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ArbitraryC posted:I feel like I was already clear? If he wasn't making poo poo up they tried to forcefully detain him over their own mistake, people using unlawful force against you is like literally the one clear case of it being okay to escalate force yourself. Are you loving kidding me? But yeah, there's a pretty good chance that it's a fake one.
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fruit on the bottom posted:Are you loving kidding me? I didn't realize "you should be able to respond with whatever force necessary to free yourself from people illegally holding you hostage" was a controversial viewpoint, but yeah that particular story is fake. But I mean that's prolly the point of the story, they're making up a fake scenario so people can get in a dumb gun argument. fwiw i am mostly anti private ownership of firearms that aren't for hunting.
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May 28, 2017 05:05
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I can believe a dumb chain restaurant manager in some podunk shithole on a power trip would do something like that, but the whole story is just a little too perfect. Nonetheless, I enjoyed the tale of gunfucker magoo owning himself over and over again.
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quote:I spoke with a 2A attorney today but he refused to represent in my criminal charges and my suit. He said I would need a different attorney for my lawsuits. Either it's fake as hell (it is) or he's leaving out incredibly important details to make himself look better
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May 28, 2017 05:07
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Just pointing out that the Pancake Avenger stated he goes to that IHOP almost every day so: 1.) lol 2.) I bet there are more than a few staff there who knew who he is and that he's nuttier than squirrel poo poo
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May 28, 2017 05:09
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for spoilers I've already googled it and to get contracts with visa etc you have to be able to offer offline options. The scenario simply would not have happened as is.
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May 28, 2017 05:11
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ArbitraryC posted:for spoilers I've already googled it and to get contracts with visa etc you have to be able to offer offline options. The scenario simply would not have happened as is and if it did the dude would be in the right. To get contracts w visa at one point you had to promise not to charge a CC fee or minimum purchase size but many places did.
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May 28, 2017 05:14
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Is it illegal to take pictures of another person when they are out in public and to have a blog reporting where they are going/what they are doing?quote:My cousin is in trouble with the cops for this but I don't think he is doing anything illegal and I want to know if I'm wrong. He made a blog about this girl he used to date and when she went out he would take pictures of her in public places only and then report on the blog where she went and what she did. For example: Jenny drove to get gas, Jenny went to Starbucks and got coffee, Jenny got to work at 9am, Jenny left work at 5pm etc. He never contacted Jenny in any way and he only takes photos of her when she is in public. I get that it's probably creepy, but is anything about what he did illegal under California law? Jenny is over 18 and there is no restraining order or court order forbidding him to stay away from her.
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ArbitraryC posted:I didn't realize "you should be able to respond with whatever force necessary to free yourself from people illegally holding you hostage" was a controversial viewpoint, but yeah that particular story is fake. lol, an unarmed man grabbing your arm and warning you not to dine and dash is a hostage situation now. It's a good thing he had his concealed carry permit, otherwise they would have had to send in a SWAT team to rescue him  He was very obviously in no danger, the idea that drawing a gun was appropriate or legal is pure NRA masturbatory fantasy.Not that it matters, story is 110% fake.
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May 28, 2017 05:38
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dudeness posted:Is it illegal to take pictures of another person when they are out in public and to have a blog reporting where they are going/what they are doing? Stalking is Very Bad
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Improbable Lobster posted:Stalking is Very Bad But is it illegal?🤔
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ArbitraryC posted:I didn't realize "you should be able to respond with whatever force necessary to free yourself from people illegally holding you hostage" was a controversial viewpoint, but yeah that particular story is fake. Mr. Bauer, this is an IHOP cash register. I agree the guy is almost certainly misrepresenting events, but even as he presents them, pulling a gun is the act of a mental disordered person. Someone standing between you and the door is not a kidnapping. You should not feel at liberty to use "whatever force necessary" when your negotiations with waitstaff break down.
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ArbitraryC posted:It's a fake story because there are like infinity alternatives that would happen when a cc reader went down before "okay we're holding the entire restaurant hostage" so I dunno why you're even bothering to discuss it but yeah if they illegally tried to forcefully detain him he should be within his rights to escalate force. There are literally laws on this, if they have the logo on the door they have to come up with alternative (re: manual) measures to cover the card, they can't hold you hostage for cash when it's their mistake. Yo, you're only allowed to escalate with reasonable force. Hand on arm gives you the right to maybe force a dude (kick, shove, punch, etc.) away, not draw a gun. You're right in that it's the restaurant's responsibility to have available the methods for payment they advertise and that refusing to let someone leave like they did could be false imprisonment, but brandishing as a response to someone grabbing your arm is definitely illegal.
