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I know it's standard waffling politician speak, but am I the only one who finds May's "we've been very clear on this" really condescending? It's one thing to say "let me be clear" and then avoid the question, but when she says "we've been very clear on this" the implication is that whoever is asking just isn't smart enough to understand a simple answer. It seems like she is so used to saying it to Corbyn during PMQs that she forgot it's not a very good look to deploy against voters. But she said it a lot anyway, even during audience questions, since it's her favourite stalling line.
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TheRat posted:Hell has officially frozen over Cant't orb the Corb
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May 30, 2017 00:27
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Just once I want a politician to start with 'Let me be clear-' and have it immediately interrupted with no, we will not let you be clear, we demand only the most obtuse and incomprehensible responses, we will settle for nothing less
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May 30, 2017 00:30
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Scikar posted:I know it's standard waffling politician speak, but am I the only one who finds May's "we've been very clear on this" really condescending? It's one thing to say "let me be clear" and then avoid the question, but when she says "we've been very clear on this" the implication is that whoever is asking just isn't smart enough to understand a simple answer. It seems like she is so used to saying it to Corbyn during PMQs that she forgot it's not a very good look to deploy against voters. But she said it a lot anyway, even during audience questions, since it's her favourite stalling line. You're not the only one, that's the exact same crap I see when people (in my line of work) are trying to shut down a conversation with a client. The subtext being "I don't want this conversation to continue".
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May 30, 2017 00:30
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Angepain posted:Just once I want a politician to start with 'Let me be clear-' and have it immediately interrupted with no, we will not let you be clear, we demand only the most obtuse and incomprehensible responses, we will settle for nothing less at which point Theresa May will rub her hands and yell "STRONG AND STABLE" for 10 minutes to a standing ovation
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May 30, 2017 00:32
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"Let me be clear" is more annoying to me because it invariably is followed by something meaningless and unclear.
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May 30, 2017 00:32
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https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/869309659156492289
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May 30, 2017 00:33
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Scikar posted:I know it's standard waffling politician speak, but am I the only one who finds May's "we've been very clear on this" really condescending? It's one thing to say "let me be clear" and then avoid the question, but when she says "we've been very clear on this" the implication is that whoever is asking just isn't smart enough to understand a simple answer. It seems like she is so used to saying it to Corbyn during PMQs that she forgot it's not a very good look to deploy against voters. But she said it a lot anyway, even during audience questions, since it's her favourite stalling line. I have this reaction to everything that's extremely obviously focus grouped. Like when Cameron and Osborne were suddenly on TV one evening repeating exactly the same phrases about "unelected lords".
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May 30, 2017 00:33
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Hey guys turns out Dan Hodges is kind of a oval office
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May 30, 2017 00:36
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Im going to troll you on twitter now.
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May 30, 2017 00:37
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Kind of?
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May 30, 2017 00:37
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serious gaylord posted:Im going to troll you on twitter now. Oh no the social media platform I barely use, you monster
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May 30, 2017 00:38
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Namtab posted:Oh no the social media platform I barely use, you monster well you best use it more as I've just followed you. I also have another 12 hour lock because I called Nick Robinson an "arse licking Tory oval office"
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May 30, 2017 00:41
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TheRat posted:I have this reaction to everything that's extremely obviously focus grouped. Like when Cameron and Osborne were suddenly on TV one evening repeating exactly the same phrases about "unelected lords". The process is not about finding good arguments it is about finding the particular set of magic words that will burrow themselves into a half-listening viewer's skull. The end goal of all political campaign management is a ten-second series of guttural sounds that will trigger a complex subconscious mechanism rendering the listener powerless to do anything other than vote for the party at every possible election for the rest of their lives.
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May 30, 2017 00:42
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:well you best use it more as I've just followed you. I also have another 12 hour lock because I called Nick Robinson an "arse licking Tory oval office" I'm going to use it less
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May 30, 2017 00:44
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Namtab posted:I'm going to use it less monster
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Angepain posted:The process is not about finding good arguments it is about finding the particular set of magic words that will burrow themselves into a half-listening viewer's skull. The end goal of all political campaign management is a ten-second series of guttural sounds that will trigger a complex subconscious mechanism rendering the listener powerless to do anything other than vote for the party at every possible election for the rest of their lives. It's like how in Democracy the goal of elections is actually to get as close to being a one-party state as possible while still claiming you're a democracy so you have one up on russia for those arguments. If anyone actually cared about democracy they wouldn't jerrymander.
