroes in my opinion.

I say that as someone who only plays QM. I figure it's like OW where people in comp are just as bad as quick play but much angrier

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

this is fine



T E A M L E A G U E

Come for the best draft system in the game, stay for the +215% bonus EXP.

At gold/plat rank matches are pretty even, except the 1 in 10 games where you are chosen as community sacrifice to the 5 diamonds so they don't wait in 10 minute queues.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

I got placed in gold 2. I should see if i can get that higher in the few weeks left

Poultron
May 26, 2006

It doesn't make me happy if you call me cute, you bastard!

BrianBoitano posted:

T E A M L E A G U E

Come for the best draft system in the game, stay for the +215% bonus EXP.

At gold/plat rank matches are pretty even, except the 1 in 10 games where you are chosen as community sacrifice to the 5 diamonds so they don't wait in 10 minute queues.

Everything I've heard about TL is that the matchmaking is nightmarish, and I don't think my drafting is quite good enough :smith:

Musluk
May 23, 2011





Warlord Murky, found on reddit.

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


QM is the nothing matters game mode, there's almost nothing you can do to individually affect the outcome except not die or play a really snowbally hero like Ming.

Jinh
Sep 12, 2008

Fun Shoe
When the enemy team is deathballing all game should you spread out to all lanes to soak exp faster or just team fight them back? I disagree with a friend's who says that this is an exclusively team fighting game, I think you should deathball to mid then spread out even if they stick together since lane exp should put pace the deathball. But we're both new and bad so idk which is better.

E: i just personally find the laning phase to be fun too so i could def be wrong

Jinh fucked around with this message at 13:56 on May 22, 2017

Nephzinho
Jan 25, 2008





Jinh posted:

When the enemy team is deathballing all game should you spread out to all lanes to soak exp faster or just team fight them back? I disagree with a friend's who says that this is an exclusively team fighting game, I think you should deathball to mid then spread out even if they stick together since lane exp should put pace the deathball. But we're both new and bad so idk which is better.

E: i just personally find the laning phase to be fun too so i could def be wrong

Depends on the map and the number of lanes, but yes, you should spread out and soak while leaving your ranged wave clear slowing down the push. You might go down a little on XP or stay even if they take the fort, but you will have "banked' that fort xp for later and will hopefully get to 10 first and can THEN counter their 5 man push with ults. Hanamura this does not work as much because losing even a fort there is devastating.

bamhand
Apr 15, 2010

BrianBoitano posted:

T E A M L E A G U E

Come for the best draft system in the game, stay for the +215% bonus EXP.

At gold/plat rank matches are pretty even, except the 1 in 10 games where you are chosen as community sacrifice to the 5 diamonds so they don't wait in 10 minute queues.

It's about 2/3 games that are blatantly unfair for me.

Dietrich
Sep 11, 2001

Jinh posted:

When the enemy team is deathballing all game should you spread out to all lanes to soak exp faster or just team fight them back? I disagree with a friend's who says that this is an exclusively team fighting game, I think you should deathball to mid then spread out even if they stick together since lane exp should put pace the deathball. But we're both new and bad so idk which is better.

E: i just personally find the laning phase to be fun too so i could def be wrong

There are so many variables there isn't a great single answer for this question. Worst case scenario, just wipe their minions then rotate to the closest lane and wipe those minions as 4, while one soaks the far lane. As long as they have to tank tower shots to attack your buildings it's alright to leave the lane. Make sure to warn on rotations and have the solo laner play it safe so they don't get ganked. Don't commit to a 4v5 teamfight unless you're a talent tier up and one of their guys is out of position and prime to be blown up.

Gustav
Jul 12, 2006

This is all very confusing. Do you mind if I call you Rodriguez?
If the defense is going well stay and soak/push. If the defense is going badly go help. If the defense is going really badly stay and soak/push.

Nephzinho
Jan 25, 2008





Gustav posted:

If the defense is going well stay and soak/push. If the defense is going badly go help. If the defense is going really badly stay and soak/push.

Learning to tell the difference between those last two can take a while.

Jinh
Sep 12, 2008

Fun Shoe
Makes sense, so we were both probably wrong on different maps and in different situations, idk how i didn't make that connection before. I definitely have a lot to learn about pinging and wave clearing before rotating at least.

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bamhand
Apr 15, 2010

Jinh posted:

Makes sense, so we were both probably wrong on different maps and in different situations, idk how i didn't make that connection before. I definitely have a lot to learn about pinging and wave clearing before rotating at least.

When in doubt split soaking is the correct answer IF your teammates understand that they need to avoid fighting/dying. In general people don't understand safe soaking very well. All you need to do is stand near minions while they die. You don't need to actively kill them or attack your opponent. You can just sit in a bush and wait. In fact it's often detrimental to kill minions yourself because it pushes the wave closer to the enemy fort and forces you to get further and further out of position to soak.

Constantly trying to fight or harass will expend your resources (hp/mana) and when you run out you'll be forced to go heal and then you will miss several waves of xp if you're solo laning. If you notice your opponent is running out of mana/hp slower than you are then you should back off and just soak. If the opposite is true then you can keep harassing them to hopefully force them out of the lane. But be aware that as you push the wave forward you become more and more vulnerable to a rotation and gank from their team.

bamhand fucked around with this message at 14:52 on May 22, 2017

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