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If you're not paying off student loans, you make plenty in any of the three countries. Public schools in Korea are tough yeah, and I wouldn't take a hagwon job. Japan supposedly is increasing the number of JETs. I'd apply there first, Japan is a much nicer place to live. Taiwan is also an option for China, But Not lovely. For pay/career potential the mainland is the best at the moment. It is, however, a bad country that's bad to live in. That said a year is a tolerable period of time for it, and if you can afford to be picky you can try for less lovely locations like Xiamen or Dalian.
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Grand Fromage posted:Chengdu is a tier 1 city. Not according to Wikipedia. Plus, if that's true, I loving weep for China. Look at this subway-related bullshit outside my window. Paperhouse posted:I'm pretty open to teaching anywhere in south/southeast Asia but from reading around I got the impression that Japan and Korea were both now quite hard to get into (public schools anyway re: Korea) and not as good as they once were for ESL teachers. It also seemed more realistic to live in a decent sized city in China than in either of those places, but I know I can be wrong about stuff like this! There's a lot of conflicting or outdated information everywhere. Yeah, Korea is definitely not the place to go right now. Japan, it's perfectly easy to get a job in Japan- a starter job. If you eschew JET and real international schools, there are loads of opportunities. Your visa is also not tied to your job, so if you came in and hated your gig, you could leave and find a new one without having to do a visa run. The problem with Japan is low savings potential. Not low salary, just a much higher cost of living than China and, occasionally, Korea.
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:Not according to Wikipedia. Plus, if that's true, I loving weep for China. Look at this subway-related bullshit outside my window. Has been for two years (but the tier system is utterly meaningless and even the Chinese government admits such).
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:Not according to Wikipedia. Plus, if that's true, I loving weep for China. Look at this subway-related bullshit outside my window. A tier 2 city wouldn't even have a subway going out to the 'burbs 
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Grand Fromage posted:Has been for two years (but the tier system is utterly meaningless and even the Chinese government admits such). Didn't you live in the boonies in Chengdu
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Jeoh posted:Didn't you live in the boonies in Chengdu For the first six months, then I got the gently caress out of that.
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Magna Kaser posted:A tier 2 city wouldn't even have a subway going out to the 'burbs WELL WE DON'T NOW DO WE  I'm still angry about the Line 4 delay ok
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caberham posted:You actually need some solid experience, but these guys are legit If you're a qualified teacher with a few years behind you, I'd absolutely recommend Search. Getting on their system is a bunch of hoops, I think I ended up having to chase up 4 references between 2 schools to get on the system but once on it, you get an idea of what kind of package the school offers and on top of that, sometimes you can end up getting head hunted. International Schools Review is also really useful so long as you read between the lines in the majority of situations. In most cases the people motivated to pay a small fee and review a school aren't going there to write a glowing review. I always recommend getting a home country qualification if you're looking to make international teaching a long haul thing. I did the TEFL in Thailand for a while, went back and got my Maths Secondary teaching qualification and it really opens up your options a lot, plus generally better packages. Looks like I'll be in Hegezhuang Village in Beijing from August. Anyone know much about the area?
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There's a goon who teaches at a an international school in Beijing and a goon who used to teach near hegezhuang Can't tell you much except that it's a suburban shithole but at least a ride to the city isn't too expensive.
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caberham posted:There's a goon who teaches at a an international school in Beijing and a goon who used to teach near hegezhuang Sounds about my typical experience
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I'll be teaching at a fake international school in Huzhou in the fall. 7th grade math. I intend to use this to get my secondary math endorsement.
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Flying out on Tuesday morning.  A short gate change in DC-Dulles then it's off to Beijing-PEK!
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English summer camp hiring season is right now !.! They're desperate! You can find a temporary position and get paid and get laid. Visa sponsorship is... idk. They usually hire Working Holiday or current teachers on summer break or finishing a contract. Or don't ask don't tell on a tourist visa. My friend just got hired by an English immersion camp thingy. It pays less than her eikaiwa job but offers free dorms and meals, so she'll have more in-pocket.
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peanut posted:English summer camp hiring season is right now !.! They're desperate! You can find a temporary position and get paid and get laid. Visa sponsorship is... idk. They usually hire Working Holiday or current teachers on summer break or finishing a contract. Or don't ask don't tell on a tourist visa. If this is directed towards me, then I already have a teaching job lined up for the summer. Thanks though! 
