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Kazinsal posted:First watch through I didn't like the ending, but on the second watch I was like "wait, the ending is God did it, and they were outright stating right from the start that God did it, this is actually really clever". Same, watching it in all row instead of piecemeal over years with every tiny thing being dissected by the internet really helps too.
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Hipster_Doofus posted:Just got done catching up with the thread. Thanks for the earworm. Hopefully this can clear it out for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVcAyEMM4Cc
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McSpanky posted:Same, watching it in all row instead of piecemeal over years with every tiny thing being dissected by the internet really helps too. I think Moore and Eick also kind of doomed themselves with their podcasts, where they were entirely too open about their creative process and then just started flat-out admitting that they were making it up as they went along. Sometimes it's good to be quiet.
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Timby posted:I think Moore and Eick also kind of doomed themselves with their podcasts, where they were entirely too open about their creative process and then just started flat-out admitting that they were making it up as they went along. Sometimes it's good to be quiet. This is only a problem for people who don't know that literally every writer makes it up as they go. That's how writing works. Even the most obsessive outliner writers change things along the way. In novels you get to go back and fix it before anyone else sees it, serial formats like TV don't have that luxury. Babylon 5 is the only non-miniseries TV show I can think of that had a complete plan before being produced, due to the fact that it took JMS ten years to get anyone to make the thing, and even then if you read the plan it isn't that much like what they actually put on the air.
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May 27, 2017 04:10
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BSG was a little shittier about that because they literally started every episode with "...and they have a plan." There was no plan, there was never a plan. Not even an outline.
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May 27, 2017 04:17
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Watching Elementary, Dear Data now and it's incredible.
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May 27, 2017 04:32
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Also they made a movie about the cylon plan called "The Plan" and it was all about the complete lack of any plan.
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May 27, 2017 05:03
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Grand Fromage posted:This is only a problem for people who don't know that literally every writer makes it up as they go. That's how writing works. Even the most obsessive outliner writers change things along the way. In novels you get to go back and fix it before anyone else sees it, serial formats like TV don't have that luxury. There's a big difference between having a degree of flexibility and going full improv plot.
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They made a great show. If they'd had a plan it would have been a religious experience. Wait...
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Tunicate posted:There's a big difference between having a degree of flexibility and going full improv plot. Not particularly. Wherever you fall on the outline to seat of the pants writing spectrum, the majority is made up on the fly and not at all what you expected it to be when you started writing. With TV you are seeing the process because it can't be edited. That results in plot holes and things not hanging together as well as you get in a novel or a miniseries. If they had gone to Moore and crew and said okay, you guys have a guaranteed four years to make this show and a year to work it all out before we start filming, then it would have fit together better. Unfortunately that is not how TV works.
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I saw someone post an analysis of BSG, which ended up having a comprehensive explanation of who became a cylon and when. You just have to assume cylonism is a STD and it works out perfectly.
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VitalSigns posted:Also they made a movie about the cylon plan called "The Plan" and it was all about the complete lack of any plan. zoom in on the cock
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Casting specifics, per Nerdist. http://nerdist.com/star-trek-discovery-complete-casting-breakdown/ Sonequa Martin-Green's character is named....Michael?
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Gonz posted:Casting specifics, per Nerdist. Michael Michele is a relatively prominent actress...
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Maybe they'll bring back everyone being called Mister regardless of gender. I quite liked that.
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I've heard of streamlined watchthroughs of TNG and DS9 where you skip over the unnecessary tripe, but is there a way to watch Voyager that tells the general story while skipping all of the atrocious episodes and only keeping in some of them? I know there's a few decent episodes in there somewhere.
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I'm trying to find a way but most of them end with "...then turn it all off right there and pretend that's how the show ended"...
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CommaToes posted:I've heard of streamlined watchthroughs of TNG and DS9 where you skip over the unnecessary tripe, but is there a way to watch Voyager that tells the general story while skipping all of the atrocious episodes and only keeping in some of them? It's a season seven episode, so it might spoil some things, but Shattered?
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CommaToes posted:I've heard of streamlined watchthroughs of TNG and DS9 where you skip over the unnecessary tripe, but is there a way to watch Voyager that tells the general story while skipping all of the atrocious episodes and only keeping in some of them? I think three different people have tried this in the last month alone and the unanimous verdict was  gently caress Voyager.Unrelated, hey guys remember how transportation kills Trills? No, anybody, nobody?
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Orv posted:Unrelated, hey guys remember how transportation kills Trills? No, anybody, nobody? I hate this episode because it's the closest TNG ever came to doing an actual soap opera episode. It's pure melodrama and it's just godawful. It reminds me of the early episode with Troi's arranged marriage. TNG does not do romance well, at all.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I hate this episode because it's the closest TNG ever came to doing an actual soap opera episode. It's pure melodrama and it's just godawful. It reminds me of the early episode with Troi's arranged marriage. TNG does not do romance well, at all. Probably should have just let Patrick have a couple episodes about fuckin' and truckin'
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gently caress you new people. Watch Voyager. We did it. Watch it all. ALL OF IT 
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THERE ARE SEVEN SEASONS
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Grand Fromage posted:gently caress you new people. Watch Voyager. We did it. Watch it all. I've watched at all at least twice. There is good stuff in there, but it's a slog to marathon in modern style because it's so samey and dull in a lot of places. It also has the highest stinker:great episode ratio by a country banjo-playing-alien mile.
