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scuz
Aug 29, 2003

You can't be angry ALL the time!




Fun Shoe
Wisconsin is a gorgeous state with awesome food, rad towns, and people who make despicable political choices.

edit: cat tax

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ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

:burger::burger::burger::burger::burger:

Establish the Buns

:burger::burger::burger::burger::burger:

fsif posted:

He was on one of the Sunday shows the other weekend and spoke frankly about the troubles ailing modern America, like how families never eat dinner at the table together anymore.

This is one of those things that at its core has merit, it's harder for parents to have both the time and finances to raise children and our educational systems encourage children to overburden themselves with coursework and activities they don't really care about or want to do because "gotta get a job one day, but first I need to get into college and get scholarships to afford it".

Of course they'll ignore the fact that income has effectively dropped and people need to work more to afford basic living expenses, let alone kids. Instead they'll just complain about the dirty feminists that said maybe women should do more than make babies or how kids don't respect their elders anymore.

Pleads
Jun 9, 2005

pew pew pew


If Gianforte wins I hope every DC reporter who ever needs a statement from him approaches him in the most antagonizing way; either super meekly, flinching any time he moves, or a whole "just try it" pushy approach like parody-Ben Jacobs from Gianforte's statement.

In this situation where he wins and nothing happens from assaulting another human being in front of witnesses and on recorded audio, there's no way DC journalists aren't total dicks to this guy, right?

Forever_Peace
May 7, 2007

Shoe do do do do do do do
Shoe do do do do do do yeah
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https://twitter.com/perlberg/status/867777036986830848

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!

The derail we need, but not the one we deserve.

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


"When German Chancellor Angela Merkel visited President Donald Trump at the White House in March, she brought a visual aid to help Trump understand the menace posed by his would-be friend, Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Merkel brought a 1980s map of the former Soviet Union and noted the way its borders stretched for hundreds of miles to the west of Russia’s current boundary, according to a source who was briefed on the meeting. The German leader's point was that Putin laments the Soviet Union’s demise and, left unchecked, would happily restore its former borders. Merkel left Washington unconvinced that Trump had gotten the message, the source said."

The leader of Germany had to bring a loving visual aid to explain to the President of the United States of Goddamned America the state of affairs just 30 years ago.

Elotana
Dec 12, 2003

and i'm putting it all on the goddamn expense account
https://twitter.com/KyungLahCNN/status/867773978546511872

I'm sorry in advance for everyone who is expecting tonight to be the onset of the Great Mattering

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit
So I went digging for a particular post wherein I wrote something to the effect of "my expectation is that ~35% of the country will go full fascist while the rest of us watch in horror and try to figure out what to do" and was not able to find it. (If anyone happens to remember that quote, would you pretty please be so kind as to post it here? I believe I wrote it in this thread, but it might have also been of the US Pol threads.) So while I did not find that quote, I did stumble upon some of my older material that is now suddenly very relevant now that the GOP is showing just how comfortable it is with open violence against reporters.

I will be quoting several of these old posts and including a bit of commentary to put them in perspective, starting with the post below.


This is from March 3rd, 2016. The context of this was outrage over the looming SSM SCOTUS decision. Here we can see several examples of GOP-establishment figures like Ted Cruz openly courting Narrativists by appealing to their inner narrative. In other examples we can see how the most extreme segemnts (what I call "high-compaction Narrativists") served as bellweathers for the growing violent extremism within Religious Cluster Narrativists as a reaction to the extreme narrative dysphoria resulting from legalized SSM. I predicted at the time that there was a strong potential for this situation to cause "narrative convergence"; the phenomenon wherein which one Cluster of Narrativists achieves a higher level of compaction and then drags other Narrativists Clusters up to the same level of compaction via changes in the language used by Narrativists to communicate with each other.

In simplified terms I am arguing that the threat of legal SSM was percieved as so dire that it drove various Religious Cluster Narrativists to the brink of advocating violence and that certain GOP politician massively worsened this situation by attempting to coldly exploit the situation for political gain. (In the process of doing so they granted much greater perceived legitimacy to the calls for violence.) Over time the calls for increased extremism emanating out of the Religious Cluster gave social cover/fuel for other Clusters to become more radicalized themselves. The entire thing is a cycle feeding upon itself; a smoldering brush fire that amoral sociopaths poured kerosene on because they though they could control the fire enough to profit off the destruction. (They were very loving wrong.)