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Has anyone here worked or works for Maple Leaf Educational Systems? They had some spokes people come around and advertise the schools while giving a talk about them. Looking them up online they don't seem to have a lot of reviews or anything like that. So I was wondering if anyone here had worked for them or knows a bit more about them?
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I'm moving to Beijing in 6 days, gonna work for EF and try and fit in some time at a mando cram school as well. I'm really cheap so I'm thinking of doing global village school, it's something like 4500 RMB/120 lessons and apparently is Chinese drill-style instruction, mostly populated by Russians and Koreans. I figure it could be handy finding a place with less English speakers so I'm not so tempted. Has anyone had experience with this or other 中文 schools in Beijing? The weixin QR code is expired, what's the best way to get in touch with others in BJ or China?
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I interviewed with EF once. Interviewer basically did nothing but lie to me, which seemed like a bad sign. Be ready to bail. Other jobs shouldn't be hard to find.
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tohfu posted:I'm moving to Beijing in 6 days, gonna work for EF and try and fit in some time at a mando cram school as well. Based on recent discussions, peanut should be able to set you up with BJ
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Speaking of Chengdu, I'm flying to Chengdu towards the end of August for a post-bar exam trip and flying out of Hong Kong. Suggestions for things to do in or around Chengdu/Chongqing? I lived in China for about a year and a half seven or eight years ago and have made a few trips back since I left but never made it to Sichuan. Was looking at doing a day trip to the Giant Buddha in Leshan but other than that and the food I'm not really sure what to do while in Sichuan. I looked at going to jiuzhaigou but it seems like it takes a full day to get there. Any idea how feasible it is to do it as a day or two day trip?
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Come say hi to us in Hong Kong, then Chengdu Checklist: - Order spicy hot pot. Argue with waitress until she brings you what you ordered, because yes, you can take spicy - go to the Tibetan quarter. Order everything that has the word "Yak" in it because yak is a great meat, maybe even the best meat. Order butter tea. - see the pandas. There is a bus that looks like a panda that pulls up periodically next to the metro station called Panda Avenue or something. Pink line, iirc. The bus isn't a scam, you get in pay less than 60rmb, that's your ticket included too. They take the money after you're seated. Go early. The pandas are done with their day at 10:30am (lazy bastards) and the crowds descend after 11am. - there's a great bar with excellent beer selection and a fantasticly helpful and amiable barman, called Hugo's or something. Very un-Chinese but also very good. -what the metro can't get you to, a taxi can. They're cheap but don't tend to speak English (unlike Hong Kong), so have your address ready - oh on that note get a real taxi at the airport, the touts as you leave the terminal charge 3 times the price. Airport to a downtown hotel should be in the ballpark of 60rmb. - before you leave Hong Kong buy a prepaid simcard from Sham Shui Po. I'd be happy to take an afternoon with you, I love that place. Add money to the balance if necessary. Use Roaming data to avoid the Great Chinese Firewall. Useful for maps and email and whatsapp and stuff like that, which might otherwise be banned in China. You probably know this all (I admit that I started writing this post after I saw you say Chengdu but before you said you lived there and am too lazy to change it) or have a VPN if you lived there before. - the mountains are a "leave stupidly early, get back stupidly late" daytrip which frankly doesn't sound like fun to me, and while you may well be ok if you try to stay overnight by just turning up, book to avoid disappointment. We ended up not going because it was futher than expected.
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simplefish posted:Come say hi to us in Hong Kong, then Will definitely check-in with the HK crew. Flying SFO - Chengdu (directs to Chengdu, whaaaat?) then Hong Kong back to US. Went to Hong Kong a couple times in 2010 via Shenzhen and took a bus over the border. I'm assuming that's still an option for getting into Hong Kong from the mainland? Buddies are interested in checking out Macau. Anyone have a sense of if that's worth doing?
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Flutieflakes017 posted:Will definitely check-in with the HK crew. Flying SFO - Chengdu (directs to Chengdu, whaaaat?) then Hong Kong back to US. Yo when are your dates. If I can pay pal you money and help me buy a few things that would be super duper trooper good. Macau is good I used to have a house there. Good Portugese and Macanese food and fun to walk around for a day. Lots of good restaurants, not just the Casino affiliates but local food as well. And Casinos of course.
