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I loving hate poo poo like that USA Today tweet because I can already see supporters of the bill rolling it into the rhetoric of their defense.
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SouthShoreSamurai posted:What did the deleted tweet say? It said that the bill failed reconciliation requirements and needed to be revoted in the house. A few people celebrated but most people were confused and went "uhhh, no it didn't. You are wrong, explain please".
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SouthShoreSamurai posted:What did the deleted tweet say? It claimed that the bill did not qualify for reconciliation, which appears to be false (it does).
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pumpinglemma posted:Quist is running heavily on healthcare, isn't he? And the special election is tomorrow? Yep, he broadly supports Obamacare, wants to move to single-payer, and has been against the AHCA. And yep, it is indeed. So this is about as good a bit of news he could have got outside of Gianforte appearing in the piss tape.
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SouthShoreSamurai posted:What did the deleted tweet say? That the bill violated reconciliation rules. It seems he misread something.
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May 24, 2017 22:13
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Dude how wild would it be if Hannity got fired. O'Reilly gone, AIles dead, and soon Hannity sacked. The Trump effect!
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Mister Adequate posted:Yep, he broadly supports Obamacare, wants to move to single-payer, and has been against the AHCA. And yep, it is indeed. Gianforte also donated money to white nationalist groups.
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Rigel posted:This bill will never pass the Senate. They may or may not vote for something else, but McConnell said this morning that he wasn't sure how to get to 50 on any health care bill. Try tomorrow. The Democrat in Montana's special election is running on this.
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May 24, 2017 22:14
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Trabisnikof posted:Not everyone who votes Republican is a Drudge reader and Nazi lover. The former maybe but the latter absolutely. Donald Trump said literally everything he was going to do. They voted for him anyway. There is absolutely no case to be made for it. The most positive reading is "they assumed he was lying" which means they voted for someone they thought was lying about doing terrible things and assumed the risk that he'd do them was worth it. Even if they don't support him now they did when it mattered and only changed their mind because it hurt them personally.
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May 24, 2017 22:14
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This whole thing feels a lot more like political masturbation for Ryan than anything else.
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May 24, 2017 22:15
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Could we please not link to tweets without providing the text so the next time this happens it's not three pages of other people asking what the original now-deleted tweet said?
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May 24, 2017 22:15
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I realize he's spinning hard enough to provide energy to the entire globe here, but is there anything anywhere in this report that says premiums will go down? At least saying that it lowers the deficit is technically true.
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May 24, 2017 22:15
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Doesn't it literally not lower rates according to the CBO?
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May 24, 2017 22:15
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It raises premiums! What is he smoking?
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May 24, 2017 22:16
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socialsecurity posted:Doesn't it literally not lower rates according to the CBO? Rates are going to go up an additional 20% over what they would if Obamacare remained in place.
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May 24, 2017 22:16
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Jesus christ how the gently caress do you even keep a straight face and say something good about that?
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socialsecurity posted:Doesn't it literally not lower rates according to the CBO? It does, eventually, completely because insurance covers less.
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mcmagic posted:Gianforte also donated money to white nationalist groups. everything I learn about that piece of poo poo makes me hate the fucker more.
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May 24, 2017 22:17
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:I realize he's spinning hard enough to provide energy to the entire globe here, but is there anything anywhere in this report that says premiums will go down? At least saying that it lowers the deficit is technically true. From what I understand, if you laser in on people trying to buy junk insurance, which will be legalized in states that drop essential health benefits, the junk insurance will be cheaper than real insurance.
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My gut tells me this is all horseshit. I mean, obviously, yeah, but I don't see any significant reduction in premiums mentioned, and they plan to give any deficit savings right back to themselves in the form of tax cuts, setting it right back to where it was (or likely more, honestly) e: even assuming stripping 10s of millions of people of the health care coverage was for some reason an alright thing to do in exchange for whatever claimed benefits, it doesn't even do those things ReidRansom fucked around with this message at 22:19 on May 24, 2017 |
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May 24, 2017 22:17
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tetrapyloctomy posted:Could we please not link to tweets without providing the text so the next time this happens it's not three pages of other people asking what the original now-deleted tweet said? No. Posting only the link is convenient, I'm fine with the drawback of people later asking what it says the rare times when it is deleted.
