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This is the mission I was glad I could reload and also the mission where I stopped using the hammer, you don't have to be a detective to figure out why.
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Huh. A child machine. How do you make children? How do you make them? Rainuwastaken posted:Their eyes are glowing green instead of red. You've got about a 50/50 shot that they're either friendly or radioactive. There are also the yellow eyed ones early on in the city. They're the ones who just wander aimlessly and stare at the sky. I guess they follow Big Daddy rules?
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May 24, 2017 21:18
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InequalityGodzilla posted:Huh. A child machine. How do you make children? 
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May 24, 2017 21:20
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Let's just add another mark to the "We're totally the bad guys here, aren't we?" tally before we set off on our way. Hey, 2B just saved an adorable robot child and helped a family understand each other. The only evidence she's a villain is that she's a player character in a Taro Yoko game. Which, yes, it's an argument, but it's not a new one.
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The Dark Id posted:And yes, you can fail this quest. The Child Machine blows the gently caress. 9S basically goes “Oh GEEZ. Aww FRICK! Aww HECK!” and then you’ve got to go back to the Machine Mother and inform her that her son is now scrap metal. And she just starts sobbing. The end. You gigantic incompetent piece of poo poo. I got the li'l dude back with like 3% health. I'm now very glad I didn't realize how close I was to tragedy.  InequalityGodzilla posted:Huh. A child machine. How do you make children? I just assume that without network access, "children" are new machines the villagers have to load with Windows 3.11 off a set of old floppies. Maybe a copy of Encarta if they're lucky.
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May 24, 2017 22:45
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When I did the quest I don't recall the little dude taking damage. I know I wasn't being careful, guess I just got lucky.
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May 24, 2017 22:58
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GunnerJ posted:Is this the first time anyone has mentioned "the network"? Didn't Adam and Eve say something about a network growing intelligent?
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Rainuwastaken posted:I'm personally attributing most of his raging machine-hate to the fact that he got reset to factory defaults after the whole black box thing at the start of the game. 9S: "There's no actual meaning behind anything machines do." Was a line from the prologue before the black box thing.
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Oh so when machines make families it's adorable, but ONE ANDROID tries it and it's all awful and poo poo  Omobono posted:I said it before, I'll say it again: Pascal is totally going to be a boss later on. He's pretty boss already as is, I don't know.
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Malachite_Dragon posted:Presumably the same way they made child Matorans in Bionicle: with an instruction manual and no questions asked Wonderslug posted:I just assume that without network access, "children" are new machines the villagers have to load with Windows 3.11 off a set of old floppies. Maybe a copy of Encarta if they're lucky. The joy of this thread is I can start dropping out of context quotes from much later on and see how people who haven't played it react.  And since TDI started doing the exact same thing in like the third update I can do it guilt-free!Also, Wonderslug I like that idea. I think my new headcanon as to why Pascal's village has machines that act childish and underdeveloped is because since they're not connected to the network they have to install like...centuries old OS backups that have started to degrade. Elkyrie posted:He's pretty boss already as is, I don't know. So yeah, odds are quite good that we'll have to fight him at some point given who made the game. CommissarMega posted:We're gonna fight 9S at some point, aren't we? Edit: Wait, I guess Caim and Red fight in that one ending but that's like, the worst ending in Drakengard.
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Nah, I've played (and Platinum'd  ) the game, I'm just being willfully stupid about certain plot points. Which... isn't very different from how I normally am, so 
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Meadowhill posted:Didn't Adam and Eve say something about a network growing intelligent? I believe that if you chat up the villagers at Pascal's they also mention the network. I'm only slightly ahead of the LP now because I didn't do as many sidequests as id has.
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InequalityGodzilla posted:Nah, they're already starting to grow on each other. 2B and 9S are this game's official Battle Buddies, like Caim and Until 9S learns to belch fireballs, I'm going to continue calling him my garbage, racist son
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InequalityGodzilla posted:The joy of this thread is I can start dropping out of context quotes from much later on and see how people who haven't played it react. Please don't.
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This can not continue. ...oh wait, drat!
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The Dark Id posted:Anyway, as we approach the suggested mission area, we here... The Dark Id posted:One of them get interested in seeing what the ruckus is over here and... well, you can see the issue. The Dark Id posted:he can send that child to the shadow realm in short order.
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May 25, 2017 02:22
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The last two updates have sent my dad protocols into overdrive. In different ways.
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Mother Machine posted:I never imagined how hard it would be to disconnect from the network. We’re constantly misunderstanding each other. Still, on those rare occasions where we connect, it makes me so very happy. Yeah, quitting Facebook was hard at first for me, too.
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  Here's a better look at Child and Mother Machine. Most side quests for machine dinguses unlock their entries in the Intel menu. There's also a Father Machine. He's got a suit and a beard spray painted on.
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The paint that the machines are wearing... those are based on stereotypical 1950's family outfits, right? (Father Knows Best, Leave it to Beaver, etc.)
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May 25, 2017 04:20
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The kid machine looks like he has ZUN-face.
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SirPhoebos posted:The kid machine looks like he has ZUN-face. I hate you so much right now.
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The Dark Id posted:
I never noticed the tiny little face on the mom's apron before.
