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Will Jon Jones ever fight in the UFC again? This poll is closed. |
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TJ will miss weight then beat DJ, then lose to Cody
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May 24, 2017 17:51
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I think he can make 125. It seems like he's pretty small compared to most 135 guys
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May 24, 2017 18:01
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He is very lean tho. Lean and ripply
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May 24, 2017 18:02
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Unfunny Poster posted:Caught up on TUF before this week's episode. I haven't really been emotionally invested in any of the last 10 or so TUF seasons, but if Julian loving Lane is the first one to turn it around for Cody - against Stripper Ramsay, no less - I'm gonna be bummed.
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May 24, 2017 18:05
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Skip My Posts posted:I think he can make 125. It seems like he's pretty small compared to most 135 guys He probably can, but the nightmare scenario for DJ begins with TJ missing weight. DJ needs to be paid to take that risk.
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May 24, 2017 18:05
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It's not crazy for MM to insist that TJ make the cut and fight before he agrees to the bout IMO. However, the UFC will likely throw money at him so he signs anyways.
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May 24, 2017 18:10
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Bubba Smith posted:. Demetrious Johnson himself fought for years at 135. Why was that again?
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May 24, 2017 18:11
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1st AD posted:Cruz vs. TJ did 125k buys, if TJ is a bigger draw it's really marginal I thought that fight was on free tv, an FS1 show, which earned the 2nd highest ratings ever only coming behind Conor McGregor's fight all i know is tj dillashaw has done good ratings on free tv before, while demetrious johnson pulled the worst ratings in UFC on FOX history in his last outing. Pay TJ Dillashaw to take the MIghty Mouse fight
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May 24, 2017 18:11
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Dan Didio posted:Why was that again? There was no 125 I think
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May 24, 2017 18:12
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Skip My Posts posted:There was no 125 I think Correct.
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May 24, 2017 18:13
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TJ is a warrior, mighty mouse is a drat nerd. Mighty mouse is scared of fighting someone who isnt a 2-0 prospect.
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May 24, 2017 18:13
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Mighty Mouse should fight TJ for free and if doesn't, he's a pussy.
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May 24, 2017 18:14
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mewse posted:Vice's fightland continues their strident defense of anything Cyborg does because mumble bodyshaming mumble Everybody should read this. It's like an insane screed from an alternate universe. quote:Cris Cyborg may be the perfect spokesperson for the enterprise. Presumably in that she looks and acts like a Klingon. Shirkelton fucked around with this message at 18:18 on May 24, 2017 |
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May 24, 2017 18:15
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Work Friend Keven posted:TJ is a warrior, mighty mouse is a drat nerd. Mighty mouse is scared of fighting someone who isnt a 2-0 prospect. Thank you.
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May 24, 2017 18:17
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I get the fear that he will miss weight but tj absolutely does not need to beat some no name at 125 first. Cody will be healthy after that anyway and tj will be back to fighting for that title
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May 24, 2017 18:18
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Bubba Smith posted:I thought that fight was on free tv, an FS1 show, which earned the 2nd highest ratings ever only coming behind Conor McGregor's fight You are correct, for some reason I read the buyrate chart for TJ vs. Joe Soto as TJ vs. Cruz 
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May 24, 2017 18:21
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Mighty mouse would kick TJs rear end , lol
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May 24, 2017 18:24
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I get that there are other factors at work here but yeah, TJ lost to Cruz largely because Cruz was too fast for him and Mighty Mouse has even more cardio and is even faster than Cruz was. Seems like a pretty safe bet.
