BiohazrD posted:

its a misdemeanor and he won't be convicted he will pay a fine and as long as he doesn't assault someone else in 6-12 months the case will be dismissed

RandomBlue posted:

Uh, you don't pay a fine unless you're convicted.

RuanGacho posted:

Somehow I don't think the mammon snowflake cares about $500.

Come to think of it, there's a serious criminal justice issue when a criminal fine is life destroying for one member of society and not even a second thought to another, it's almost as if money corrupts civil institutions or something.

Fojar38 posted:

So what you're saying is past a certain age everyone becomes a goon?

Nonsense posted:

God is a Woman

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

https://twitter.com/AdamParkhomenko/status/867958949659541508

Spaced God posted:

Every reporter should interview Gianforte while pointing a gun at him at all times

RuanGacho posted:

Casual Query thread:

Those in opposition to the Trump administration need a platform to run on, it is largely agreed this means things you are for and not just against, like the evisceration of the public through healthcare "reform".

Outside of the deplorable AHCA, what would you like to see (for practical purposes) the DNC run on? What do you think has the best chance of taking the era of Trump down?

Republicans posted:

Zil posted:

While wearing taped together glasses.

Republicans posted:

No just the gun. No need to be cute about it.

Fojar38 posted:

So what you're saying is past a certain age everyone becomes a goon?

CitizenKain posted:

For those curious about how much a loving wastleland most of Montana is in terms of people, look at the county by county votes:
http://mtelectionresults.gov/resultsSW.aspx?type=FED&map=CTY

RuanGacho posted:

Outside of the deplorable AHCA, what would you like to see (for practical purposes) the DNC run on? What do you think has the best chance of taking the era of Trump down?

RuanGacho posted:

Casual Query thread:

Those in opposition to the Trump administration need a platform to run on, it is largely agreed this means things you are for and not just against, like the evisceration of the public through healthcare "reform".

Outside of the deplorable AHCA, what would you like to see (for practical purposes) the DNC run on? What do you think has the best chance of taking the era of Trump down?

Ice Phisherman posted:

End the drug war. Treat addiction as an illness. Decriminalize less than ten days supply. Increase the sentencing for everyone who deals or supplies said drugs. Declare several months of amnesty for any drug users who wish to get help with no consequences. No more jail for merely using drugs. We're currently in a several decade long opioid crisis.

Infrastructure spending bill. Jobs, jobs, jobs. If the other party doesn't like it frame it as them hating growth and jobs.

End the ongoing persecution of guns and gun owners. I feel like the dems focusing on firearms needlessly riles up republicans. There are probably some wins that can be gained, but after Sandy Hook I don't think the nation is going to get behind sweeping gun control. Any gains will just continue to make gun owners more and more angry.

Instead try to address gun violence by going after street crime and by increasing psychiatric care and access to that care.

Focus on education and economic development.

Repair our international image.

Body cams on police while on a beat. Blue lives, black lives, whatever lives, doesn't matter. What matters is that they stay on and if they were intentionally sabotaged the offending officer is fired and not able to be hired again by other departments. So police reform I guess. The focus shouldn't be on any one faction, but making sure that police officers fulfill their duty without abusing the public. Abusers get prosecuted. Those who sabotage their cameras get fired and are unable to be rehired. So in essence a bad apple purge.

Also go after civil forfeiture. A lot of these republican states (and others, but mostly red/purple) are being bled dry by police seizing their poo poo. A lot of republicans would give the dems a second look if they're protecting their property.

Just to name a few I guess.

Bueno Papi posted:

53% turnout for a special election is pretty good.

Captain Oblivious posted:

Gun owners are being persecuted?

By who?

Are we still talking about the United States?