Prester Jane posted:

Within Narrativist circles Gay Marriage is a massive issue of supreme importance, and the only reason you are not hearing much about it is because the rhetoric has become so extreme that the mainstream media has more or less simply ignored it as there is no way to spin how bad it is becoming. Rachel Maddow seems to be one of the few exceptions to this so far.


Here are some video's from Right Wing Watch dealing specifically with this topic. These are from the last 5 weeks, I could easily quadruple this list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsdYsyngM7Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xltgjJH20Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhxKKj9WtPw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsSul4SEzls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR91oc1PEjU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp349p3jVaE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_D0qrx39mY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbxV3g-rgfc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxcZWMF0cCw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP_U8x40Xrk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgkJLXtA55Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDeRHH5ZuD8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPkM8b8x_Nc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okpma__86k8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIlXJ6vpVEE


I would argue that the mainstream media is genuinely nonplussed about how to cover such rhetoric, as there is simply no way to play the usual "truth is in the middle" game that the media has become so fond of over the past few decades. So they are instead simply ignoring it. Meanwhile, any Narrativist who wants to can easily drown themselves in an endless sea of anti-SSM rhetoric.

Fake Edit: Still working on thread update.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Zophar posted:

4 of our last 9 senators elected since 1970 have been Democrats.

True but but he got like 65% of the vote in the general... I doubt he's worried about losing to a Democrat.

Elotana posted:

https://twitter.com/KyungLahCNN/status/867773978546511872

I'm sorry in advance for everyone who is expecting tonight to be the onset of the Great Mattering

Oh it matters. Just in the wrong direction. It's a net positive to Gianforte.

ReidRansom
Oct 25, 2004


Pleads posted:

If Gianforte wins I hope every DC reporter who ever needs a statement from him approaches him in the most antagonizing way; either super meekly, flinching any time he moves, or a whole "just try it" pushy approach like parody-Ben Jacobs from Gianforte's statement.

In this situation where he wins and nothing happens from assaulting another human being in front of witnesses and on recorded audio, there's no way DC journalists aren't total dicks to this guy, right?

Whoever the tallest and most jacked reporter in the US is, assign that guy to him exclusively.

e: and some extremely aggressive but small women.

Tart Kitty
Dec 17, 2016

Oh, well, that's all water under the bridge, as I always say. Water under the bridge!

Pleads posted:

In this situation where he wins and nothing happens from assaulting another human being in front of witnesses and on recorded audio, there's no way DC journalists aren't total dicks to this guy, right?

The problem with American culture, specifically in regards to the right wing, is that there are a lot of people who will view Gianforte as being in the right, so any aggression presented by the media will play into that narrative.

The GOP likes to fetishize dicks almost as much as they like to preach against touching them.

Kammat
Feb 9, 2008
Odd Person
The next president, regardless of party or how they got into office, had better invest in facial protection because the amount of asskissing and brown nosing needed to fix relations is gonna be a nightmare. First month alone might be alternating grovelling phone calls with actions to get the State Department functional again.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Fart City posted:

The problem with American culture, specifically in regards to the right wing, is that there are a lot of people who will view Gianforte as being in the right, so any aggression presented by the media will play into that narrative.

The GOP likes to fetishize dicks almost as much as they like to preach against touching them.

The problem with normalizing violence against political opponents is... it normalizes violence against political opponents, and that door swings both fuckin' ways.

I'm saying we might have just witnessed "he choke-slam heard round the world" in regards to political norms in the US.

Zoph
Sep 12, 2005

https://twitter.com/shimonpro/status/867350437288185856

Apologies if already posted.

ThePeavstenator
Dec 18, 2012

:burger::burger::burger::burger::burger:

Establish the Buns

:burger::burger::burger::burger::burger:

RuanGacho posted:

WI isn't allowed to show it's face in public until Paul Ryan, Scott Walker and Donald Trump are out of office.

Own your sins.

IDK what people expected us to do when the Koch Brothers decided to point their orbital money cannon at the state and flip us red.

scuz posted:

Wisconsin is a gorgeous state with awesome food, rad towns, and people who make despicable political choices.

And everyone who makes good choices also is smart enough to live in Madison or Milwaukee and unlike Chicago they don't carry enough weight to eclipse the entire rest of the state on their own.

