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Oberleutnant posted:I may be mis-remembering, but didn't the uptick in armed police flouncing around London came after the 7/7 bombings? This is just an escalation of that, I suppose. That was allegedly in reaction to a threat but I'm not sure what kind of threat tanks would be useful against. Maybe the terrorists were going to entrench themselves around Terminal 3. e: .223, about the maximum thing you should be using for urban serious threat situations. Not tanks. Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 12:54 on May 24, 2017 |
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Lightning Lord posted:Am I right in remembering they didn't even do anything approaching this crazy poo poo in response to the 2005 tube attacks? Before my time but I don't think there was a framework for military support of mainland police operations in place until after then.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The thing is that this thread isn't very big on the traditional 'SJW' issues, they're normally dismissed as student politics. We just aren't explicitly racist for the most part. Only problem is the euphemism treadmill is kind of tiring. For example, I give it 3 months before 'student politics' becomes a code phrase meaning 'people who are not fully onboard with mass internment camps'.
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Guavanaut posted:Blair sent tanks to Heathrow in 2003 for a publicity stunt that achieved nothing and cost millions in lost business and tourism. on the plus side if the terrorists do try and sneak a T-55 into heathrow it's hosed.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Hence the people going off half cocked about politics they know nothing about and claiming we want to gulag everyone and love East Germany. Speak for yourself.
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Oberleutnant posted:I may be mis-remembering, but didn't the uptick in armed police flouncing around London came after the 7/7 bombings? This is just an escalation of that, I suppose. There is a world of difference in the training of armed police and infantry soldiers though. I'm sure you know all about modern army training, but for those that don't here is a video (its lindybeige, if you can put up with him) about what and why. Sort of topical, the news are going on about deprogramming jihadis, but little talk is ever given to deprogramming soldiers when they are discharged. What percentage of the prison population are ex-soldiers?
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Regarde Aduck posted:The worst ones were actual Trump supporting GBS posters who were posting here for lols. I've no doubt one of them said "lol i bet UKMT, who are all muslim converts, are saying this is a good thing. Lets get them boys!" or words to that effect. More racism and weird compound insults. Hence the people going off half cocked about politics they know nothing about and claiming we want to gulag everyone and love East Germany. And this isn't?
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Collateral posted:There is a world of difference in the training of armed police and infantry soldiers though. quote:Hundreds of ex-members of the armed forces will be hired as prison guards to bring more discipline to jails, Liz Truss will announce today. The Justice Secretary is launching a recruitment campaign targeting former military personnel to work in jails. Why deprogram them when they're useful somewhere else?
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I'm expecting armed police at polling stations and think pieces about the psychological impact on voting intentions
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Guavanaut posted:Blair sent tanks to Heathrow in 2003 for a publicity stunt that achieved nothing and cost millions in lost business and tourism. I mean, to be fair the IRA did mortar airports and stuff back in the day, if I recall. Tanks aren't necessarily overkill against a group that literally had stuff like surface-to-air missiles in their shooty collection. (Also, wasn't it Scorpions? As opposed to, y'know, a proper tank-tank ie Challengers)
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Join the military, maybe not die and then come back to Britain and enjoy your PTSD while being homeless or be in constant fear of attack while you work for poo poo money in a prison. Hooray! Also considering how most Tory stunts have gone this time around I wonder if the security theatre is going to convince the most paranoid to stay away from their polling station on the day.
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feedmegin posted:I mean, to be fair the IRA did mortar airports and stuff back in the day, if I recall. Tanks aren't necessarily overkill against a group that literally had stuff like surface-to-air missiles in their shooty collection. Are tanks particularly effective against surface-to-air missiles?
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feedmegin posted:I mean, to be fair the IRA did mortar airports and stuff back in the day, if I recall. Tanks aren't necessarily overkill against a group that literally had stuff like surface-to-air missiles in their shooty collection. The Scorpion is an armoured reconnaissance vehicle, not a tank 
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Is it fair to blame the increased security presence and paranoia following 7/7 for the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes?
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TheRat posted:Are tanks particularly effective against surface-to-air missiles? They're only really in danger when they're doing sick flips off ramps, so.
