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Trabisnikof posted:Or instead of going "I love nazis" they could be ignorant and desperate and think things like "Democrats are coming for my guns" or "American Healthcare sucks and Trump wants to change it" or "He's bringing the factories back!!!" etc etc etc. Ignorance and desperation isn't a defense and it needs to stop being an excuse. The same wouldn't be accepted in the opposite direction. It can explain things but it isn't an excuse and shouldn't be apologized for.
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ReidRansom posted:And THIS is what I don't understand. Like, at all. Under the "do nothing" plan how do we give rich people more money huh?
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This thing will pass the Senate. Just like last time some Republicans will be given a hall pass. But Pence will laugh as he confirms the vote with his tie breaker. This is Devos 2.0. I've been telling people that Republicans will try to kill as many people as possible while they have power. No one believed me. This bill confirms it as will it's confirmation in the Senate. There is no filibuster. There is no hope. Republicans will retain the senate in 2018. This is reality.
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ReidRansom posted:And THIS is what I don't understand. Like, at all. $1 trillion moved from healthcare to rich people tax breaks.
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fsif posted:Maybe a primary challenger? Beat that one 84 to 16, and also beat out a uh... "trump conservative". I mean I don't know his district or Wisconsin at all but I think we will unfortunately be cursed with Ryan's presence until he dies during the Great Shadowfall. TGLT fucked around with this message at 22:36 on May 24, 2017 |
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Come on, Ryan! Give these people (health c)AIR! *hisses* "THEY'RE NOT PAYING THE FAIR MARKET PRICE!"
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ReidRansom posted:And THIS is what I don't understand. Like, at all. Whoa, whoa, WHOA there, buddy. It eases the tax burden on the poor, overtaxed and underpaid rich while returning us to pre-ACA levels of poor-killing, that ain't nothing!
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Paul Ryan strikes me as the kind of motherfucker who would keep signing off on "special projects" for Weyland-Yutani because this time it has to work.
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TyrantWD posted:I've found this AHCA bill to be a bizarre piece of politics. A bad bill that cuts access to healthcare to give tax breaks to the rich was expected from the GOP, but I'd have expected them to gently caress over the young, non-GOP voters at the expense of the older, politically-active, GOP-leaning voting block. No, their first order of business is and always has been the upward redistribution of wealth through massive tax cuts, and they don't care at all who they hurt or kill on the way to accomplishing that. In their eyes the ACA is just a giant pool of money that the rich deserve more than anyone else so that's who's gonna get it, come hell or high water. They see this past election as something between a fluke and a miracle and they know they have a limited amount of time to take advantage of it, so they're going to forcefully jam garbage like this through and make a mess doing it before it's too late.
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Fart City posted:Paul Ryan strikes me as the kind of motherfucker who would keep signing off on "special projects" for Weyland-Yutani because this time it has to work. Weyland-Yutani didn't care if the crew lived or died; they were expendable. That said, killing the crew of the Nostromo or the colonists on Acheron was not the primary goal of Weyland-Yutani. Killing the poor and elderly is the primary goal of Ryan. Republicans, as always, compare unfavorably to fictional depictions of monstrous capitalism run wild.
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When looking at this graph, remember that healthcare was the issue of 2008 because it was reaching a legitimate crisis point. Dumping insured levels back down to pre-ACA levels while cutting protections and coverage for those that still have insurance is going to be an unbelievable disaster, especially if there's any kind of economic downturn while this is all going on. This plan is loving insane on every level.
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Maybe I'm naive, but I assume most conservative parties in other countries are nowhere near as evil as the GOP, and are basically in favor of being a little less generous but still wanting people to be cared for at some level. Our conservative party is run by a cartoonishly evil brotherhood of supervillains. I imagine people in other countries are confused and horrified for our sake.
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Covok posted:This thing will pass the Senate. Just like last time some Republicans will be given a hall pass. But Pence will laugh as he confirms the vote with his tie breaker. This is Devos 2.0. This bill doesn't start saving money for the average premium until 2021 or after. In the meanwhile, premiums will increase +25% on top of any predicted Obamacare premium increases. The forecast is basically +50-70% premiums in 2020 from 2017 premiums. This will crush the Republican Party. White non-educated working class aged 50-64 went for Trump like 65/35.
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mcmagic posted:They are STEALING 100B of your health care and giving it to the rich in the form of tax cuts. If you can't message that you don't belong in politics. No, they're stealing 1T of your healthcare, and spending 900B of it on tax cuts and the rest on deficit reduction Its much worse
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What the gently caress, WaPo: Melania and Ivanka Trump Show the World What Feminine Power Looks Like quote:All politics aside, Melania and Ivanka Trump stood as beacons of light in a part of the world that remains cloaked in the darkness of religious fundamentalism and oppression. Preternaturally beautiful, they seemed to glide as apparitions above the sea of dark suits and white robes and must have struck fear in the hearts of men whose culture demands that women be publicly invisible.
