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pkay posted:They are armed but they aren't willing to go full-scale genocidal civil war. They are scared which is why they brandish their guns in the street. These people are pussies straight up. Most authoritarians are pussies. They so fear the consequences of allowing people to have freedom that they are willing to exchange it for a sense of security. The second they start to smell blood in the water, more will attack.
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Apoplexy posted:That was over slavery and secession. This is over people thinking trans people are subhuman filth who shouldn't be allowed to use public restrooms and that a pizza place was running a child sex ring out of its non-existent basement. No, it's over everything, those issues are simply their current rallying cries. They want things to be 'returned' to an America that never really existed.
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Xae posted:The Civil War ended. I mean, duh. I know that. I was speaking philosophically. It's not like we aren't still shipping tons of African Americans into prisons to work as slaves.
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BRISTOL PALINS BABY posted:I mean, duh. I know that. I was speaking philosophically. It's not like we aren't still shipping tons of African Americans into prisons to work as slaves.
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Man what the gently caress is up with this thread today? It's never good but it's really going full nihilist for no particular reason. And yes things were worse in the 60s and 70s than they are right now get some drat perspective.
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May 25, 2017 18:07
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Chilichimp posted:The problem with normalizing violence against political opponents is... it normalizes violence against political opponents, and that door swings both fuckin' ways. I'm a pacifist, but I marched with The Bloc in D.C. The issue you raise can easily be flipped against the 'punch every nazi' mentality. I already know a few MAGAs that get frothy in their butt-vagina thinking of squaring off with Antifa.
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May 25, 2017 18:07
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Man what the gently caress is up with this thread today? It's never good but it's really going full nihilist for no particular reason. Were they? You think a guy could commit an assault and then get elected to congress the next day in the 60s or 70s?
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May 25, 2017 18:09
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Isn't this all a bit of alarmism? Obviously I wasn't alive but I've seen movies, documentaries and read books about the Civil Rights/Vietnam era. if the country didn't rip itself apart over that and MLK being shot and the government literally lying to us every other sentence and spying on "dissidents", do we have to worry about Now being the worst time ever?
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Apoplexy posted:That was over slavery and secession. This is over people thinking trans people are subhuman filth who shouldn't be allowed to use public restrooms and that a pizza place was running a child sex ring out of its non-existent basement. I don't get what you're trying to say here? Are you saying that the Civil War was fought over literally being able to own people and the current issues at hand aren't quite to that degree? ImpAtom posted:Saying we recovered from the civil was is pretty optimistic. We're still fighting people who fly the confederate flag. I mean we at least got everyone to agree that having a cohesive nation is better than owning black people and it only took 150 years. 150 years later maybe it's finally time to take the next step and convince everyone that keeping the country in one piece is better than not having to treat non-white people with basic human decency!
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May 25, 2017 18:10
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mcmagic posted:Were they? You think a guy could commit an assault and then get elected to congress the next day in the 60s or 70s? Good god you suck.
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May 25, 2017 18:11
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Bhaal posted:If I ever Vermin Supreme pulled Giraldo over a table with a handshake at the Deploraball, the night before the inauguration.
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May 25, 2017 18:12
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Prester Jane posted:The following two posts are from August 11th and 12th, respectively. These posts show how eager the militia movement was for any pretense to carry heavy weapons around minority neighborhoods in a blatant act of intimidation. Although the militia's have been quiet for a bit as a result of the post-Malheur crackdown; that crackdown has been effectively ended by the Trump administration. As the militias realize it is safe to poke their heads in public again you can expect them to begin appearing at political rallies in support of pro-Trump protesters. Their is a very strong risk for violence erupting from a scenario wherein some group like Oathkeepers shows up armed to protect some Proud Boys and opens fire on some antifa/minority protesters. Interesting tidbit about the Ferguson Oathkeeper presence: the leader of the group present made the fatal mistake of talking to the protesters and went "unconstitutional government oppression of normal hard-working Americans? this sounds awful familiar!" and informed the rest of the organization of his intent to demonstrate in solidarity with the Ferguson locals against tyranny. The rest of the organization immediately responded "when we were talking about protecting our communities against unconstitutional tyranny, we didn't mean those people! If you do this awful thing, we will have no choice but to kick you out!", whereupon the guy whose heart grew four sizes that day went "you can't fire me if I quit!" and left the Oathkeepers, along with a chunk of his supporters. The end.