Ice Phisherman posted:

They feel like they're being persecuted. Every new democratic president or potential democratic congressman represents a threat to their weapons both in real ways and also in imagined ways which motivates them to vote. It's been proven time and time again that gun legislation doesn't work on a national level. However there are problems that feed gun violence. Poverty, street crime and mental illness for example. There are ways to tackle gun violence without stripping people of their guns. It won't be perfect, but nothing is. It will however help ratchet down tensions over guns if dems look at going after the roots of gun violence rather than just take peoples' guns away.

Ice Phisherman posted:

They feel like they're being persecuted. Every new democratic president or potential democratic congressman represents a threat to their weapons both in real ways and also in imagined ways which motivates them to vote. It's been proven time and time again that gun legislation doesn't work on a national level. However there are problems that feed gun violence. Poverty, street crime and mental illness for example. There are ways to tackle gun violence without stripping people of their guns. It won't be perfect, but nothing is. It will however help ratchet down tensions over guns if dems look at going after the roots of gun violence rather than just take peoples' guns away.

Guns are a political football. The republicans are better at kicking it. The best thing to do is to remove said football from play.

Captain Oblivious posted:

Gun owners are being persecuted?

By who?

Are we still talking about the United States?

Ice Phisherman posted:

They feel like they're being persecuted. Every new democratic president or potential democratic congressman represents a threat to their weapons both in real ways and also in imagined ways which motivates them to vote. It's been proven time and time again that gun legislation doesn't work on a national level. However there are problems that feed gun violence. Poverty, street crime and mental illness for example. There are ways to tackle gun violence without stripping people of their guns. It won't be perfect, but nothing is. It will however help ratchet down tensions over guns if dems look at going after the roots of gun violence rather than just take peoples' guns away.

ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

I find it so funny that you people just don't learn. You seem to think like the world is just or righteous that you deserve some kind of justice. Justice is made by the system we live in. Outside of that system there is none.

You sat around and let let republicans say on the internet and on television time and time again that Democrats are absolute evil, that it's ok to do anything no matter what it takes to stop them.

You didn't have any real response or pushback. You couldn't come up with a strategy. In the days of Ancient Rome you would of been a Roman citizen in a village getting burned down by the Goths trying to run to the local roman legion "Help us help us" but they're all loving dead.

You need to understand the winners make the rules in this world. And if you aren't the winners you're the losers. You need to understand the only thing that stopped hitler was the people who developed actual competent strategies to stop him. You need to realize it won't be the system, or the people in this country who are voting who will stop Donald Trump.

It's up to you and your strategies. If your strategies aren't working than nothing is going to happen to stop this. Republicans can and will kill democrats like they did in Arizona. They will punch the press like they did in Montana and your response will continue to be crying on internet forums rubbing your hands without any kind of actual legitimate plan to stop them except saying "oh they are evil eventually people will vote for us."

It's so loving weak and pathetic it makes me want to puke.

If you are going to come up with a strategy to stop them it better be a god-damned good one. It can't be some lovely "oh lets hold press conferences on capital hill calling them names." bullshit. You have to be willing to die for your cause. And so far I'm not seeing much dying out there on the streets. There are no martyrs in America no Phan Thi Kim Phuc running from Napalm.

You haven't given the American people an image or story shocking enough or strong enough to change their minds. And you won't win a war like this without some kind of sacrifice of the greatest kind.

Illuminti posted:

https://youtu.be/5WgUktfdDy4?t=16s

This thread

Captain Oblivious posted:

Gun owners are being persecuted?

By who?

Are we still talking about the United States?

ISeeCuckedPeople posted:

I find it so funny that you people just don't learn. You seem to think like the world is just or righteous that you deserve some kind of justice. Justice is made by the system we live in. Outside of that system there is none.

You sat around and let let republicans say on the internet and on television time and time again that Democrats are absolute evil, that it's ok to do anything no matter what it takes to stop them.

You didn't have any real response or pushback. You couldn't come up with a strategy. In the days of Ancient Rome you would of been a Roman citizen in a village getting burned down by the Goths trying to run to the local roman legion "Help us help us" but they're all loving dead.