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May 24, 2017 22:18
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I will do my best to outlive Paul Ryan and desecrate his grave at every available opportunity.
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May 24, 2017 22:18
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A guillotine is too good for Ryan.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:From what I understand, if you laser in on people trying to buy junk insurance, which will be legalized in states that drop essential health benefits, the junk insurance will be cheaper than real insurance. Also it looks like narrow groups of people (the very very healthy and young) will have lower premiums. The old get turbofucked, most people get proper hosed, but the hitler youth do alright.
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ReidRansom posted:My gut tells me this is all horseshit. I mean, obviously, yeah, but I don't see any significant reduction in premiums mentioned, and they plan to give any deficit savings right back to themselves in the form of tax cuts, setting it right back to where it was (or likely more, honestly) It will lower premiums for the wealthy, healthy people who are not already in a precarious position concerning health coverage and have no real reason to be concerned with reform - and that's all.
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May 24, 2017 22:19
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Always remember it was the "moderate" Republicans that bent and voted for this rather than the Freedom fuckers that went for a less evil bill. There are no good Republicans so we can all stop pretending.
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socialsecurity posted:Doesn't it literally not lower rates according to the CBO? It only increases rates in the short term. Eventually, after you tell the old and sick people to gently caress off and die, then rates will be lower for everyone else who survives.
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May 24, 2017 22:20
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As awful as this is, I'm hoping Democrats don't fumble this golden opportunity. The hard part is messaging it to people but they have much of the work cut out for them.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:From what I understand, if you laser in on people trying to buy junk insurance, which will be legalized in some states, the junk insurance will be cheaper than real insurance. Yep, insurance premiums will go down in the sense that a certain group (young, healthy) can go back to buying insurance that covers basically nothing.
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https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/867486868547547136 emphasize this. Killing poor old people for tax cuts.
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:I realize he's spinning hard enough to provide energy to the entire globe here, but is there anything anywhere in this report that says premiums will go down? At least saying that it lowers the deficit is technically true. It saves ~11.9 billion dollars/year for 10 years on a ~4 trillion dollar annyal budget. That's a budget shaving of .003% What a victory for fiscal responsibility!
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ImpAtom posted:The former maybe but the latter absolutely. Donald Trump said literally everything he was going to do. They voted for him anyway. There is absolutely no case to be made for it. The most positive reading is "they assumed he was lying" which means they voted for someone they thought was lying about doing terrible things and assumed the risk that he'd do them was worth it. Even if they don't support him now they did when it mattered and only changed their mind because it hurt them personally. Or instead of going "I love nazis" they could be ignorant and desperate and think things like "Democrats are coming for my guns" or "American Healthcare sucks and Trump wants to change it" or "He's bringing the factories back!!!" etc etc etc. You're assuming the barriers to information are lower for everyone than they actually are. While it easy for you or I to figure out the truth behind "Will Trump bring back the factories?" that's not true for most Americans.
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I don't know enough about his district, but this HAS to spell the end for Paul Ryan in 2018, right? Or is his a constituency particularly susceptible to messages like “I will literally murder you”?
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evilweasel posted:It does, eventually, completely because insurance covers less. And it lets healthy people who are selfish and irresponsible voluntarily reduce their premiums to zero, which he's a huge fan of for some reason.
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May 24, 2017 22:21
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I suppose once all low-skilled jobs are automated you don't technically need poor people anymore. Their only mistake was starting the extermination plan early.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:And it lets healthy people who are selfish and irresponsible voluntarily reduce their premiums to zero, which he's a huge fan of for some reason. No, their premiums become very, very low. Until they get sick. Then the next year they spike through the roof.
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Confounding Factor posted:As awful as this is, I'm hoping Democrats don't fumble this golden opportunity. The hard part is messaging it to people but they have much of the work cut out for them. They are STEALING 100B of your health care and giving it to the rich in the form of tax cuts. If you can't message that you don't belong in politics.
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fsif posted:I don't know enough about his district, but this HAS to spell the end for Paul Ryan in 2018, right? Or is his a constituency particularly susceptible to messages like “I will literally murder you”? As an answer to that I will point out his district includes part of Milwaukee county which elected David Clarke.
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