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NikkolasKing posted:I have more sympathy for the CSA than many here I expect but the Lost Cause is a lot cause now. 
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axeil posted:If cities can't then how about a bunch of "concerned citizens" "misplace" the monuments. To be the nerd that I am: "Menace 1-5, you're nearing the target. Place the X4 charges on the monument and get clear."
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Sloober posted:gently caress yeah! You ride that rocketship to state fiscal crisis wisconsin! Didn't Brownback try this too and now the state is basically bankrupt?
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axeil posted:If cities can't then how about a bunch of "concerned citizens" "misplace" the monuments. Time for some good ol' fashioned damnatio memoriae.
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NikkolasKing posted:I have more sympathy for the CSA than many here I expect but the Lost Cause is a lot cause now. I remember back when the Confederate Flag was taken down in South Carolina a couple years ago...and nobody cared. I mean, relatively nobody. I love the South, warts and all, and the idea they are all a bunch of Confederate apologists is just not true. Undoubtedly a small minority are but the olden days are quickly slipping away. The old guard and die-hards are still in positions of power so poo poo like this happens but the average Southerner growing up? I don't think they much care. The Confederacy was for their grandfathers and now even their great grandfathers. Otoh, 38% of Trump voters in SC wish the CSA had won the war http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/269510-poll-38-percent-of-sc-trump-supporters-wish-south-had-won-the-civil-war And this ad is from this year https://youtube.com/watch?v=lIUX97O11Vk
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Violator posted:Can you post the URL to this article? https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...m=.dab3396b9b77 http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/22/republicans-rewrite-congress-rules-agenda-238336
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Hey Leon Trotsky 2012, after reviewing Mulvaney's budget proposal and if it was ever to pass, what does that mean for corporations like Walmart who are a burden on taxpayers that provide welfare programs for underpaid workers? Does that mean in theory there could be more pressure on Walmart to increase wages with such severe cuts to those programs? I'm not an accelerationist, but I would think some of these large multinational corporations that have grossly profited from such cheap labor is going to face tremendous heat on paying better wages and benefits. Maybe I'm too optimistic in this leading to violent protests.
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It was a tragedy that killed tons of people. And not the plantation owners but the poor whites who the plantation owners sent off to fight and die for them. The South needed to reform and there was probably no other way to do it than some kind of war but that doesn't mean I can't feel sory for the poor people on both sides who died. Trabisnikof posted:Otoh, 38% of Trump voters in SC wish the CSA had won the war http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/269510-poll-38-percent-of-sc-trump-supporters-wish-south-had-won-the-civil-war Well...gently caress. She even invoked the "do what you think is right, not what is politically correct" as if all the people who hate the flag are just being PC and actually love the Confederacy. I guess my hopes are dashed, again. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 19:22 on May 26, 2017 |
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tetrapyloctomy posted:So if I were hypothetically to erect a monument of Confederate soldiers being hanged for treason, no one could take it down? A Confederate monument directly in front of this guy's house's front door, in his parking spot, etc.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...m=.dab3396b9b77 Thank you sir, really appreciate it.
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Confounding Factor posted:Hey Leon Trotsky 2012, after reviewing Mulvaney's budget proposal and if it was ever to pass, what does that mean for corporations like Walmart who are a burden on taxpayers that provide welfare programs for underpaid workers? Does that mean in theory there could be more pressure on Walmart to increase wages with such severe cuts to those programs? America is built on slavery and some people just want to return to it. If the budget passes no one on the ground level is going to care because a majority of Americans don't pay attention to the budget
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Confounding Factor posted:Hey Leon Trotsky 2012, after reviewing Mulvaney's budget proposal and if it was ever to pass, what does that mean for corporations like Walmart who are a burden on taxpayers that provide welfare programs for underpaid workers? Does that mean in theory there could be more pressure on Walmart to increase wages with such severe cuts to those programs? You just roll through employees now. It's why places are happy with their 70+% turnover rate.
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Spun Dog posted:Didn't Brownback try this too and now the state is basically bankrupt? That was the state corporate tax, income tax, and business "passthrough" rules. They didn't do anything to the property tax at the state level. Most property tax is assessed at the county level.
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Spun Dog posted:Didn't Brownback try this too and now the state is basically bankrupt? Yes (more or less) What's most frustrating is GOP is just as into the snowflake ideology as they say they're against it. It didn't work for other states but THIS STATE is special.
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Confounding Factor posted:Hey Leon Trotsky 2012, after reviewing Mulvaney's budget proposal and if it was ever to pass, what does that mean for corporations like Walmart who are a burden on taxpayers that provide welfare programs for underpaid workers? Does that mean in theory there could be more pressure on Walmart to increase wages with such severe cuts to those programs? Lmao, gently caress no, and if there are protests the riot police will be sent in. The Republican end goal is to serve power and money while eliminating any rungs on the ladder; near permanent state of crisis for the nonrich is thus an explicit step in this process.