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May 24, 2017 18:25
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lmao at cruz being too fast for tj
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May 24, 2017 18:28
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Skip My Posts posted:lmao at cruz being too fast for tj He was too fast for TJ to land anything solid or clean on him until he slowed down and his foot hurt or whatever it was, yeah
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May 24, 2017 18:29
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fighting completely to avoid any real exchanges, throwing winging punches with no power while exiting the pocket and still getting kicked in the face 8 times isnt too fast for tj
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May 24, 2017 18:32
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while mm is way better than cruz in every way he is much smaller and will be taken down by tj i'd bet
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May 24, 2017 18:34
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Skip My Posts posted:while mm is way better than cruz in every way he is much smaller and will be taken down by tj i'd bet If it goes to the ground, DJ is probably a significant favorite.
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May 24, 2017 18:43
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I disagree that he's a significant favorite anywhere. I think it's closely matched
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May 24, 2017 18:48
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I wonder what the difference in weight would be at fight time. I'd guess that DJ's going to be giving up a significant amount.
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May 24, 2017 18:48
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Salaries don't have to be based on drawing power, particularly when drawing power can be directly influenced by the promoter to no small degree unless you're a mega-star like Conor who transcends logic in terms of popularity. If the UFC keep putting you on the undercard of foreign fight night cards, you're not going to get any drawing power. Then what should they be based on? I'm asking in earnest. As it stands, promotors make money in 3 ways: 1) Ticket Sales, 2) PPV Sales, 3) TV Deals. Unfortunately, MM doesn't provide much value in any of those categories. As far the the promotor creating stars, that's a different issue, but I'm firmly in the camp the promotor has very little control over that. If it were up to the UFC, they'd make every fighter as popular as McGregor so they could clean house every weekend selling million buy PPVs. The UFC can put MM on our TV sets everyday, but they can't make us care about him and they surely wish we did. Personalities sell tickets. Perfect jabs do not. To me it's hard to say he deserves more because his technical skills exceed those of others. The technical skills of fighters do not make the UFC more money. He needs to sell more tickets, however the hell he can, in order to really "deserve" more money, IMO. Tezcatlipoca posted:At least 500k per fight. Please show your work.
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May 24, 2017 18:56
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1st AD posted:Cruz vs. TJ did 125k buys, if TJ is a bigger draw it's really marginal TJ vs Soto is the one that did 125k buys, and that card was about as bad as it gets for generating buys. Danny Castillo co-main.
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May 24, 2017 18:57
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tesilential posted:Then what should they be based on? I'm asking in earnest. As it stands, promotors make money in 3 ways: 1) Ticket Sales, 2) PPV Sales, 3) TV Deals. Unfortunately, MM doesn't provide much value in any of those categories. The reason I talk about MMA on the internet instead of run the UFC is because I don't have all the answers or even good ideas but they can definitely do more to pay fighters based on their overall performances. You should get more money for being a better fighter, and it's not like I'm saying drawing power should be removed from the equation, only that it shouldn't be the deciding factor. Anything that would raise the pay grade for the majority of fighters at the top, middle or bottom would be good.
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May 24, 2017 19:09
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Josuke Higashikata posted:I wonder what the difference in weight would be at fight time. I'd guess that DJ's going to be giving up a significant amount. significant in terms of human pounds or large dog scale? this is starting to get into conor mcgregor fighting a man three times his size in nate diaz territory. TJ ain't that big.
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May 24, 2017 19:30
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I guess DJ can fight 3-0 prospect Cam Larburger on a fs1 fight night for slightly less than he makes in twitch donation money if he's really that scared of fighting an actual fighter, it's not like I want to watch him fight in either case.
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May 24, 2017 19:41
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Bubba Smith posted:significant in terms of human pounds or large dog scale? 10 pounds is pretty big when you're down at 125. At heavies, it's nothing. It's not an absolute rule where 10 pounds is never big or always huge.
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May 24, 2017 19:41
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but steel is heavier than feathers
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May 24, 2017 20:27
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 TJ is 4" taller but only 1" of reach.
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May 24, 2017 20:35
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Dan Didio posted:Everybody should read this. It's like an insane screed from an alternate universe. I lolled at Cyborg being bullied for her "assumed steroid use". Assumed and confirmed by steroid testing
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May 24, 2017 21:18
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Uh do you mean her therapeutic drugs for which she has received an exemption? This is exactly the kind of bulling being talked about.
