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Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/868506735430037506
https://twitter.com/PhilipRucker/status/868486448563015685

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Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset




So peaceful. So strengthful.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe

Low Desert Punk posted:

So, just to get my alt-right talking points straight, the new thing is that Obama had a secret back channel to Iran so it makes what Kushner did okay?

A back channel to be used by the actual government is fine and isn't the same as a back channel to be used by the son-in-law of someone who wasn't actually president at the time the back channel was proposed.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

withak posted:

A back channel to be used by the actual government is fine and isn't the same as a back channel to be used by the son-in-law of someone who wasn't actually president at the time the back channel was proposed.

More importantly, government "back channels" are still monitored, they aren't the same kind of setup you'd try to use to share kiddie porn with Putin

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

More importantly, government "back channels" are still monitored, they aren't the same kind of setup you'd try to use to share kiddie porn with Putin

https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/868458800428331008

Reminder Trump/the GOP is still going on about the HILLARY GAVE 20% OF OUR NUCLEAR STOCKPILE TO THE RUSSIANS fake news.

edit: lol location services are on on Trump's phone? The gently caress

https://twitter.com/nedprice/status/868495030456991744

https://twitter.com/KateAronoff/status/868109757009330176
https://twitter.com/KateAronoff/status/868110830583369728
https://twitter.com/KateAronoff/status/868114203118379008
https://twitter.com/KateAronoff/status/868121288786706433

Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 19:04 on May 27, 2017

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

Magic Hate Ball posted:

Trump refusing to visit that holy mountain site because he'd have to take a cable car instead of just landing his helicopter literally on top of it still has me reeling.

He needs to rub his clitoris against the mountain to find strength to continue on

Combed Thunderclap
Jan 4, 2011




LOL forever at these morons being obsessed with a non-binding goal and using it to try to shake down our most powerful allies like they were kids in a lunchroom

You're not going to catch those flies with vinegar, honey

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Refresh me on this:

Don Jr. is the one that looks like a ferret, and the other son is the one that kind of looks like a cross between a possum and that guy Odo from Deep Space Nine, right?

Lightning Lord
Feb 21, 2013

$200 a day, plus expenses

I wonder if fear of American flakiness will make them increase military spending anyway?

I mean if I was a certain huge nation that had lots of oil and was located right across from Russia, and depended on my alliances with the US for defense, I'd be thinking about investing more than 1% of my GDP in defense.

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

Ice Phisherman posted:

So peaceful. So strengthful.

The strength of the golf cart battery

Combed Thunderclap
Jan 4, 2011



Lightning Lord posted:

I wonder if fear of American flakiness will make them increase military spending anyway?

I mean if I was a certain huge nation that had lots of oil and was located right across from Russia, and depended on my alliances with the US for defense, I'd be thinking about investing more than 1% of my GDP in defense.

Yeah that's why Poland and Estonia are already meeting the target and then some.

At the end of the day the US keeps dumping ridiculous amounts of money into its military, we can hardly blame countries for underspending when we overspend so much. Lowering military spending might actually be the best way to get others that aren't on the Russian border to raise their military spending if you're thinking with incentives other than "make the orange man shut up".

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 6 hours!
I was curious what glen greenwald thought of all this, and he has endorsed this theory.

Apologize for the tweet that should be a blog post.

https://twitter.com/mattwelch/status/868317678842388480

I think in the end it'll probably be closer to incompetence and corruption than treason.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Lightning Lord posted:

I wonder if fear of American flakiness will make them increase military spending anyway?

I mean if I was a certain huge nation that had lots of oil and was located right across from Russia, and depended on my alliances with the US for defense, I'd be thinking about investing more than 1% of my GDP in defense.

For the last time no, Canada will not buy those F35s. :argh:

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

Combed Thunderclap posted:

Yeah that's why Poland and Estonia are already meeting the target and then some.

At the end of the day the US keeps dumping ridiculous amounts of money into its military, we can hardly blame countries for underspending when we overspend so much. Lowering military spending might actually be the best way to get others that aren't on the Russian border to raise their military spending if you're thinking with incentives other than "make the orange man shut up".

Trump admin: of course we screw up solving the problems we imagined to exist.

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Combed Thunderclap posted:

Yeah that's why Poland and Estonia are already meeting the target and then some.

At the end of the day the US keeps dumping ridiculous amounts of money into its military, we can hardly blame countries for underspending when we overspend so much. Lowering military spending might actually be the best way to get others that aren't on the Russian border to raise their military spending if you're thinking with incentives other than "make the orange man shut up".

