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Apple Pie Hubbub
Feb 14, 2012

Take that, you greedy jerk!
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Chip Bok posted:

Sean Spicer says our Tweeter-in-Chief has a “direct line to the American people.”

So, in an effort to tap that wire, The Atlantic opened a Tweet Tracker. Cute, but I would have called it a Tweet Twacker. As you’d expect, its purpose is to track Trump’s Tweets. The Tweet Tracker breaks down each presidential tweet into “The Prompt,” “The Context,” and the “The Response.”

Tweet.

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Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.



As always, :confused:

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Shangri-Law School posted:

:rolleyes:

The ACA isn't going to psychically reach out and enact single-payer down the road, but it reset our expectations for what healthcare in America should look like and provides a clear basis for future reform. Reform such as what Hillary Clinton was proposing. Single-payer is not the be-all, end-all of universal healthcare, even though stuff like the ACA Medicaid expansion is an obvious path to it. And Bernie-style, Leeroy Jenkins, end private insurance in one fell swoop single-payer is in fact never, ever going to happen without the wave to end all waves. The insurance companies will oppose it. Employees of the insurance companies who will all lose their jobs will oppose it. The hospitals will oppose it. The doctors will oppose it. Every American who likes their employer-provided plan will oppose it (this is a majority of Americans). Colorado had a single-payer referendum in November. It lost 80-20. As for me, I value imperfect victory more than noble failure. I have nothing to disavow.

Alright, this is a clear "no" to the "will you stop being condescending" question, and a reversal on a bunch of stuff you said earlier, containing several false assumptions and at least one non sequitur (no, a single state cannot in fact support a system like this, shock and horror), but I'm really tired of this argument so I'll leave it at that

mandatory lesbian posted:

catholics have way more hundreds of years of stuff behind them, protestants are like little babies in regards to that

course i think fish might be using the pope as a figurehead for all of christianity rather then just catholicism, for whatever reason

I wonder which specific mythology Trump is intended to be seen as the leader of

Imperialism? Capitalism? "Mythology" was an interesting word choice.


Ramirez liked using this phrase to describe Obama constantly and it was never really clear exactly what it signified that doesn't apply to Trump

Obama never touched a glowing orb

Duckbox
Sep 7, 2007

Ramirez and most of the other vaguely respectable conservatoonists seem to have collectively decided that they had to do a least one toothless "firing Comey was dumb" strip and with that out of the way, they're right back to sucking tiny orange dick and shouting "no you!" Color me surprised.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Duckbag posted:

Ramirez and most of the other vaguely respectable conservatoonists seem to have collectively decided that they had to do a least one toothless "firing Comey was dumb" strip and with that out of the way, they're right back to sucking tiny orange dick and shouting "no you!" Color me surprised.
The sequence of cartoons is weird in juxtaposition:
"Trump is too cozy with the Russians!"
"This is what true leadership is."
- Michael Ramirez.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

loquacius posted:

Ramirez liked using this phrase to describe Obama constantly and it was never really clear exactly what it signified that doesn't apply to Trump

Obama never touched a glowing orb

At least publicly. :tinfoil:

FronzelNeekburm
Jun 1, 2001

STOP, MORTTIME

Jurgan posted:

If you think the ACA didn't "actually benefit people," you can gently caress right off. My wife would probably be dead without it. You can acknowledge its weaknesses without ignoring the millions of people who have benefited.

I phrased that poorly, but the ACA does not fix the overarching problem with American health care: It is too expensive.

The ACA does not fix that. It throws some money at states to cover the poorest Americans (unless the states sued to not even do that much), and it lifts some of the rules that artificially kept people off of insurance completely. But that is only a temporary fix, and only for a small percent of Americans.

I'm sure your wife deserves the care she gets now. In any other developed nation on Earth, she would get that care much more cheaply, and without the fear of having it yanked away on a politician's whim or from getting fired.



This is the problem. It will not be fixed by having the government throw more money at the health care industry with no attempt to limit prices.

MikeyTsi posted:

If you'd rather this had failed so you can jerk-off to your moral superiority about the purity of your position, you can go gently caress yourself.

Regardless of the strawmen Fulchrum is tilting at, the ACA is fine as one part of health care reform. I don't think anyone's arguing that we should get rid of it because "hurr durr socialist utopia."