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Grand Fromage posted:gently caress you new people. Watch Voyager. We did it. Watch it all. I didn't. I missed a lot of seasons 5-7 because I got so bored and sick of it. I only came back for the last part of season 7 to see them get home.
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Orv posted:I think three different people have tried this in the last month alone and the unanimous verdict was I'm one of them. Literally skipped to Endgame today because gently caress watching any more of this bullshit show. Star Trek ended with DS9 and came back with JJTrek and that's all there is to it. gently caress everything.
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May 27, 2017 15:41
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Watch that fun two part miniseries, Star Trek: Equinox.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:I didn't. I missed a lot of seasons 5-7 because I got so bored and sick of it. I only came back for the last part of season 7 to see them get home. you must experience bij
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I spoiled the end of Voyager earlier in this thread anyway. You don't need to watch it.
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Orv posted:Unrelated, hey guys remember how transportation kills Trills? No, anybody, nobody? They really should have renamed the species when they changed the makeup for DS9. Virtually nothing carries over from the TNG appearance - the original Trill was pretty clearly a parasite that completely took over the host, not a symbiotic joining, and are meant to be a weird species nobody knows much about, but Dax has apparently been hanging around Federation space for centuries.
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Hell, Dax banged McCoy when he was at Ole Miss.
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Grand Fromage posted:This is only a problem for people who don't know that literally every writer makes it up as they go. That's how writing works. It is amazing that people do not realize this. WTF, that's some basic poo poo.
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Fun fact: the first episode of Best of Both Worlds was written by a guy who thought he was leaving after its air date, so put zero consideration into how a second part would go down. Then he didn't leave, so he had to write his way out of the corner he had written himself into.
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That's actually not a bad way to write a cliffhanger, all things considered. Although it probably dooms you to a weak followup in much the same way.
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Some time ago there was some talk about the TNG writers' cultural bubble; I've just finished The Higher Ground, and I can't believe they dropped 'the Irish reunification of 20whenever' into Data's mouth, while mentioning other 'successful' guerilla campaigns like Mexico's indepencence from Spain. What the gently caress? Picard going into GET OFF MY BRIDGE mode and taking a swing at Bridge invaders was good, even though it happened for plot reasons. Maybe this was when Patrick Stewart was starting to grumble about wanting more action scenes?
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so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
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spincube posted:Some time ago there was some talk about the TNG writers' cultural bubble; I've just finished The Higher Ground, and I can't believe they dropped 'the Irish reunification of 20whenever' into Data's mouth, while mentioning other 'successful' guerilla campaigns like Mexico's indepencence from Spain. What the gently caress? Doesn't the US exist because of a successful guerilla campaign?
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spincube posted:Some time ago there was some talk about the TNG writers' cultural bubble; I've just finished The Higher Ground, and I can't believe they dropped 'the Irish reunification of 20whenever' into Data's mouth, while mentioning other 'successful' guerilla campaigns like Mexico's indepencence from Spain. What the gently caress? The background of Star Trek assumes a whole lot of poo poo going down in the late 20th century and the 21st century. That Irish Reunification occurs following the Eugenics Wars and just before World War III pops off.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Doesn't the US exist because of a successful guerilla campaign? IRA bombs were still going off at the time that the episode was recorded and broadcast: I'd imagine a similar line today would be something about Islamic State resulting in peace in the Middle East and thus the formation of ECON. [e] The terrorist who kidnaps Crusher compares himself favourably to George Washington, but I'm unsure whether that was to deliberately show him as your standard ends-justify-the-means type, or just poor writing  SomeMathGuy posted:The background of Star Trek assumes a whole lot of poo poo going down in the late 20th century and the 21st century. That Irish Reunification occurs following the Eugenics Wars and just before World War III pops off. I thought the Eugenics Wars led directly to WW3? - Khaaaaaaan and the others were overthrown, humanity promptly started killing each other again, something something post-atomic horror, then the Borg show up to stop Zef Cochrane and Trek history begins. spincube fucked around with this message at 20:26 on May 27, 2017 |
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spincube posted:IRA bombs were still going off at the time that the episode was recorded and broadcast: I'd imagine a similar line today would be something about Islamic State resulting in peace in the Middle East and thus the formation of ECON. Nah there's like a twenty year reconstructive gap that results in massive wealth disparities leading to, like, riots and poo poo, per DS9 anyway. You're right about the line being politically awkward, though, apparently it got the episode censored in the UK. SomeMathGuy fucked around with this message at 20:28 on May 27, 2017 |
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