You need to understand the winners make the rules in this world. And if you aren't the winners you're the losers. You need to understand the only thing that stopped hitler was the people who developed actual competent strategies to stop him. You need to realize it won't be the system, or the people in this country who are voting who will stop Donald Trump.

It's up to you and your strategies. If your strategies aren't working than nothing is going to happen to stop this. Republicans can and will kill democrats like they did in Arizona. They will punch the press like they did in Montana and your response will continue to be crying on internet forums rubbing your hands without any kind of actual legitimate plan to stop them except saying "oh they are evil eventually people will vote for us."

It's so loving weak and pathetic it makes me want to puke.

If you are going to come up with a strategy to stop them it better be a god-damned good one. It can't be some lovely "oh lets hold press conferences on capital hill calling them names." bullshit. You have to be willing to die for your cause. And so far I'm not seeing much dying out there on the streets. There are no martyrs in America no Phan Thi Kim Phuc running from Napalm.

You haven't given the American people an image or story shocking enough or strong enough to change their minds. And you won't win a war like this without some kind of sacrifice of the greatest kind.

Charliegrs posted:

By Dems. It's the truth, and it's a totally pointless way to completely cut off an entire demographic that maybe isn't too thrilled with Republicans but at the very least knows they will protect their 2nd amendment rights. A lot of people are single issue voters, and I think this is the one issue Dems really need to drop if they plan to ever win anything again in this country.

Baronash posted:

Obama's 2 terms were probably the worst 8 years for gun control in decades, so I don't know what the gently caress you're smoking.

Baronash posted:

Obama's 2 terms were probably the worst 8 years for gun control in decades, so I don't know what the gently caress you're smoking.

Charliegrs posted:

Lol you think the people that were screaming OBUNGLERS GOING TO TAKE ARE GUNS!! Knew that? Anyone with half a a brain knows Obama barely did anything about gun control but unfortunately Dems need to start catering their message a little more towards people with half a brain if they expect to win.

And did you see me even mention Obama or his feeble attempts at gun control? I'm speaking about the party platform. Until it becomes "The Democratic party will protect your 2nd amendment rights" we will keep losing in large swaths of the country

Charliegrs posted:

Lol you think the people that were screaming OBUNGLERS GOING TO TAKE ARE GUNS!! Knew that? Anyone with half a a brain knows Obama barely did anything about gun control but unfortunately Dems need to start catering their message a little more towards people with half a brain if they expect to win.

And did you see me even mention Obama or his feeble attempts at gun control? I'm speaking about the party platform. Until it becomes "The Democratic party will protect your 2nd amendment rights" we will keep losing in large swaths of the country

Charliegrs posted:

Lol you think the people that were screaming OBUNGLERS GOING TO TAKE ARE GUNS!! Knew that? Anyone with half a a brain knows Obama barely did anything about gun control but unfortunately Dems need to start catering their message a little more towards people with half a brain if they expect to win.

And did you see me even mention Obama or his feeble attempts at gun control? I'm speaking about the party platform. Until it becomes "The Democratic party will protect your 2nd amendment rights" we will keep losing in large swaths of the country

Andrast posted:

Maybe you shouldn't terms like "persecuted" if they haven't actually done anything

Charliegrs posted:

Well I wasn't the one that used that word. But I think for those out there that treasure their 2nd amendment rights they do in fact feel persecuted by an entire political party.

And changing the party platform needs to be followed by actions. Dem representatives (especially ones in rural states) need to start speaking at NRA conventions​ just like Republicans currently do and maybe start primaring against more gun control oriented Dems in elections. Of course people are going to be untrusting of these new pro 2nd amendment dems, that's what happens after decades of trying to take away your rights. Change will take time.

Baronash posted:

Clinton's position on guns was a carbon copy of Romney's. The party has already capitulated on this, but that isn't going to change the perceptions of single issue voters in Montana.