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

So they figured out that trying to stop the investigation on a technicality by appointing his former lawyer wouldn't work, I take it.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

This is normal

https://twitter.com/michaelcrowley/status/867777125901795329

2nd Rate Poster
Mar 25, 2004

i started a joke
Ah yes, the well respected bitch had it coming defense.

This country is doomed.

Does anyone see a release valve for the poisoned level of discourse in this country?

The best way I can see out of this is that the accelerationists are right.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010



Maybe she heard that Trump really likes maps

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Elotana posted:

https://twitter.com/KyungLahCNN/status/867773978546511872

I'm sorry in advance for everyone who is expecting tonight to be the onset of the Great Mattering

The people that are still intending to vote for Gianforte are lost causes; no one ever expected this to reach them.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Andrast posted:

Maybe she heard that Trump really likes maps

There is not a doubt in my mind that she showed him that map because of his electoral map obsession.

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008

Alter Ego posted:

The people that are still intending to vote for Gianforte are lost causes; no one ever expected this to reach them.

It'll definitely make some of the non radicalized ones stay home

farraday
Jan 10, 2007

Lower those eyebrows, young man. And the other one.

Andrast posted:

Maybe she heard that Trump really likes maps

Unfortunately the map showed huge swaths of the planet red and Trump misunderstood completely.

Sarmhan
Nov 1, 2011

Lemming posted:

It'll definitely make some of the non radicalized ones stay home
Yea. It doesn't need to make a large portion stay home, this is election is already tight enough. It also motivates shakier D voters to get out and vote.

Mister Fister
May 17, 2008

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
KILL-GORE


I love the smell of dead Palestinians in the morning.
You know, one time we had Gaza bombed for 26 days
(and counting!)

ReidRansom posted:

This dude has been setting himself up hard to survive the coming backlash and post-Trump fallout.

He's been pretty consistent from pre-trump election to post-trump election.

He's basically a republican with bad policy ideas, but a decent human being otherwise, basically a unicorn amongst the GOP.

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

2nd Rate Poster posted:

Ah yes, the well respected bitch had it coming defense.

This country is doomed.

Does anyone see a release valve for the poisoned level of discourse in this country?

The best way I can see out of this is that the accelerationists are right.

We all need to start doing our civic duty and becoming part of the institutions that need us.

Dr. VooDoo
May 4, 2006



So this is gonna be like the State Department isn't it? We're just going to not have a director of the FBI cause Trump has the attention span of a fly

fsif
Jul 18, 2003

ThePeavstenator posted:

This is one of those things that at its core has merit, it's harder for parents to have both the time and finances to raise children and our educational systems encourage children to overburden themselves with coursework and activities they don't really care about or want to do because "gotta get a job one day, but first I need to get into college and get scholarships to afford it".

Of course they'll ignore the fact that income has effectively dropped and people need to work more to afford basic living expenses, let alone kids. Instead they'll just complain about the dirty feminists that said maybe women should do more than make babies or how kids don't respect their elders anymore.

The point is that he's a US Senator who is witness to a nation facing innumerable domestic issues, many matters of life and death, and he's using his platform to focus on how our cultural values have deviated from the Cleavers'.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/colinjones/status/867766729002422274

Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

farraday posted:

Unfortunately the map showed huge swaths of the planet red and Trump misunderstood completely.

Trump walks away from meeting thinking he was elected President of the USSR.

fsif
Jul 18, 2003

Mister Fister posted:

He's basically a republican with bad policy ideas, but a decent human being otherwise, basically a unicorn amongst the GOP.

I'll believe it when he votes to impeach.

Apoplexy
Mar 9, 2003

by Shine

2nd Rate Poster posted:

Ah yes, the well respected bitch had it coming defense.

This country is doomed.

Does anyone see a release valve for the poisoned level of discourse in this country?

The best way I can see out of this is that the accelerationists are right.

Rend this country asunder with a great continental quake. Only thing I can think of that could even theoretically push things in the right direction. We're all going to loving die the second the frothing fascist right tips and starts targeted murder en masse of everyone they know to not be One Of Them. They can't take on the military, even with their great underground vaults and gun closets that they can't even close the door to any longer. They CAN kill innocent neighbors and shoot up college campuses and bomb women's health clinics, though.

BarbarianElephant
Feb 12, 2015
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

Lemming posted:

It'll definitely make some of the non radicalized ones stay home

Why? No-one stayed home over the horrible things Trump has done. Those prim and proper old Republican ladies you see don't faint as easily over nastiness as you might think.