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May 24, 2017 21:25
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Work Friend Keven posted:Uh do you mean her therapeutic drugs for which she has received an exemption? This is exactly the kind of bulling being talked about. Yes and the other times she tested positive for steroids also. Apologies to her
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May 24, 2017 21:28
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Josuke Higashikata posted:The reason I talk about MMA on the internet instead of run the UFC is because I don't have all the answers or even good ideas but they can definitely do more to pay fighters based on their overall performances. You should get more money for being a better fighter, and it's not like I'm saying drawing power should be removed from the equation, only that it shouldn't be the deciding factor. I also don't have any inside knowledge or scoop and am just trying to apply common sense and logic for the sake of conversation with the only other people on earth that care to talk about this poo poo. Drawing power is the only objective metric they have. Guys that make them the most money get paid the most money, or should be. Like what if Sergio Pettis beats MM in 6 months? Should MM's salary be slashed because he's not the best anymore? Should Sergio immediately become the highest paid guy since he beat the best guy? I don't know man, it seems too hard to determine in a sport when the best are not the best for long. Especially when you have MMA triangles like Rory>Woodley>Wonderboy>Rory. If Woodley wasn't champ and Rory was still in UFC, who deserves to be paid the best? BJ Penn is horrible at this point but he still commands a good purse because of whatever popularity of his remains. Drawing power is measurable via PPV buys, ticket sales, TV viewership, etc. They can look at who has the best numbers and pay them accordingly. If you want a raise, draw more attention to yourself. Just putting people on TV doesn't magically make people care about them. MM main flaw is his personality is completely average and unremarkable. I do agree it's a whacky business and it's insane that Mighty Mouse probably made less than VP Matt Hughes in 2015. E: The new ownership structure probably make it worse for guys like MM. Can you imagine the CEO telling shareholders they are gonna start paying out more money for "better fighters" instead of focusing on fighters that make them money. tesilential fucked around with this message at 21:33 on May 24, 2017 |
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May 24, 2017 21:29
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Work Friend Keven posted:Uh do you mean her therapeutic drugs for which she has received an exemption? This is exactly the kind of bulling being talked about. Probably that time when she got caught taking stanozolol and was suspended for a year.
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May 24, 2017 21:32
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manyak posted:Yes and the other times she tested positive for steroids also. Apologies to her https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhqWpVujWxk
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May 24, 2017 21:36
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tesilential posted:I also don't have any inside knowledge or scoop and am just trying to apply common sense and logic for the sake of conversation with the only other people on earth that care to talk about this poo poo. 1) Drawing power isnt the only reason guys get paid, they have to (in theory) think about the sustainability of the sport in the future. Some NBA benchwarmer who plays a few minutes a year doesnt bring in $400k of measurable value to the team but guys like that are required for the economy of the sport. Just like guys on the fight pass undercard arent bringing $20k worth of viewership but its important they get paid a decent amount so they can train properly and the league can have a roster of guys to fill out cards, build up contenders, etc. So first off drawing power is only one of many reasons why guys get paid what they do 2) drawing power is far from objective, in fact its really really difficult to actually measure. How do you account for the drawing power/added value of a guy who fights on the undercard, usually puts on exciting fights etc but isnt a headliner? Theres a lot of noise and the number of UFC fights most guys have is a small sample size. Its usually not as simple as just looking at the numbers 3) a lot goes on behind the scenes for promotion and the amount the UFC is willing to invest in a fighter can make a big difference, theyve put big promotional drives behind guys that turned out to be duds and theyve failed to promote guys that had good drawing potential, so its not as easy as just "who has the best personality", its a value judgement on the UFCs part Its tangential to the MM discussion, who we can pretty safely say is not a big draw, but drawing power isnt that objective and its far from the only reason guys get paid what they do
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May 24, 2017 21:51
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