FronzelNeekburm
Jun 1, 2001

STOP, MORTTIME


:effort:

...what?

https://twitter.com/HarrySteinDC/status/866997903906230272

CNN posted:

The president's budget assumes that the House bill becomes law. That legislation, which also calls for eliminating enhanced funding for Medicaid expansion under Obamacare, would reduce spending on the program by $839 billion, according to the latest Congressional Budget Office analysis. (An updated score is due Wednesday afternoon.)

Medicare probably doesn't get cut (yet), but does Beeler really want Trump to try it?

Shangri-Law School
Feb 19, 2013

loquacius posted:

Alright, this is a clear "no" to the "will you stop being condescending" question, and a reversal on a bunch of stuff you said earlier, containing several false assumptions and at least one non sequitur (no, a single state cannot in fact support a system like this, shock and horror), but I'm really tired of this argument so I'll leave it at that

You're the one who keeps engaging me. You're the one who's resorting to passive-aggressive aspersions against my character because you can't respond to any of my actual points. This is the last time I will ever reply to you.

And to people interested in learning something, even single-payer won't be enough to fix healthcare in this country, because like FronzelNeekburm said, healthcare is too drat expensive. Right now America's doctors essentially form a large cartel with excellent PR. The government will have much greater power to negotiate prices down under single-payer, but major reform will still be needed to the entire provider side if single-payer is to cost a reasonable amount. Doctors will have to earn much less, we'll probably have to relax the rules on foreign doctors practicing in the U.S., nurse practitioners will be more common, and the government will probably have to do something to make medical education less expensive, for starters. Or we could say "gently caress it," reinstate the draft, conscript the doctors and put everyone on the V.A. :twisted:

Obama and the Democrats did not have enough power in 2009 and 2010 to take on both the insurance companies and the hospitals. But with the ACA, it's theoretically no longer possible to save money by not treating sick people. So now we're in a better position to tackle what's actually driving the cost of treatment.

Jurgan
May 8, 2007

Just pour it directly into your gaping mouth-hole you decadent slut

FronzelNeekburm posted:

I phrased that poorly, but the ACA does not fix the overarching problem with American health care: It is too expensive.

The ACA does not fix that. It throws some money at states to cover the poorest Americans (unless the states sued to not even do that much), and it lifts some of the rules that artificially kept people off of insurance completely. But that is only a temporary fix, and only for a small percent of Americans.

I'm sure your wife deserves the care she gets now. In any other developed nation on Earth, she would get that care much more cheaply, and without the fear of having it yanked away on a politician's whim or from getting fired.



This is the problem. It will not be fixed by having the government throw more money at the health care industry with no attempt to limit prices.

In that case, I agree, with the understanding that passing the ACA was still far preferable to letting it die in hopes of passing something better down the line. I heard a story recently about an experiment going on where a hospital gets more money if they can keep the hospital empty. The incentive is structured so they are focused on long-term health of the whole community and try to treat patients in a way that ensures they don't need to come back soon after. Obviously you have to be careful with such plans, or you risk incentivizing them to discharge patients before they're fully recovered, but it sounds like they're being careful about it. Here's a link to the interview (it's kind of long and touches on other subjects, but I find it interesting).

Also, since doctors' pay was mentioned, that's closely tied to the other uniquely American high-priced public good, education. Given how expensive medical school is, doctors have to make a fortune just to pay off student loans. Lowering their pay without giving them cheaper education would see the same shortages that plague teachers and social workers.

Jurgan fucked around with this message at 05:59 on May 25, 2017

MikeyTsi
Jan 11, 2009

Sandpuppy posted:


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I wonder what Bono did to suddenly get on Ted's shitlist.


"Those lazy fuckers, touring constantly,..."
<spends 30 minutes making GBS threads out a cartoon>
"Well, I'm done for the week".

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012
rall is right at least, u2 loving sucks

Cloks
Feb 1, 2013

by Azathoth

mandatory lesbian posted:

rall is right at least, u2 loving sucks

:getout:

Apple Pie Hubbub
Feb 14, 2012

Take that, you greedy jerk!

Vib Rib
Jul 23, 2007

God damn this shit is
fuckin' re-dic-a-liss

🍖🍖😛🍖🍖
One day, Tinsley looked down at his comic draft, an empty word-bubble over his hated enemy's head, and realized "Hey, wait a second, I can just make them say whatever I want!"
And so was born Mallard Fillmore.