Prester Jane
Nov 4, 2008

by Hand Knit
The following two posts are from August 11th and 12th, respectively. These posts show how eager the militia movement was for any pretense to carry heavy weapons around minority neighborhoods in a blatant act of intimidation. Although the militia's have been quiet for a bit as a result of the post-Malheur crackdown; that crackdown has been effectively ended by the Trump administration. As the militias realize it is safe to poke their heads in public again you can expect them to begin appearing at political rallies in support of pro-Trump protesters. Their is a very strong risk for violence erupting from a scenario wherein some group like Oathkeepers shows up armed to protect some Proud Boys and opens fire on some antifa/minority protesters.



Prester Jane posted:

Oathkeepers in full gear out walking with protesters in Ferguson and conducting patrols of neighborhoods. Bonus stump speech for how Trump will save the country if he is elected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuYVd36LpCw


Prester Jane posted:

Stole this from the freep thread.


Granted, this is one comment and is not enough to make a real case out of, but I've seen the same or similar sentiment being echoed all over Narrativist comment sections. It appears that the switch away from Fox News and into more radicalized Narrativist media outfits may be underway. I will be very interested to see Fox's ratings for the period of 2-3 weeks following the debate. If there is a dip, my suggestion is that dip is caused by Narrativist's abandoning Fox and going elsewhere to get their Narrative reinforced.


Prison Planet: Media Launches New Demonization Campaign as Oath Keepers Arrive in Ferguson.


An Oathkeeper giving his stump speech for how Trump will fix everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMSo3fjZxuM


In this one a black reporter politely calls them out on the white privilege angle. The Infowars guy responds by launching into a speech about the 2nd amendment and explaining how whenever he drives around he carries a gun because he "doesn't trust the police". Then it goes into how there are areas where women walk around with AK-47's on their back and those places are crime free.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDQwBsn8dRo

This is starting to look like some sort of half baked strategy to get Narrativists accustomed to carrying heavy weaponry at political events. While this theory might sound far fetched, it makes perfect sense to the mindset of a Narrativist leader from the Paranoid Cluster like Alex Jones. They think the "Enemy" is constantly engaged in psy-ops to acclimate the public to "open tyranny" so the logical counter to that would be to run psy-ops to get the public accustomed to "open freedom".

Dr. VooDoo
May 4, 2006



I wish Macron had gone full Kali Ma on Trump and ripped out the black shriveled walnut he calls a heart

Blitz of 404 Error
Sep 19, 2007

Joe Biden is a top 15 president

How does anyone take this man seriously
-me for the millionth time

Easy Salmon Recipe
Jan 10, 2017

2nd Rate Poster posted:

Ah yes, the well respected bitch had it coming defense.

This country is doomed.

Does anyone see a release valve for the poisoned level of discourse in this country?

The best way I can see out of this is that the accelerationists are right.

The other issue is what happens when some chinless, obese red-state, red-cap, redneck, white bread, white power, dipshit motherfucker finally gets in the wrong face and catches a well-deserved 38 between his piggy little eyes? I think that's the real question. What will we see from these shithuffers when fighting back isn't limited to a couple antifa scuffles, or bitchard spencer getting that ridiculous haircut knocked off his waterlogged head?

Sloober
Apr 1, 2011

RuanGacho posted:

WI isn't allowed to show it's face in public until Paul Ryan, Scott Walker and Donald Trump are out of office.

Own your sins.

yo dude we know wi's got some real poo poo people in its electorate

don't forget reince prius came from this electorally retarded state

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

farraday posted:

Unfortunately the map showed huge swaths of the planet red and Trump misunderstood completely.

Or did he?

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RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

Apoplexy posted:

Rend this country asunder with a great continental quake. Only thing I can think of that could even theoretically push things in the right direction. We're all going to loving die the second the frothing fascist right tips and starts targeted murder en masse of everyone they know to not be One Of Them.

They aren't capable if they don't run the government.

It is time for the egalitarian renaissance.

Sloober posted:

yo dude we know wi's got some real poo poo people in its electorate

don't forget reince prius came from this electorally retarded state

Yeah I get it I'm just ribbing you guys.

I know how hard it is, I have to do all I can to get rid of Dave Richert next election.

RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 17:52 on May 25, 2017

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