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Nerses IV posted:Remember the last time the shooter was white, and people were like "that's weird, why were all the victims at this mosque shooting men?" and it turned out mosques have a special loving segregated floor for the loving women lmao When I was taking a world religions course in college the professor offered extra credit if we went to go tour the local mosque and write about our experience. Any women who tried were made to stand in a corner while the men they were with went on a tour and they had to wait until they were done or wait outside. lol
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Agag posted:You need a baseline set of resources to go on a killing spree. Without that middle class economic background its impossible. Correct
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May 23, 2017 23:11
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mooslemen hate women
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OMG JC a Bomb! posted:When I was taking a world religions course in college the professor offered extra credit if we went to go tour the local mosque and write about our experience. Any women who tried were made to stand in a corner while the men they were with went on a tour and they had to wait until they were done or wait outside. This is a thing that started getting really popular in the 80's when the Saudis started pouring money into Sunni mosques around the world. Pretty hosed up IMO.
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Agag posted:Because she's a proven fraud How so?
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rezatahs posted:mooslemen hate women Not all musselmen. Personally, I love women
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spacetoaster posted:How so? She became an apostate!
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Snatch Duster posted:She became an apostate! And married a white man!
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Secular Humanist posted:I know my av confuses things sometimes but I *am* a liberal just fyi. And it's not that I think american conservatism is more supportive in a genuine sense, but they do kind of end up being the supportive party from the perspective of muslim reformers. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is relegated to fox news for some mind boggling reason. Liberals have seemingly left her out in the cold, meanwhile bernie is tweeting about "standing with linda", who has publically smeared virtually every reform muslim with any influence in western media, while singing the praises of sharia law no less. Both sides are confused on Islam and the reason I'm hard on the left is because they're the ones actively supporting the worst elements of it (usually, probably always, unwittingly). The left has no balls to speak honestly about it, so it creates a vacuum for genuine anti-muslim biggots like pam gellar to swoop in and kick the fear mongering into full gear. i disagree with nawaz though, because i think a society can only be truly liberal if it allows individuals to express their own illiberalism (as long as it's legal). and if we must tolerate illiberal versions of political expressions (say with self-described communists or fascists) then we should also tolerate religious versions. so sam harris saying that a liberal society should force people to be liberal / secular -- that often doesn't work out very well.
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spacetoaster posted:How so? You can google that poo poo but in short half of her biography is a lie and she lied to get citizenship in the Netherlands and when she was exposed rather than duke it out there legally she moved to the US where she could find a fresh bunch of marks. She's done really well by it, can't fault her for a solid grift.
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Secular Humanist posted:I know my av confuses things sometimes but I *am* a liberal just fyi. And it's not that I think american conservatism is more supportive in a genuine sense, but they do kind of end up being the supportive party from the perspective of muslim reformers. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is relegated to fox news for some mind boggling reason. Liberals have seemingly left her out in the cold, meanwhile bernie is tweeting about "standing with linda", who has publically smeared virtually every reform muslim with any influence in western media, while singing the praises of sharia law no less. Both sides are confused on Islam and the reason I'm hard on the left is because they're the ones actively supporting the worst elements of it (usually, probably always, unwittingly). The left has no balls to speak honestly about it, so it creates a vacuum for genuine anti-muslim biggots like pam gellar to swoop in and kick the fear mongering into full gear. there is a body count high enough that will reverse the above eventually, it is inevitable. we are getting close, even 1 year ago having a frank discussion about it in gbs would be met with 10 people swooping in to call everyone a racist
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:100 years ago they would have been communists or labor activists but unfortunately communism and indeed any sort of communal action has been so throougly attacked and killed in absentia in the American psyche that it's almost impossible for these people to find an ideology and organize to express their outrage constructively. because that's all hippie poo poo and the powers that be who control the media have worked hard to make sure the popular movements of the 60s and 70s won't happen again. or they might have been Howard Unruh or Andrew Kehoe I'm not discounting the narrative you're advancing, but you probably should consider whether much of the perceived difference is simply due to population size and media effects there are also probably other social changes to consider as well- i.e. the average level of social violence many people would experience and socially accept in the late 19th and early 20th centuries is very out of line with modern expectations
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Agag posted:You can google that poo poo but in short half of her biography is a lie and she lied to get citizenship in the Netherlands and when she was exposed rather than duke it out there legally she moved to the US where she could find a fresh bunch of marks. Wow. Ok, I googled it and it says that she isn't a fraud and that she's totally legit. I guess you just googled wrong. 