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NikkolasKing posted:I have more sympathy for the CSA than many here I expect but the Lost Cause is a lot cause now. I remember back when the Confederate Flag was taken down in South Carolina a couple years ago...and nobody cared. I mean, relatively nobody. I love the South, warts and all, and the idea they are all a bunch of Confederate apologists is just not true. Undoubtedly a small minority are but the olden days are quickly slipping away. The old guard and die-hards are still in positions of power so poo poo like this happens but the average Southerner growing up? I don't think they much care. The Confederacy was for their grandfathers and now even their great grandfathers. I still see a lot of Confederate sympathy, but that's purely anecdotal. The fact that monuments and flags are being removed at all is a sign of real change.
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Confounding Factor posted:Hey Leon Trotsky 2012, after reviewing Mulvaney's budget proposal and if it was ever to pass, what does that mean for corporations like Walmart who are a burden on taxpayers that provide welfare programs for underpaid workers? Does that mean in theory there could be more pressure on Walmart to increase wages with such severe cuts to those programs? If his budget were to be implemented as-is with no changes (not happening) it would probably result in fewer total jobs at places like Wal-Mart and more full-time positions, rather than a raise in actual wages. Or the company probably wouldn't change anything and just let their employees suffer unless they were going to die or something. It really depends. There might be pressure from society, but economically there would be no reason to raise wages if your employees lose benefits unless it was directly impacting your ability to hire/keep employees or run your business. Wal-Mart is actually a huge fan of food stamps because it makes it easier to work at Wal-Mart and a significant portion of those people spend the stamps at Wal-Mart. They probably don't care about any changes to Medicaid eligibility outside of prescription sales (grocery and pharmacy are the fastest growing profit sources for physical Wal-Mart locations) Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 19:25 on May 26, 2017 |
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Spun Dog posted:Didn't Brownback try this too and now the state is basically bankrupt? making states bankrupt is the GOP's goal
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I'm sure Scott Walker will pair the end of the sales tax with a robust property tax increase!
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Fansy posted:making states bankrupt is the GOP's goal I can't wait for wisconsin avenue to be a gravel road because they cant afford to maintain it.
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Fansy posted:making states bankrupt is the GOP's goal Nah, transferring wealth to established businesses and high-income individuals is the GOP's goal. They've proven that they are willing to fund the government or raise taxes as long as the tax is regressive and used to subsidize established business interests.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Nah, transferring wealth to established businesses and high-income individuals is the GOP's goal. It just happens to work handily with the wealth transfer
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Just quit maintaining and cleaning them.
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Fansy posted:making states bankrupt is the GOP's goal States can't go bankrupt.
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Jesus III posted:Just quit maintaining and cleaning them. It seems someone has spilled yellow paint all over General Lee. Shame we can't do anything about it.
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Confounding Factor posted:States can't go bankrupt. 
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Confounding Factor posted:States can't go bankrupt. "Bankrupt" in this sense means "insolvent" not bankrupt as in the legal concept.
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Just start leaving tons of bread crumbs around the statues Nobody likes a bird poopy statue
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Confounding Factor posted:States can't go bankrupt. Sounds like Scott Walker wants to test that theory.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:It seems someone has spilled yellow paint all over General Lee. Shame we can't do anything about it. kzin602 posted:I know this was a a million pages ago in this fast moving thread; it really seems like these things can build on eachother.
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I like the 40 year stipulation in the Alabama law. It's pretty much acknowledgement that a multitude of Confederate monuments went up right before that, and gee I wonder why that was???
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Sloober posted:I can't wait for wisconsin avenue to be a gravel road because they cant afford to maintain it. 
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trickybiscuits posted:Also a shame Molotov cocktails are illegal, an unremovable melted metal statue would be an interesting artistic statement. Rust and aluminum cans are perfectly legal.
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Sloober posted:I can't wait for wisconsin avenue to be a gravel road because they cant afford to maintain it. I don't see why this would be a problem. Just take your helicopter. Unless you are some sort of *poor.*
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The thing I never understand about Confederate symbols are when they're seen in places that were still territories when the Civil War broke out or were states that were created after the Missouri Compromise. Obviously it's just a symbol of racism no matter what, where, and when, but it's just weird to me when I see a Confederate battle flag underneath a Wyoming state flag on a flagstaff while I'm commuting to work.
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BarbarianElephant posted:I don't see why this would be a problem. Just take your helicopter. I have conducted an extensive survey of southeast WI and they notably lack decent helicopter landing facilities, i cannot take my heli everywhere
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Confounding Factor posted:States can't go bankrupt. Hold my beer
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Confounding Factor posted:Hey Leon Trotsky 2012, after reviewing Mulvaney's budget proposal and if it was ever to pass, what does that mean for corporations like Walmart who are a burden on taxpayers that provide welfare programs for underpaid workers? Does that mean in theory there could be more pressure on Walmart to increase wages with such severe cuts to those programs? How about....we get rid of welfare programs AND get rid of workers protections like minimum wage? That way, everybody wins! 
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