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With the theme park and now this, now I just want to find the machine/machines that are being all artistic and have access to paint. I assume they aren't painting themselves? Episode XXX The Dark Id posted:because it involves and escort mission against a horde Episode XXXI The Dark Id posted:but you can where issues might arise if there’s a 10+ level gap
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So does taunting override the normal aggro during this quest and force the enemies to focus on 2B instead?
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The Sandman posted:So does taunting override the normal aggro during this quest and force the enemies to focus on 2B instead? Hitting the enemies gets them to focus 2B just fine. Which actually makes the missiles pretty helpful for escort quests. You don't need to do a lot of damage, just tagging them will get them to pay attention to you generally.
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The Sandman posted:So does taunting override the normal aggro during this quest and force the enemies to focus on 2B instead? You probably shouldn'r risk having double damage enemies around the kid
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If you're playing on Hard for whatever reason, do yourself a favor and crank it back down to Normal for this quest; the enemy machines hit a lot harder but the kid doesn't get any tougher. Or if he does, it doesn't seem to quite compensate. I certainly couldn't manage to keep him alive past the second ambush.
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May 25, 2017 07:21
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I want to hug every single one of those dumb cute little stubbos.
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FrankZP posted:If you're playing on Hard for whatever reason, do yourself a favor and crank it back down to Normal for this quest; the enemy machines hit a lot harder but the kid doesn't get any tougher. Or if he does, it doesn't seem to quite compensate. I certainly couldn't manage to keep him alive past the second ambush. I'd wager New Game on Hard was very much not a priority during playtesting
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The Stubby is the basic building block of the universe. Most machines start as Stubbies, having both their own will/processing power and connected to the alien Tentaclebook. When a machine grows in experience or makes an argument to the tentacle book, it is upgraded. Many varieties of Stubbies reflect their teenage years when they claim that it's 'not just a phase, manufacturing plant!' and bolt armor and guns onto themselves. Some don't ever grow out of it - that's how you get medium armoreds. Eventually, a Stubby grows to understand the Tentaclebook network not only as a metaphysical society model, but also as a physical solution. Then they start joining up into bigger machines, which each indivudual Stubby happily taking his place in the machine much like a person takes his place in the society. Being a jetpack might not seem that special, but it's a hell of a lot more fun than being an accountant. Also, robots don't have accountans. The jetpack Stubby might have been a floating Stubby and some point, might have had dreams of flying. Anyways, every time he fires the engine, he knows he's helping. The small flyers are basically you motorcycle gangs while the mediums are freaky polyamorous families that can't shut up about their kink. The flying worms are basically Stubby 4chan: a faceless group of assholes that act like a Stubby centipede of jacking each other off for their awesome, android annoying idea and being cooler than the small flyers. The tall boys are an evolutionary dead end of an experiment designed to produce a Stubby that can pick up items that are above his head. However, the process of growth and joining is kind of slow, passionless and mechanical in the network. Besides, the network is trying to reverse engineer humans through outward imitation, failing to grasp such things like humans not being a hivemind. They're kinda failing, and Adam and Steve are the culmination of that failure: outwardly human, totally stupid inside. Meanwhile, some errant Stubby.exes decided that not being part of hivemind is a part of the human condition, and so they disconnected from the network to live and develop purely as individuals. That's how you get Pascal (who might have one day gotten the idea that heads needn't be perfectly spherical) and others who try to experience being human as a part of a network that's totally intangible: a real society. So they are learning to both act and look like humans. They are the closest to a functioning civilization worthy of imitation that they know (they killed the aliens because they weren't worthy, and the moose ain't talking). Of course, as the network is experiencing glitches and errors, so can individual Stubbies be corrupt and broken in mind, like the singer drone. The eyes might be an offshoot of some old signaling system in case the network went out or something, or maybe a diplomatic mode. Green means friendly, which signals other Stubbies to relax. Yellow means alert: there might be danger about. Yellow might be the default color of networked stubbies or machines in general. Red is the color of war, as we have seen with the attack telegraphs. A red eyed machine is out for trouble! Tune in next time when we discuss the links between the Moose and the survival of Cabbalah 11 thousand years in the future.
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I've actually noticed in my own game that there is a spherical face-like shape on Pascal's backpack thing, he also has a large enough chest that his spherical head could be in there, much like Bender keeps wallets belonging to other people inside the empty cavity that is his stomach.
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mazloum posted:I want to hug every single one of those dumb cute little stubbos. Empty quoting for justice. Machines are my friends and I wish all the best to them
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The Dark Id posted:
This line sticks out to me since quote:
it's the same wording she chewed out 9S for in the intro. I wonder if there was some thought behind it or just a happy coincidence.
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True. But it also seems kind of fun. 
(...) It’s kind of fun!
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iospace posted:I hate you so much right now. You're welcome  Meanwhile in my reread of the Drakengard LP, I just got to the Surprise Giants and the "  heh its not that weird" is in full swing. Fuckin' goons.
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SirPhoebos posted:Meanwhile in my reread of the Drakengard LP, I just got to the Surprise Giants and the " I'll save you some time and some posts, it's always like that for every LP. Mostly in answer to all the babies who feel the need to hyperbolize every single reaction.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Let's just add another mark to the "We're totally the bad guys here, aren't we?" tally before we set off on our way. Eh, I fully agree 9S/2B/YORHA aren't *good* guys, but I think Adam and Eve have "We're the bugfuck crazy AI villains" down pretty solidly.
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