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:yeah i agree and think that liberal orgs like the SPLC including reformers like ayaan hirsi ali and maajid nawaz on the list of "anti-muslim extremists" is ridiculous. and the result is that it does what you say it does. Ali literally said Islam needs to be destroyed. Nawaz owes his whole career to Sam Harris, who thinks Islam needs to be destroyed for science.
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spacetoaster posted:Ok, I googled it and it says that she isn't a fraud and that she's totally legit. Cool, man. Everybody wins.
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Agag posted:Ali literally said Islam needs to be destroyed. Nawaz owes his whole career to Sam Harris, who thinks Islam needs to be destroyed for science. Maybe it's like how Death to America, Death to Israel, Death to Jews etc doesn't actually mean all that stuff, but rather is speaking metaphorically
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Agag posted:Islam needs to be destroyed. True. But only the parts that don't conform to western standards.
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Nerses IV posted:Death to America, Death to Israel, Death to Jews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmw7VbegrNs
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Morrissey posted:Celebrating my birthday in Manchester as news of the Manchester Arena bomb broke. The anger is monumental. Morrissey you card
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Nerses IV posted:Maybe it's like how Death to America, Death to Israel, Death to Jews etc doesn't actually mean all that stuff, but rather is speaking metaphorically Pretty sure SPLC also has a list of people who say "death to Jews."
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spacetoaster posted:True. But only the parts that don't conform to western standards. Sounds easy.
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Agag posted:Pretty sure SPLC also has a list of people who say "death to Jews." And I'm pretty sure your best pals Hezbollah are on it
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Nerses IV posted:Death to America, Death to Israel Stay out of my posting history
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Nerses IV posted:And I'm pretty sure your best pals Hezbollah are on it At least keep it in Southern Lebanon.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i disagree with nawaz though, because i think a society can only be truly liberal if it allows individuals to express their own illiberalism (as long as it's legal). and if we must tolerate illiberal versions of political expressions (say with self-described communists or fascists) then we should also tolerate religious versions. so sam harris saying that a liberal society should force people to be liberal / secular -- that often doesn't work out very well. I've read some of Shadi Hamid's responses to Nawaz's framework, which is in line with what you seem to be saying fwiw, it's an interesting argument - though I'm very much on the outside of it. The term "Islamism" itself seems to have gotten much more of a foothold in the dialogue in the past few years, which seems good.
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Agag posted:Sounds easy. It's getting easier.
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What i find really shocking and discussing is the invasion DnD posters not willing to condemn the terrorist attack in manchester. 12 and 8 year old blown to bits... How can you defend this?
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Snatch Duster posted:
Leftists will find a way. Until we can get rid of them in Trump's second term.
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Agag posted:Ali literally said Islam needs to be destroyed. Nawaz owes his whole career to Sam Harris, who thinks Islam needs to be destroyed for science. The Landstander posted:Nawaz is a pretty big free speech guy, though - I can even recall him defending that nut Anjem Choudary on a legal basis. He's very much about "intellectually destroy Islamism (which is separate from "Islam")" as a thing - take it or leave it - but I haven't really heard him say to shut down wacky Islamist groups in Britain and stuff. and yeah i've deffo been reading shadi hamid -- you spotted it BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 23:30 on May 23, 2017 |
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My FB is literally full of idiots saying "Welp, this stuff happens. There's really nothing you can do."
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Snatch Duster posted:What i find really shocking and discussing is the invasion DnD posters not willing to condemn the terrorist attack in manchester. Blood for the blood god
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Snatch Duster posted:12 and 8 year old blown to bits... Trump did it better imo.
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Why don't the families buy lottery tickets? Someone always says "you're more likely to win the lottery than be a victim of a terrorist attack" so they should get in while the odds are in their favor
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Christ, I've been by the MEN Arena so many times on the bus I can relate, I live near that sea lion who tried to eat the Chinese girl.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rket4xvu_ac UK, sort yourselves out mate.
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Snatch Duster posted:What i find really shocking and discussing is the invasion DnD posters not willing to condemn the terrorist attack in manchester. Who is defending that, SD?
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spacetoaster posted:My FB is literally full of idiots saying "Welp, this stuff happens. There's really nothing you can do." Pretty wise for FB.
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Snatch Duster posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rket4xvu_ac So that's what chavs grow up to be
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All Morrissey is saying is you have to make sure you only "let the right one in"
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