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B B posted:even the pope knows nothing matters Love this one. You can see how much CoolPope despises the orange turnip.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Man what the gently caress is up with this thread today? It's never good but it's really going full nihilist for no particular reason. A GOP candidate for Congress (who will probably win) chokeslammed a reporter and his party's response has been either "No Big Deal" or "Actually this is good"
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May 25, 2017 18:13
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NikkolasKing posted:Isn't this all a bit of alarmism? Obviously I wasn't alive but I've seen movies, documentaries and read books about the Civil Rights/Vietnam era. if the country didn't rip itself apart over that and MLK being shot and the government literally lying to us every other sentence and spying on "dissidents", do we have to worry about Now being the worst time ever? That's how Prester Jane do. Take her future prescriptions with a grain of salt except maybe if she's describing how a particular narcissist like the President  will respond to things.Oh, and what axeil said.
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May 25, 2017 18:14
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Xombie posted:That's the confusing thing for me. I get how people become fascists. I just don't get how they become fascist and think that it's some type of libertarianism. This is from a bit back but I ended up in a Facebook conversation with a man who thinks the defining characteristic of White Culture is that every man owns himself and can own property From there it's an easy step to white nationalism
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May 25, 2017 18:15
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mcmagic posted:Were they? You think a guy could commit an assault and then get elected to congress the next day in the 60s or 70s? Maybe not in the 1970s but 1870s, sure. Look up Ben "Pitchfork" Tillman. Ran on a campaign of literal lynching, and won. His nephew James Hammond Tillman literally assassinated a newspaper editor in 1903, in public in front of witnesses, and was acquitted. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 18:18 on May 25, 2017 |
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NikkolasKing posted:Isn't this all a bit of alarmism? Obviously I wasn't alive but I've seen movies, documentaries and read books about the Civil Rights/Vietnam era. if the country didn't rip itself apart over that and MLK being shot and the government literally lying to us every other sentence and spying on "dissidents", do we have to worry about Now being the worst time ever? 1960s America was 90% white. 2017 America might be as low as 62% or as high asv77% depending on how many hispanics are perceived as white. The stakes are much higher now.
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ThePeavstenator posted:I don't get what you're trying to say here? Are you saying that the Civil War was fought over literally being able to own people and the current issues at hand aren't quite to that degree? I dunno if I was really even trying to make a point there, just was venting. The Civil War was fought to end slavery and the secession of the southern states over it (from the winner's perspective  ), ergo, a good thing. What we're looking at now would be trying to suppress a genocidal social group who wave Pepe and Kekistan flags.