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Charles Get-Out posted:Yo, you're only allowed to escalate with reasonable force. Hand on arm gives you the right to maybe force a dude (kick, shove, punch, etc.) away, not draw a gun. not if it is recognized as false imprisonment? I mean yeah idealy if this actually happened dude should just wait for cops to show up but lets be real this is america and you absolutely can get away with waving a gun around if someone else "started it". It's not like he shot anyone he just responded to their threat with his own. If zimmerman got off I'm p sure this guy could if things went down as written. e: think about it this way, once physical restrictions were already established what would be "reasonable" force? We dunno this dude's weight or the managers weight, maybe a weapon is the ony way he could assert his rights. He didn't use the force he just threatened it in response to unlawful force against him. There's a p clear distinction. ArbitraryC fucked around with this message at 05:54 on May 28, 2017 |
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ArbitraryC posted:not if it is recognized as false imprisonment? No, you can't get away with it. Even if it is false imprisonment. Zimmerman got off because the jury bought the prosecution's argument that Trayvon was using deadly force against Zimmerman and thus Zimmerman's use of deadly force in self defense was justified. In that case, the prosecution convinced the jury that Trayvon was beating Zimmerman in the head and practically curbstomping him. quote:e: think about it this way, once physical restrictions were already established what would be "reasonable" force? We dunno this dude's weight or the managers weight, maybe a weapon is the ony way he could assert his rights. He didn't use the force he just threatened it in response to unlawful force against him. There's a p clear distinction. I already told you what would be reasonable force in the reddit scenario. Dude doesn't get to draw his gun unless the manager starts beating him, draws a knife, draws a gun, etc. Nancy fucked around with this message at 06:26 on May 28, 2017 |
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May 28, 2017 05:54
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I guess we will never know because there's never been a case of someone being illegally detained in response to a businesses failing to provide the payment options available where the person then tried to fight back in order to leave.
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ArbitraryC posted:I guess we will never know because there's never been a case of someone being illegally detained in response to a businesses failing to provide the payment options available. Do you want me to fax you my bar card or will my diploma suffice? edit: "fighting back" would have been fine, but the guy did not just "fight back." He pulled a deadly weapon.
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Charles Get-Out posted:Do you want me to fax you my bar card or will my diploma suffice?
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I feel like the exact same conversation was had the last time the IHOP Gunman story was posted possibly by the exact same people as well
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ArbitraryC posted:Is there actual case law on a dude trying to leave a mcdonalds after their cc servers go down? It's probably excessive but a jury might buy it if you weren't a meth smoking weirdo who returned to the scene of the crime CharlestonJew posted:I feel like the exact same conversation was had the last time the IHOP Gunman story was posted Time is a flat circle
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ArbitraryC posted:I guess we will never know because there's never been a case of someone being illegally detained in response to a businesses failing to provide the payment options available where the person then tried to fight back in order to leave. nice edit lmao
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I am 100% not trying to be snarky, I legit think pulling a gun out in that situation is unacceptable and am largely against personal firearm ownership for self defense (rather than hunting or sport). I just think if this literal case came down to an actual court a dude (or perhaps more importantly, a woman) using a gun to say they don't want to be held against their will in an illegal manner, but not shooting anyone, would fall in a p grey area that would boil down to an individual trial and when I originally googled around about this there was nothing similar.
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ArbitraryC posted:I am 100% not trying to be snarky, I legit think pulling a gun out in that situation is unacceptable and am largely against personal firearm ownership for self defense (rather than hunting or sport). I just think if this literal case came down to an actual court a dude (or perhaps more importantly, a woman) using a gun to say they don't want to be held against their will in an illegal manner, but not shooting anyone, would fall in a p grey area that would boil down to an individual trial and when I originally googled around about this there was nothing similar. K
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ArbitraryC posted:Is there actual case law on a dude trying to leave a mcdonalds after their cc servers go down? There's case law on everything, this is America. CharlestonJew posted:I feel like the exact same conversation was had the last time the IHOP Gunman story was posted I don't think I've read this story or had this particular conversation before.
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Charles Get-Out posted:There's case law on everything, this is America. Probably only need Florida to cover like 99% of case law.
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Charles Get-Out posted:There's case law on everything, this is America.