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The direct flight is good, 787s are nice planes. Post closer to the time you get here, if I'm not away on vacation we can get a beers or something.
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Flutieflakes017 posted:Speaking of Chengdu, I'm flying to Chengdu towards the end of August for a post-bar exam trip and flying out of Hong Kong. Suggestions for things to do in or around Chengdu/Chongqing? Jiuzhaigou is doable in 2 days if you fly (you can indeed fly from Chengdu to Jiuzhaigou), but not otherwise. The bus ride is a minimum of 8 hours and often much longer cuz it's weird mountain roads that are prone to delays. The buses are also only during daytime since night time would be crazy on those roads, there are a few but the last one leaves before 10am I think? Might be even earlier?? But yeah if you take the bus it's at least 3~ days because 2 are just getting there and back. Leshan by itself is very doable as a day trip since it's an hour-ish on the train, see the buddha (takes 1-2 hours) and leave. Leshan and Emei is best as like 2 days staying one night in Emei. My advice as always is take the boat around the buddha instead of climbing it. I don't know poo poo about chongqing.
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Instead of Leshan, I would recommend Dujiangyan. It's an ancient old sluice gate and not as crowded as Leshan.
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Macau is pretty drat good, you should check out the old school casinos like lisboa. The atmosphere is a lot different than vegas. http://wizardofmacau.com/games/ The venetian is stupidly big and impressive, but gently caress sheldon adelson.
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Baddog posted:Macau is pretty drat good, you should check out the old school casinos like lisboa. The atmosphere is a lot different than vegas. If you like casinos, probably listen to this guy over others. I'm not a casino fan, but maybe the shows might be good? In any case, Macau clears more money every day than vegas.
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:Goon question: are there internet lounges in China where you can rent time to play video games (eg Overwatch) like in Korea? We actually built two desktops in China in 2014 that, minus some upgrades we've done along the way, are doing fine. If you know your parts, and are willing to spend a few days in Zhongguancun fighting with people, it's doable. BlinkyZero did the majority of the work, but paid a guy in Wudaokou that just builds computers to a) do the soldering and b) confirm that the components we bought weren't actually cancer. (If you want, I can send you his contact info; he was good people and did cheap yet great work). Granted we've been out of the Goblin Camp for a while, so maybe Zhongguancun has devolved into nothing but fake iphone covers.
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Baddog posted:Macau is pretty drat good, you should check out the old school casinos like lisboa. The atmosphere is a lot different than vegas. So that's what fantan is. I always wanted to try but was too intimidated
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Raphisonfire posted:Has anyone here worked or works for Maple Leaf Educational Systems? maple leaf is ok, they have one outside of tianjin. rumours abound but all in all it seems alright. they try to make it foreign but it's still v chinese VideoTapir posted:I interviewed with EF once. Interviewer basically did nothing but lie to me, which seemed like a bad sign. Be ready to bail. Other jobs shouldn't be hard to find. don't bail on EF, unless you wanna end up without a release letter and unable to legally work in china again. other jobs won't be hard to find, but EF isn't giving you your release letter until the end of the year, if at all. it's a company policy and it doesn't matter how long you worked there or how good your work was. so just be prepared for that. EF varies from branch to branch. some EFs in Tianjin are incredible, the staff is great and everyone is super happy and freakin' loves it. other EFs in Tianjin are terrible and turn over every year and everyone hates working there. really gonna depend on who is in your staff. good luck.
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Yeah I always heard the same from EF, it's super branch dependent. In every city I've lived in it seems like this one branch is good to work at and totally fair, but that one is a shitshow that pays salaries late, has weird extra required office hours, and some other shenanigans going on.
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I know I can't recommend one. Been burned twice already. Going in person next week most likely. gently caress. I can tell you that people who process a lot of tourist visas will claim they can do work visas, but they probably have no loving clue what they're doing with the new rules.
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VideoTapir posted:I know I can't recommend one. Been burned twice already. Going in person next week most likely. gently caress. what are you using a visa processing service for with a work visa? don't you just have the letter of invitation and you turn it in to the consulate?
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