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May 30, 2017 00:47
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spectralent posted:It's like how in Democracy the goal of elections is actually to get as close to being a one-party state as possible while still claiming you're a democracy so you have one up on russia for those arguments. If anyone actually cared about democracy they wouldn't jerrymander. The idea is to offer people a choice while rigging the system to make the choice as meaningless as possible. Also I just got followed by a Steelers fan, which is unfortunate because the Vikings are the best.
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May 30, 2017 00:51
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Namtab posted:The idea is to offer people a choice while rigging the system to make the choice as meaningless as possible. That's me, and I feel obliged to remind you that if the Vikings apparent future prospect of a QB was a racehorse, he'd be dead already 
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May 30, 2017 00:52
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dan hodges has been wrong about pretty much every major political decision of the last 5 years. no idea why people still humour him as some kind of astute commentator.
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May 30, 2017 00:54
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:That's me, and I feel obliged to remind you that if the Vikings apparent future prospect of a QB was a racehorse, he'd be dead already I knew it was you, because I only know one person who would post in here who would willingly be a Steelers fan
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May 30, 2017 00:55
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:That's me, and I feel obliged to remind you that if the Vikings apparent future prospect of a QB was a racehorse, he'd be dead already Yeah when I was looking for a team to follow I asked for the west ham of the nfl
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May 30, 2017 00:56
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Namtab posted:Yeah when I was looking for a team to follow I asked for the west ham of the nfl I don't know enough about English football to make that connection, so I'll assume West Ham have a reputation for being decent until it matters then choking in hilarious/devastating fashion.
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May 30, 2017 01:05
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thehappyprince posted:dan hodges has been wrong about pretty much every major political decision of the last 5 years. no idea why people still humour him as some kind of astute commentator. the fact that he went from being a new labour spin doctor to working for the mail should tell you all you need to know.
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May 30, 2017 01:06
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Did corbyn use the "Make June the End of May" line on TV?
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May 30, 2017 01:20
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Irony Be My Shield posted:How was he supposed to answer "Why have you made it impossible for me to vote Labour?", exactly 
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May 30, 2017 01:26
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If he used that line himself, tomorrow's Sun would have a headline about Corbyn inciting people to kill the Prime Minister.
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May 30, 2017 01:27
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https://twitter.com/sketchaganda/status/869301407513538567 that loving haircut too
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May 30, 2017 01:34
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thehappyprince posted:https://twitter.com/sketchaganda/status/869301407513538567 Oh dear, I once had someone comment that that style of hair "looked like they were wearing the tip of a penis".
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May 30, 2017 01:36
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It's called the public obscenity cut and it is, in fact, very metal
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May 30, 2017 01:41
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Meanwhile, in Cardiff:
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May 30, 2017 01:43
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corbyn did really well in the thing, should be worth a point or two
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May 30, 2017 02:04
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It's going to be so fun watching the media poo poo a brick if Corbyn wins
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May 30, 2017 03:33
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PISSFLAPS AND YOU reply to pissflaps if you are capable of doing so like a normal person without whining about how much you can't stand pissflaps and his posting if you are not capable of doing this, shut the gently caress up about pissflaps and do whatever it takes to not be bothered with him i am going to start probing all parties in pissflaps-related derails and encourage posters itt to report those who cannot abide by this rule
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May 30, 2017 03:43
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This is bad for Jeremy Corbyn
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May 30, 2017 03:43
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I hear Jezza did alright. Also  a specific 'Flaps rule. Imagine being such a good troll you get a rule made about banning other people for arguing with you. Masterful.
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May 30, 2017 06:11
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Yeah, he's good at what he does alright
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May 30, 2017 06:20
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Noriega's dead. Eager to see the first articles suggesting Corbyn would be worse.
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thehappyprince posted:dan hodges has been wrong about pretty much every major political decision of the last 5 years. no idea why people still humour him as some kind of astute commentator. He's hit that 'fossilisation' phase, where a formerly reasonably astute and open minded journalist freezes their thoughts and opinions at a certain point and becomes utterly unable to develop them any further, becoming increasingly bitter and uncomprehending as the rest of the world gradually moves on from them. Notable examples of this include Dan Hodges, John Rentoul and Nick Cohen.
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