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feedmegin posted:I mean, to be fair the IRA did mortar airports and stuff back in the day, if I recall. Tanks aren't necessarily overkill against a group that literally had stuff like surface-to-air missiles in their shooty collection. Scimitar but yes you are right. Not much use even against the hypothetical T-55 mentioned earlier. I also share the concerns about infantry tactics not being suitable for police work, though I imagine the people being deployed are specifically trained. I've done riot control as part of urban training.
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knox_harrington posted:Scimitar but yes you are right. Not much use even against the hypothetical T-55 mentioned earlier. Should've gone with the Scorpion.
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thehappyprince posted:this would probably work better if they weren't stepping aside for the tories in numerous seats tbh They no longer have Arron Banks bankrolling them and they know they're going to lose a poo poo-ton of deposits. 'Stepping aside' for pro-Brexit Tories is a lovely way to quietly save money while still pretending to have influence.
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I can't say anything for the Brit armed forces, but the American armed forces riot control manual is called something like "Kill or Get Killed - Riot Control tactics, Manhandling, and Close Combat for the Police and Military". So there's something nice to think about.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-4535970/JAMES-HARKIN-Ariana-Grande-symbol-Islamists-hate.html They totally targeted children cause Ariana wears revealing outfits. Absolute rag.
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TheRat posted:Are tanks particularly effective against surface-to-air missiles? They're probably a bit effective for the shower of shrapnel and burning fuel that would result from their effective use.
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Oberleutnant posted:I can't say anything for the Brit armed forces, but the American armed forces riot control manual is called something like "Kill or Get Killed - Riot Control tactics, Manhandling, and Close Combat for the Police and Military". So there's something nice to think about. Holy gently caress. I looked it up and one of the top reviews said "The racial biases of the work are disturbing". 
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spectralent posted:Holy gently caress. I looked it up and one of the top reviews said "The racial biases of the work are disturbing". hahaha jesus christ
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The racist fuckwits invading the thread was one thing, happens occasionally. But to discover that our beloved moral compass and spiritual leader Oberleutnant doesn't drink tea has shaken me to the very core.
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Oberleutnant posted:hahaha jesus christ quote:The ideological and racist biases of the text are disturbing, but represent authentically the mindset of someone who trained soldiers, police, intelligence officers, etc. to defend the state. EDIT: AHAHAHA quote:A fantastic book on self defense and lethal techniques. It's an oldie, but the basic principles still hold true. This book won't make you capable or teach you how to instantly overcome fear, but it will give you specific instructions on how to make yourself less of a target and less of a liability. Any man who wants to protect his family should read this.
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Trying to work out this graph https://twitter.com/SebastianEPayne/status/867328403162136577
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Oberleutnant posted:I can't say anything for the Brit armed forces, but the American armed forces riot control manual is called something like "Kill or Get Killed - Riot Control tactics, Manhandling, and Close Combat for the Police and Military". So there's something nice to think about. I have a .pdf copy from a bunch of military manuals I got in a torrent and it's very much a  even among some of the '50s era US army stuff.If anyone actually wants a self defence book recommendation then "all in fighting" by W E Fairbairn will show you many many different ways of hurting nazis. often in the groin.
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I would guess from inference that the higher the number is the more favourable the leaders ratings, local election results and polling accuracy are to the government is equivalent to them having a substantial poll lead without directly asking that question. I question the validity of this method even before seeing the methodology.
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It's very very easy to put what you think is important into a model and get something out that matches reality well.
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the tories are u-turning on their school breakfast club plan because they hosed up the costings by ~£340 million lol
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DesperateDan posted:I have a .pdf copy from a bunch of military manuals I got in a torrent and it's very much a  Not sure this would pass modern community sensitive standards though. 
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Caption competition time
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Right in the Nazbols.
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Frankly they both look like Nazis
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Guavanaut posted:Love the expressions. "That's my purse, I don't know you"
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Jose posted:i don't think its weird referring to people from asia as asians
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Lord have mercy https://twitter.com/MPSHackney/status/867126194000494592
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