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ArbitraryC posted:I'd legit enjoy to see when this happened for real. Is there a good link or something? I've been poking around, but I'm mostly turning up cases of what is reasonable force to resist unlawful arrest by a police officer.
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Charles Get-Out posted:I've been poking around, but I'm mostly turning up cases of what is reasonable force to resist unlawful arrest by a police officer. np I really didn't mean any disrespect, I initially edited that snarky response even before you said you were a lawyer cause I wasn't trying to be that confrontational over a fake story. If you're bored and find something go ahead and post it, it's in the flavor of this thread either way.
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ArbitraryC posted:np I really didn't mean any disrespect, I initially edited that snarky response even before you said you were a lawyer cause I wasn't trying to be that confrontational over a fake story. If you're bored and find something go ahead and post it, it's in the flavor of this thread either way. It's not a problem. I don't think I'm going to be able to find anything post-able that makes an interesting read as I'm more the legislative-bill-scrubbing variety & my old casebooks are actual books; can cite statutes and model penal code though  Anyways, an interesting read in 3 acts: I'm [18M] meeting up with a guy [36M] for "cuddles and fun". Anything I should know going in to this? Act I posted:So this will be the first time I've ever done anything sort-of sexual/relationship-y, so I understand I'm completely naive. Act II posted:edit: Thank you for the advice. I'm sorry I'm ignoring the main one which is "don't go you loving idiot". I'm pretty sure you guys are the voice of reason.. It might be extremely loving stupid of me, but I am planning to go. Here's my plan: And the TWIST UPDATE Act III posted:Absolutely noped the gently caress outta there. Cheers guys.
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I want to send this guy one of those screaming letters from Harry Potter that's just 800 copies of the sentence "WHY DO YOU NEED SECOND OPINIONS ON WHETHER YOU SHOULD LEAVE WHEN SOMEONE WITHHOLDS THAT THEY ARE HIV POSITIVE FROM YOU?"
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:No way is that normal levels of brain function for an 18 year old. Refusing any and all advice in the face of having sex but realizing maybe they should ask put in a token ask puts them squarely in the top 10% of 18 year olds with Grindr profiles.
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"I reluctantly left"  That dude has the mind of a robot vacuum cleaner. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 09:26 on May 28, 2017 |
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ArbitraryC posted:I am 100% not trying to be snarky, I legit think pulling a gun out in that situation is unacceptable and am largely against personal firearm ownership for self defense (rather than hunting or sport). I just think if this literal case came down to an actual court a dude (or perhaps more importantly, a woman) using a gun to say they don't want to be held against their will in an illegal manner, but not shooting anyone, would fall in a p grey area that would boil down to an individual trial and when I originally googled around about this there was nothing similar. Depends on the state but in most cases that's an open and shut case of brandishing. Typical rule of thumb for concealed carry is that the gun doesn't leave the holster unless you're very sure you have to use it. If you're that interested look up some example cases of brandishing convictions and you're liable to see a bunch of people getting dinged for being as dumbass like that guy.
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ArbitraryC posted:this one has been posted before and tbh I almost feel bad for the guy cause assuming it was not a meth filled dreamsequence then I legit feel like he was mostly in the right in the encounter itself. Not his fault their cc readers were down and an "average person" would assume they were able to pay with cards if it said so at the establishment, most people don't really carry cash nowadays so it would be p unreasonable for them to try and detain him when he was offering valid payment over something that was entirely their fault. There is no way the IHOP part of the story is true. Here's how I imagine it actually went down: "Sorry our ATM is temporarily offline, if you don't have cash you can wait a short time and it should be right back" *Mumbles something incoherently* "Sorry what was that sir?" *Turns and walks towards the door" "Sir? Sir????" * Briefly touches shoulder to get his attention" *Draws Glock 23 9mm*
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abigserve posted:There is no way the IHOP part of the story is true. Here's how I imagine it actually went down: The Glock 23 is in .40S&W jfc do your research dude GOD
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My [41M] parents [60s] are accusing me of bad parenting of daughter [18F] for a ridiculous reasonquote:This started last weekend when my parents were visiting. At one point my daughter said she had a preference for black men and my parents seemed disturbed.
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maskenfreiheit posted:one nice thing about europe is you can get an overnight train to pretty much anywhere pretty cheap, he should ditch his friend and finish the trip alone Uhhh not the part of Europe known as Britain which is apparently where he is. Trains are expensive here.
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