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ImpAtom posted:Ignorance and desperation isn't a defense and it needs to stop being an excuse. The same wouldn't be accepted in the opposite direction. It can explain things but it isn't an excuse and shouldn't be apologized for. You're making the exact same "just world" style argument conservatives make. Maybe people are ignorant and desperate for reasons outside their control? Regardless, I don't really give a flying gently caress about excuses or whatever, the entire point is that they're not ideologically "nazi lovers" if they're voting out of ignorance or desperation. Those ignorant voters can be wedged from the ideological Nazis by trying to educate them. Those desperate voters can be wedged from the ideological Nazis by trying to offer them better options. Things that drive down turnout from potential Republican voters help Democratic election chances and it is worth wedging as many of the non-Nazis as we can every time the Republicans do Nazi poo poo.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:What the gently caress, WaPo: kathleen parker my dude she's probably "very concerned" about Russia
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Kammat posted:Christ, Medicaid is completely gutted. The medical option for the poor is gonna be straight up euthanasia only at this rate. They should at least strive to take a rich rear end in a top hat or 3 with them. evilweasel posted:https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/867479735915466752 Just in time for the midterm elections to get underway!  axeil posted:
If the GOP can't do better in the midterms than they're doing right now in special elections any Senator who doesn't regularly win by 20+ points is at risk next year. The GOP needs to be destroyed, completely and utterly. USA Today showing Fox News the proper way to do propaganda and spin.  mcmagic posted:Gianforte also donated money to white nationalist groups. That isn't going to be a negative to his voters in Montana.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:What the gently caress, WaPo: writer is a token female republican
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Trabisnikof posted:You're making the exact same "just world" style argument conservatives make. Maybe people are ignorant and desperate for reasons outside their control? the argument is needless. 53 percent of white college educated people who voted in 2016 went for trump. they weren't voting out of desperation and poo poo. they're were just heartless assholes.
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quote:Breaking: Top Russian Officials Discussed How to Influence Trump Aides Last Summer https://nyti.ms/2qXKrOo I'm unclear on how this is different from the previous story on this subject. Here's the CNN story form last week. http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/politics/michael-flynn-donald-trump-russia-influence/ farraday fucked around with this message at 22:45 on May 24, 2017 |
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Covok posted:This thing will pass the Senate. Just like last time some Republicans will be given a hall pass. But Pence will laugh as he confirms the vote with his tie breaker. This is Devos 2.0. If I'm not mistaken they only have about 2 vulnerable Senate seats out of the 8 GOP seats up in 2018, so I agree that what they'll do is let the final vote be 50-50 + Pence as tiebreaker to get it passed and those two Senators can go home and say "I had concerns about the bill" and safely hang on to their seats.
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Lote posted:This bill doesn't start saving money for the average premium until 2021 or after. In the meanwhile, premiums will increase +25% on top of any predicted Obamacare premium increases. The forecast is basically +50-70% premiums in 2020 from 2017 premiums. This will crush the Republican Party. White non-educated working class aged 50-64 went for Trump like 65/35. lol if you think anything will shift the gop fanbase at all. Emails and benghazi is all they will retort
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:What the gently caress, WaPo: check out her other articles
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Evil Fluffy posted:They should at least strive to take a rich rear end in a top hat or 3 with them. Not only 2018. 2020 too. This is a plan where all the savings are backloaded. In the meantime, it's going to be worse with a 20% increase compared to Obamacare in 2018 and a 25% net increase compared to Obamacare in 2020.
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Evil Fluffy posted:
While it can be a problem in parts of Montana, I think that you are probably dealing with stereotypes there. Just as a wild guess, are you from an East Coast state and you think that Montana is somehow just another version of Binghampton, Toledo, Grand Rapids or one of those East Coast cities?
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quote:The conversations focused on Paul Manafort, the Trump campaign chairman at the time, and Michael T. Flynn, a retired general who was advising Mr. Trump, the officials said. Both men had indirect ties to Russian officials, who appeared confident that each could be used to help shape Mr. Trump’s opinions on Russia. lol
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:What the gently caress, WaPo: Becoming a trophy wife married to steaming pile of human filth to live a life of luxury is what all little girls should aspire to, yes. e: Yes princess, you're only worth what they'll pay for your pretty smile and big boobies.
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