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The following post was written on August 21, 2015. Nearly two years ago. It was one of the first demonstrations of Glenn Beck appealing directly to the primacy of the inner narrative by declaring his "loyalty to a higher kingdom" over his "citizenship to the United States". He was in short declaring that his identity as a patriotic American was merely an outer narrative- (and therefor easily discarded at a moments notice without cognitivide dissonance or hesitation) and that his true loyalty (or the concept that he has formed his identity as a person around) is to the inner narrative. In the context of the times his Enemy was the Federal Government itself and as he saw no great likelihood that this was going to change anytime soon at the time he was psychologically orienting himself/his audience (which was considerably larger at the time- Beck was one of the most influential figures in RWM at this particular moment of history) in opposition to their identity as citizens of America. A keep bit of context for the moment in time that this post was written was that Narrativists at the time did not psychologically believe themselves the legitimately empowered authorities over society. In the context of the present the unexpected victory of Trump has changed the Narrative so that now Narrativists presently believe themselves the legitimately chosen rulers of our entire society, but the psychological primacy of the Enemy remains. This is why the idea of the Deep State has become so pervasive, the Deep State has become an outer narrative codeword for the Enemy that all Narrativists must oppose. However their inner narrative has modified as a result of Trump's victory such that they now regard themselves as true Americans and everyone else (from leftists to the Deep State) as un-American traitors- foreign others that must be oppressed. **Bolding is a recent addition to highlight the psychological processes we see playing out at present in American society here. Prester Jane posted:This video deserves its own special post. What we are seeing here is the Outer Narrative starting to peel away and a very deep Inner Narrative start to peek out. A Narrativists ultimate loyalty is to the Inner Narrative, not to anything else. Because of the loss of the culture wars right wing Narrativists feel rejected by America itself, and their loyalty to the concept of being American is being openly questioned here. Despite what they might portray, patriotism is only an affectation among Narrativists, a useful Outer Narrative. Now that Outer Narrative's are starting to be whittled away across the board in all four right wing aligned Narrativist Clusters we are starting to see the Outer Narrative of patriotism being shed. The ultimate loyalty is to the Inner Narrative, and the Inner Narrative has gone from "It is prophesied that one day the US Gov't will turn against us 'true (insert group label here)'" to now "The prophesied time is here, the Us Gov't is our enemy NOW!" Under the present conditions of Trumps base of high-compaction Narrativists under such tremendous narrative dysphoria (and resultant compaction cycles) You can expect to see elements of the process of I outlined above playing out across perhaps as much as 35% of the US population but (I personally feel) no lower than 10%-15%. Not to put too fine a point on things, but the present situation is.......distinctly concerning.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Man what the gently caress is up with this thread today? It's never good but it's really going full nihilist for no particular reason. Please demonstrate uniqueness. The civil unrest of the 60s and 70s was in opposition to an intransigent government that wanted to functionally govern. The modern administration is openly antithetical to the norms and social contract on which post industrial nations operate. Words and motivations matter. Dubya's jingoism couched his authoritatianism in maintaining the ideas of the United States as constructed by his predecessors. By dropping that facade, what must first be restored, before any policy can be achieved, is the idea that democracy should persist.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:This is normal Nobody knew how complicated global politics is.
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Uglycat posted:I'm a pacifist, but I marched with The Bloc in D.C. The issue you raise can easily be flipped against the 'punch every nazi' mentality. I already know a few MAGAs that get frothy in their butt-vagina thinking of squaring off with Antifa. The fringes of the political spectrum have always fought one another. Fascists and Communists have been at each other throats for longer than I've been alive, American is not an exception. The problem I'm referring to is normalizing political violence. To the point that the candidate of a major political party can choke-slam a loving reporter because he writes articles for "the enemy" (his political opposition's base). And not only is it possible he still wins this election, he won't be censured by congress, There's not a jury in Montana that would convict him, because these rubes believe assaulting reporters is the thing the right-wing should be doing. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 18:20 on May 25, 2017 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Maybe not in the 1970s but 1870s, sure. Look up Ben "Pitchfork" Tillman. Ran on a campaign of literal lynching, and won. His nephew James Hammond Tillman literally assassinated a newspaper editor in public in front of witnesses and was acquitted. OK fair but he was talking about the 1960s and 70s... I keep coming back to that in the 80s, Jeff Sessions was too racist to get confirmed to a judgeship by a larger republican senate majority than today.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Man what the gently caress is up with this thread today? It's never good but it's really going full nihilist for no particular reason. It's because so many teenagers and twenty-somethings post here.
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Every picture of Francis from the Trump visit has been a look of "God must be testing me, I have to endure this trial." I like how Merkel and others are all laughing because they know about Trump's dumb handshake and how Macron just isn't having any of it.
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Huzanko posted:It's because so many teenagers and twenty-somethings post here. Most goons are now pushing thirty or older.
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Prester Jane is a time traveler from the future her to warn us about a great calamity that will befall us, I'm convinced. I still chuckle about how drat hard she nailed down Donald Trump's character all those months ago. I cry about it more than I laugh, though.