That.... would not go over well with our other allies. 5 of our 7 defense treaties are in the western pacific.

Low Desert Punk
Jul 4, 2012

i have absolutely no fucking money

Zwabu posted:

Refresh me on this:

Don Jr. is the one that looks like a ferret, and the other son is the one that kind of looks like a cross between a possum and that guy Odo from Deep Space Nine, right?

Please do not drag Odo's name through the mud like this

Shammypants
May 25, 2004

Let me tell you about true luxury.

FizFashizzle posted:



I think in the end it'll probably be closer to incompetence and corruption than treason.

Just FYI every few months someone makes a similar post, also with a tweetstorm from some guy detailing how it wasn't organized criminal behavior and treason but something bordering on lack of ethics, morals and illegality here and there. Then we spend the next few months learning even more gross legal and ethical violations, we reach our new normalization plateau and then start anew.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006


It took me a bit to remember if Don Jr. or Eric was the one who was photographed with lemonade in a free water cup at In And Out Burger.

It was Eric, unfortunately.

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



Low Desert Punk posted:

Please do not drag Odo's name through the mud like this

Quaaaaaaark!

Mystic Mongol
Jan 5, 2007

Your life's been thrown in disarray already--I wouldn't want you to feel pressured.


College Slice

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

I don't think there has ever been a single thing on the internet that considered itself "ironic" that wasn't basically just that actual thing past a day or two.

Shadowbane was a pretty awful MMO that came out in the early oughties. You were encouraged to start guilds and found cities and have feuds with other player factions, so a friend and I started a faction of holy warriors. And to give our guild more character and color than the usual, "we are the best and fight everyone who won't say we're the best," we decided that we were enemies of the shades, a player race of undead. They were shambling corpses and evil! Our enemies were anyone who counted them among their numbers and our friends anyone who wasn't the drat dirty undead.

Whups! Turns out everyone else who thought that was a swell idea was suuuuuuuper racist. So that lasted about three days before we stole everyone's everything, burned down the half built town hall we had started, and started alts. gently caress those people.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

It seemed really obvious even at the time that "online communities" for trump were largely manufactured astroturfing. Both really astroturfing where like russian chat bots were literally spamming twitter. But also that weird internet age phenomenon where a small number of people can dominate a forum in an organized and outsized way by seeming like a lot of people in a way where they aren't paid by anyone so it's weird to call it astroturfing but it's also a manufactured fake thing.

Oh, you mean like GBS right now

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



Owlofcreamcheese posted:

I don't think there has ever been a single thing on the internet that considered itself "ironic" that wasn't basically just that actual thing past a day or two.

Ironic anything is the masthead of movements where not being taken seriously is the gateway drug.

We're not racists. We're ironic racists. You can tell the difference because we say we're different and attempt to be funny while being racist.

Irony is dead. We are who we pretend to be.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Flesh Forge posted:

Oh, you mean like GBS right now

Spunky Psycho Ho has to post like 100 times a day, that motherfucker never shuts up

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe

https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/868534600259076096

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this

Ice Phisherman posted:

Ironic anything is the masthead of movements where not being taken seriously is the gateway drug.

We're not racists. We're ironic racists. You can tell the difference because we say we're different and attempt to be funny while being racist.

Irony is dead. We are who we pretend to be.

I always think of that FYAD post about the guy who couldn't stop using the n-word in his inner monologue or whatever.

Raccooon
Dec 5, 2009

Combed Thunderclap posted:

LOL forever at these morons being obsessed with a non-binding goal and using it to try to shake down our most powerful allies like they were kids in a lunchroom

You're not going to catch those flies with vinegar, honey

They also don't understand the purpose of NATO and the UN. They look at it like the US is defending all these countries because they refuse to do it themselves. When really NATO and the UN are apparatuses that allow the US to wield power all over the globe. Tearing it all down over the 2% mark will just weaken the US.

Raccooon fucked around with this message at 19:48 on May 27, 2017

Apoplexy
Mar 9, 2003

by Shine

Oxxidation posted:

Spunky Psycho Ho has to post like 100 times a day, that motherfucker never shuts up

A reminder: This loving retard said that POLITICALLY-CORRECT THOUGHT POLICE were the #1 threat in America.

As Nazis literally murder people left and right.