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

Not even Drunky's Reasonable White Man looks like he wants to be in the comic.

Apple Pie Hubbub
Feb 14, 2012

Take that, you greedy jerk!

Whale Vomit
Nov 10, 2004

starving in the belly of a whale
its ribs are ceiling beams
its guts are carpeting
I guess we have some time to kill
What the hell is this? Is Tinsley publishing Mad Libs now?

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
why do they rename hillary clinton and turn her into a rabbit if they aren't going to use allegory and are instead going to just direct talk about the real person

Gen. Ripper
Jan 12, 2013



I thought StantisAllie were conservatives, when did they become Succ Zone posters?

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost
I'm increasingly sure that Allie doesn't even draw that thing anymore. I know I've seen all those poses before and they're weirdly incongruous with the dialogue and each other.

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


Somfin posted:

I'm increasingly sure that Allie doesn't even draw that thing anymore. I know I've seen all those poses before and they're weirdly incongruous with the dialogue and each other.

Maybe he just assembles them clipart style like B^U.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Just look at that cowardly Barack Hussein Obama leading from behind!

Trazz
Jun 11, 2008
If I had the talent, I'd position Trump so that he's crossing out the words "Leading from," and the word Behind could maybe have an arrow pointed to his comically large posterior

Erenthal
Jan 1, 2008

A relaxing walk in the woods
Grimey Drawer

Mr. Prokosch posted:

Let’s go on a journey to the Marshall Islands! The Marshall Islands Journal is the only newspaper produced by this small Micronesian nation, but it has political cartoons! There's a lot of cultural context here, so I'll post my interpretation with each one along with a translation.


"Everyone is crazy because they want to improve their islands."

The islands have only been holding elections since the late 80s, and at first they didn’t matter because the same family that ruled in colonial times was elected continually. Since that family was ousted democratically after corruption scandals, politics have become much more contentious. A lot of Marshallese are ambivalent about the political process, since every election cycle ends up being unpleasantly hateful, divisive, and counter to longstanding cultural norms of respectful discourse.



Title: Money is the root of evil
Panel 1:
"Hey mom! Dad is dead!"
"Wow! What luck! We’ll have a ton of money!"
Panel 2:
"It’s mine because we were married!"
"No, it’s mine because I’m the woman he really loved! Didn’t he tell you?"
Bird: "Stupid! The two of you are trying to steal my eggs!"

There’s a lot going on with this one. Many ideas that are old hat in our culture are still new to Marshallese people, including life insurance. Foreign insurance companies offer package deals but it strikes people as ghoulish. Money itself is an evil and relatively new thing. There’s a constant refrain that it is eroding traditional values and ways of life, that it corrupts people and makes them abandon their dignity. It also exaggerates class differences and divides people in new ways. There’s also the relationship aspect. The majority of Marshallese practice serial monogamy without formal marriage and divorce, which means one man might have children with several women over his lifetime and vice-versa. This can confuse issues of inheritance when traditionally a child wouldn’t have anything to inherit from their father and would get access to subsistence land through their mother. The ensuing fights over who deserves what when a wealthy man dies is yet another unpleasant change to Marshallese life. I don’t know what’s up with the bird.


Mother: "Ahh! What kind of crazy game is this?"

The local internet sucks and is a joke?


Old man: "They only have varieties of rice?"
Old woman: "You should check, is there rice from Ebon?"


Rice is the primary staple of the Marshallese diet, but it can’t be grown at all in the islands. While Marshallese have a great demand for rice, to the point that rice fills the shelves of Marshallese stores, here’s a push towards restoring traditional Marshallese cuisine and using local ingredients.


"Teacher, I’m hungry!"

The school lunches are among the most important political issues on the islands. Multiple campaigns have run on providing free lunches to students, including the most recent one, but then they can’t find the budget for it. It’s ultimately a class issue, as wealthy students purchase lunch at nearby stores every day while poor students go hungry. The poor students have food security problems, which are amplified because they are frequently staying with distant relatives in the capital so they can go to school and those relatives may not be concerned that they’re getting enough food. This compounds the gap in school performance, as the wealthy students who already have other advantages like internet access also get to learn with a full stomach.


Kid: "Where are you going grandpa?"
Grandpa holding a bag full of coconuts: "To the food storage"
Kid: "But you’re not a woman!"