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mcmagic posted:OK fair but he was talking about the 1960s and 70s... I keep coming back to that in the 80s, Jeff Sessions was too racist to get confirmed to a judgeship by a larger republican senate majority than today. Yeah the awesome 80s when the Federal Government knowingly allowed crack cocaine to decimate inner city black communities and purposely ignored the AIDS epidemic so as to allow it to function as a plague for gay people. Meanwhile we were propping up and arming genocidal dictators in Latin America and the Mid-East directly leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people in a dozen undeclared proxy wars against another nuclear power. The 80s were hosed even if it had the veneer of respectability.
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Ripoff posted:Prester Jane is a time traveler from the future her to warn us about a great calamity that will befall us, I'm convinced. I still chuckle about how drat hard she nailed down Donald Trump's character all those months ago. I cry tears of insanity daily, consuming the worm from within while the crow feeds on me
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Oxxidation posted:Most goons are now pushing thirty or older. How do you know the age of every goon? Can I have access to the system that tells you that?
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mcmagic posted:Were they? You think a guy could commit an assault and then get elected to congress the next day in the 60s or 70s? https://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/civil-rights-memorial/civil-rights-martyrs Herbert Lee was literally murdered in a parking lot by a Mississipi state legislator who was never charged with a crime. The other witness to the crime was also murdered later. That's one set of crimes amongst thousands from that era. Anyone remember when all the white people in a neighborhood would form packs with guns, kill and burn all the blacks they could find, then erect monuments to their own bravery? Things really, really could be so much worse.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Yeah the awesome 80s when the Federal Government knowingly allowed crack cocaine to decimate inner city black communities and purposely ignored the AIDS epidemic so as to allow it to function as a plague for gay people. Meanwhile we were propping up and arming genocidal dictators in Latin America and the Mid-East directly leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people in a dozen undeclared proxy wars against another nuclear power. 1968 is going to be the high bar for Civil Unrest for the foreseeable future. I hope.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Yeah the awesome 80s when the Federal Government knowingly allowed crack cocaine to decimate inner city black communities and purposely ignored the AIDS epidemic so as to allow it to function as a plague for gay people. Meanwhile we were propping up and arming genocidal dictators in Latin America and the Mid-East directly leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people in a dozen undeclared proxy wars against another nuclear power. Also people don't realize the amount of horrible poo poo you would've seen and heard and read were the internet around in the 1980s. You don't know how horrible things were because you lacked the means to know.
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ZorajitZorajit posted:Please demonstrate uniqueness. The civil unrest of the 60s and 70s was in opposition to an intransigent government that wanted to functionally govern. The modern administration is openly antithetical to the norms and social contract on which post industrial nations operate. Words and motivations matter. Dubya's jingoism couched his authoritatianism in maintaining the ideas of the United States as constructed by his predecessors. By dropping that facade, what must first be restored, before any policy can be achieved, is the idea that democracy should persist. Any transformational shift in the national paradigm requires the wholesale (or at least perceived) failure of the preceding one. You don't get FDR without Hoover, Reagan without Carter, etc. We're just 4 months into the Trump administration, and Fox News is a ruin, Dems are competitive in what should be 20+ R districts, and every week sinks the Presidency further. Assuming we make it to 2018 without dying in nuclear fire (which, okay, is a bit of an assumption), Trump will be the best thing that ever happened to the American left. EDIT: To clarify -- a whole lot of terrible things will happen along the way there. And those should be fought and protested every step of the way. But the 'democracy is lost' gloom and doom bares no resemblance to what's actually happening.
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Huzanko posted:How do you know the age of every goon? Can I have access to the system that tells you that? People post their ages, and these forums have had a stagnant userbase for years. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of actual teenagers still on here is in the double digits. Granted, Covok is 24 and he's a hysterical dipshit, so your statement isn't totally without credence.
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Peven Stan posted:1960s America was 90% white. That is a fact I hadn't considered. I've seen some speculation about reactions to the inevitable death of "White America." I guess one of those reactions could indeed be armed insurrection. Although, even if we concede we are sitting on a powder keg, I can't believe anything short of an extremely catastrophic event could trigger some sort of civil war or mass armed resistance. (and I'm referring to Left and Right here. Whoever picks up their guns first depends entirely on what the "spark" is.)
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