Can you BE any more of a whiny, white, privileged piece of loving poo poo?

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Crain posted:

So this just confirms that the WH staff has hidden the office's ability to contact other heads of state directly. Like. Clearly they haven't told him that he can directly contact our allies. Probably for the best, can you imagine getting a 3am call from Trump to complain about a CNN story?

No it just confirms Trump's having memory issues and forgot he can make direct calls. He's made direct calls to other heads of state before.

Jygallax
Oct 17, 2011

Every human being deserves respect. Even if if they are a little different.
That's the thing about Trump's NATO poo poo that's never made sense to me. Ostensibly the whole point of getting other nations to meet the 2% target would be to allow the US to spend less on defense and not have to cover for other countries. But that's never going to happen, especially when Trump himself keeps pushing for even more defense spending. What's the point besides alienating allies? that is the point I guess

Ice Phisherman
Apr 12, 2007

Swimming upstream
into the sunset



Jygallax posted:

That's the thing about Trump's NATO poo poo that's never made sense to me. Ostensibly the whole point of getting other nations to meet the 2% target would be to allow the US to spend less on defense and not have to cover for other countries. But that's never going to happen, especially when Trump himself keeps pushing for even more defense spending. What's the point besides alienating allies? that is the point I guess

Shake those motherfuckers down for money.

"Nice country you have here. It'd be a shame if something happened to it."

Dr Christmas
Apr 24, 2010

Berninating the one percent,
Berninating the Wall St.
Berninating all the people
In their high rise penthouses!
🔥😱🔥🔫👴🏻

Apoplexy posted:

A reminder: This loving retard said that POLITICALLY-CORRECT THOUGHT POLICE were the #1 threat in America.

As Nazis literally murder people left and right.

Can you BE any more of a whiny, white, privileged piece of loving poo poo?

You don't understand! First they made the Ghostbusters FEMALES, and then the feminazis made Blizzard take Tracer's butt away from us! Don't you understand?!

Tracer's butt :cry:

Low Desert Punk
Jul 4, 2012

i have absolutely no fucking money
gas gbs

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

Jygallax posted:

That's the thing about Trump's NATO poo poo that's never made sense to me. Ostensibly the whole point of getting other nations to meet the 2% target would be to allow the US to spend less on defense and not have to cover for other countries. But that's never going to happen, especially when Trump himself keeps pushing for even more defense spending. What's the point besides alienating allies? that is the point I guess

Maybe he just wants the next world war to have a decent production budget?

Jygallax
Oct 17, 2011

Every human being deserves respect. Even if if they are a little different.

Ice Phisherman posted:

Shake those motherfuckers down for money.

"Nice country you have here. It'd be a shame if something happened to it."

But ostensibly what they are demanding is not money from them, its that they spend more money on themselves. That only benefits the US if the US is willing to spend less on themselves in response, but nobody ever wants to bring up that possibility. I understand the idiot version of what Trump means, but there is no serious way to understand it that isn't incoherent or evil (the "you guys should literally hand us checks to protect you" interpretation, which is not explicitly stated).

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

No it just confirms Trump's having memory issues and forgot he can make direct calls. He's made direct calls to other heads of state before.

Maybe it's a personal habit, like he thinks giving out his personal number is some kind of token of grace, ahh, you're in the inner circle, let's talk deals.

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!

Jygallax posted:

That's the thing about Trump's NATO poo poo that's never made sense to me. Ostensibly the whole point of getting other nations to meet the 2% target would be to allow the US to spend less on defense and not have to cover for other countries. But that's never going to happen, especially when Trump himself keeps pushing for even more defense spending. What's the point besides alienating allies? that is the point I guess

He fails to understand what NATO is, how it works, and what the USA gets out of the deal on a fundamental level.

Ramos
Jul 3, 2012



Empty quotin'.

Jygallax
Oct 17, 2011

Every human being deserves respect. Even if if they are a little different.

Crain posted:

He fails to understand what NATO is, how it works, and what the USA gets out of the deal on a fundamental level.

:hai:

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Magic Hate Ball posted:

Maybe it's a personal habit, like he thinks giving out his personal number is some kind of token of grace, ahh, you're in the inner circle, let's talk deals.

Those direct calls are probably mediated by staffers and diplomats, while Trump still thinks he's a cross between CEO and king who should be able to summon foreign leaders with a wave of his hand.

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Low Desert Punk
Jul 4, 2012

i have absolutely no fucking money

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