This is a little bit about gender roles but mostly about lazy shiftless kids, a Marshallese topic of scorn since the dawn of time. Men are supposed to harvest and transport food, women are supposed to cook. The old man is bringing food home, doing his job, but the kid can’t imagine ever going to the place where food is stored without taking and cooking it.


Title: People First
Man 1: "Superman is here!"
Man 2: "I think he’s on a vehicle."


The RMI government is flying high on a giant budget from the US military using them as a missile testing site. People are hoping this will rescue them, but their spending is dangerous and destructive and comes from an evil source.


"Hey buddy! Where are you going?"
"To buy me some betelnut!"
(he buys it)
"Wow! It’s like I’m drunk!"
(He’s done buying it, but he’s spitting!)


I think the entire point of this comic is that betelnut is super gross, like bird poo poo, and that people who chew it spit it everywhere like making GBS threads birds. Betelnut is a vice imported from nearby islands, and it’s like chewing tobacoo. It stains everything it touches, including the teeth of chewers. More importantly, the young men who favor it tend to just spit anywhere they want, getting nasty brown splotches everywhere.


"Who is doing the real work?"

Majuro and Ebeye, the population centers of the RMI, are filled with litter and pollution. The islands are incredibly beautiful, but it’s marred by a combination of rapid development, foreign trash, and no public clean-up efforts. Litter is a constant problem, and private groups like churches and youth organizations occasionally organize cleaning campaigns. This cartoon is supporting those efforts.

Thank you for this very interesting post. The drawings are among the worst I've seen, but the context is fascinating.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




No new Zelda strip today because of celestial bouncing day:

Kopijeger
Feb 14, 2010

Alhazred posted:

No new Zelda strip today because of celestial bouncing day:

Translation note: "My Struggle" is "Min Kamp" in the original, while "My Sponge" is "Min Svamp". So the pun is lost in a too literal translation, something like "My Juggle" would fit better.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Alhazred posted:

No new Zelda strip today because of celestial bouncing day:


Only Paul Merton can pull off calling their autobiography 'My Struggle'.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Alhazred posted:

No new Zelda strip today because of celestial bouncing day:


The furiously levitating chomped cigarette is one of my very favourite visual gags whenever it shows up.

Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008

This is me as I make another great post


Good luck with your depression!

"Ya gotta give me the exclamations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Improbable Lobster posted:

Protestant denominations tend to be tiny fiefdoms instead of part of a larger organization

Yeah, but some of them are a lot worse than the Catholic church of today.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/dec/09/tracymcveigh.theobserver

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Shangri-Law School posted:

You're the one who keeps engaging me. You're the one who's resorting to passive-aggressive aspersions against my character because you can't respond to any of my actual points. This is the last time I will ever reply to you.

You'll be missed :rolleyes: :cripes: :rolleyes:

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Kopijeger posted:

Translation note: "My Struggle" is "Min Kamp" in the original, while "My Sponge" is "Min Svamp". So the pun is lost in a too literal translation, something like "My Juggle" would fit better.
Except that she's writing a gently caress epic so "sponge" is a fitting title and "juggle" is completely nonsensical.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
My Snuggle

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


My Snuggie?

E:

By popular demand fucked around with this message at 14:10 on May 25, 2017

Cape Cod Crab Chip
Feb 20, 2011

Now you don't have to suck meat from an exoskeleton!

Alhazred posted:

Except that she's writing a gently caress epic so "sponge" is a fitting title

It's really not...

e: oh I read "loving epic", so alright, yeah, I get ya. Still, the pun. Gotta have the pun. I like "My Snuggle" a lot here.

Cape Cod Crab Chip fucked around with this message at 14:17 on May 25, 2017

Technowolf
Nov 4, 2009






And Ted Closson on how $50 is sometimes the difference between life and death.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Alhazred posted:

No new Zelda strip today because of celestial bouncing day:


Alhazred, do you translate all of these yourself? Because "navel-gazing gently caress epic" is an extremely good term for a lot of the stuff young men bring to their first writing workshops, I've had to read so many of them, this Zelda actually made me lol.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Bicyclops posted:

Alhazred, do you translate all of these yourself?

Pretty much.

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Apes-Ma
Aug 9, 2011

Your cage isn't getting any bigger.
Zelda is completely right about "My Struggle", by the way.

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