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Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

open24hours posted:

We kept playing sport against them for a long time after that, so it can't have been that uncommon.

It varied a bit. Official cricket tours were stopped for the 70s and 80s, and players who did take part in unofficial tours were banned for several years.

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JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Lid posted:

It wasn't



This is also the age of rugby tours no longer heading to South Africa in protest. Teams that did tour to RSA or accept the Springboks coming to tour were widely admonished.

Australian rugby to it's credit did not participate in anything to do with South Africa while NZ and others persisted with tours until 1985 (I think). On the NZ tour to RSA, the government in South Africa allowed the Maori players to be deemed "honorary whites" so that the games could proceed.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Also you can thank Gough Whitlam for Australia doing the right thing because the polling at the time certainly didn't indicate that everyone was on board with sports being cancelled.

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




Lid posted:

Well some others have done some background checking and found this.

https://twitter.com/mavisgrizzltits/status/868443074480885766

You can defend, albeit weakly, anti-same sex marriage on fundamentalist Christian grounds. You can not defend calling for apartheid to spread because it's so great. How the gently caress has this been overlooked for so long?

Worth mentioning that in 1970, when she said that, by then not only did we all know what Apartheid really was, it was also 2 years after the US passed the Civil Rights Act of 1968 that finally outlawed all of the racial discrimination the Civil Rights movement had been fighting against (and still fights).

So Court is actually favourably comparing Apartheid to the Civil Rights Act.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
She's saying that when South Africa refused entry to Arthur Ashe, who stands out as being the only black player in tennis history to win Wimbledon or the US Open or the Australian Open. So yeah refusing entry to a black man, one of the top players of his time, in her own sport is part of "the racial situation rather better organised". It was indefensible then, it's indefensible now.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe
"Famous sportsperson very lovely opinions shocker"

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

hooman posted:

"Famous sportsperson very lovely opinions shocker"

Why was her opinion given a huge amount of publicity anyway? Cynical or actual answers welcome.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

Outrageous opinions are solid moneymakers for online media.

open24hours fucked around with this message at 04:25 on May 30, 2017

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Why was her opinion given a huge amount of publicity anyway? Cynical or actual answers welcome.

She attacked other tennis players so it was a sport story plus she is one of the two namesakes of Australian Open tennis alongside Rod Laver. She won 24 grand slam singles titles.

The other tennis players responded in kind and it escalated from there. It shoyld be noted Margaret Court has been a known homophobe for decades, and would attack Martina Navritolova as in essence an abomination. Posting about that story seemed redundant which is why i didn't bother.

It's the apartheid stuff that got to me as even in tennis circles Court gets defended as yes we know shes an insane Christian which is why we try to not give her a microphone, but that can be put to age and religion. This stuff was contemporary and clear racism with white supremacy weaved in.

Schlesische
Jul 4, 2012

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Why was her opinion given a huge amount of publicity anyway? Cynical or actual answers welcome.

She's a tennis legend with a history of making sensationalist comments that 90% of people are going to react to.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Yeah no one in the 70's-80's was in any doubt about what apartheid was. TBH the patchy sports responses had a stronger impact on opinion than the foot-dragging by the global community. There was also the music community's response which is fairly lolworthy by today's standards:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlMdYpnVOGQ

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Why was her opinion given a huge amount of publicity anyway? Cynical or actual answers welcome.

Um i think you'll find that she's actually persecuted and silenced by the gay hegemony

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
I like the idea that because some horrible as gently caress thought was common at some point, the people who held it are no longer responsible for it. No, gently caress that, everyone who supported apartheid should be called out as a racist fuckwit.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

Who said that?

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

open24hours posted:

Who said that?

Wasn't really meant to be against you or anything. It's a big thing in history that I dislike, your comment that it was probably a common thought just reminded me of it. Sorry.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Wasn't really meant to be against you or anything. It's a big thing in history that I dislike, your comment that it was probably a common thought just reminded me of it. Sorry.

yeah lovely opinions that are forgiven by "the times" should really only be forgiven once the holder has issued a full retraction with mea culpa and depending on how lovely the opinion was, possibly an apology.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Court seems more likely to be PW Botha than FW de Klerk.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
It's also extremely unfair to everyone who resisted the mainstream thought and fought against it.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
As a side note the reason Court's specific homophobia stands out is that lesbians in tennis have been open, and comparatively common, for decades. Tennis always stood out from other sports by always having the men and women playing at the same time and given the save coverage, and alongside it gave a lot of voice to being inclusionary (specifically on the womens side it must be said, male tennis players who are out are still a huge minority and no one in the top ten let alone top fifty is out - an infamous event from a year ago was player Sergiy Stakhovsky stating that there were no male homoseuxals in tennis but half of the women were so he wouldn't let his daughter play tennis).

Previously mentioned legends Martina Navritolova, Billie Jean King and conemporaries Samantha Stosur, Casey Dellacqua are all prominent LGBT tennis players and its widely seen that women in tennis are very LGBT inclusive. So Court not only being homophobic, but an outspoken homophobe in a sport that was pioneering in LGBT acceptance stands out as being "the gently caress?

Paingod556
Nov 8, 2011

Not a problem, sir

Lid posted:

Court seems more likely to be PW Botha than FW de Klerk.

"We need to come together and focus on whats really important.
"Ending apartheid?"
"Rugby tours."

https://youtu.be/KhKErCF2mJE

Bogan King
Jan 21, 2013

I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

The Age posted:

Guard jailed for kissing asylum seeker at detention centre

A former security guard is serving a one-month jail sentence for kissing an asylum seeker at a Melbourne immigration detention centre.

Theivigan Panchalingham, 37, was previously a Serco guard at the Melbourne Immigration Transit Accommodation Centre in Broadmeadows.

Panchalingham, a refugee, is understood to have called the asylum seeker into his office at the detention centre between July and August, 2015. The woman complied and closed the door as she entered.

He offered her some food and tapped his thigh, in what she believed to be a gesture to sit on his lap.

She asked if she could leave the room. He helped her to open the door and kissed her on the cheek as she left.

Magistrate Meaghan Keogh earlier this month found the man guilty of one count of sexual assault for the kiss.

Ms Keogh said that while the assault was not the "most extreme", the woman was not free to leave detention or complain, making her "the most vulnerable type of victim".

"Because those people rely on you to ensure their safety it does make this offending behaviour a breach of trust of the most serious type," she said.

She also questioned Serco's failure to intervene after the guard sexually assaulted a fellow guard a year earlier, which she said could have prevented the more recent assault.

The asylum seeker told the court in a victim impact statement that she became afraid of most of the guards after the assault. She stayed in her room most of the time, sleeping only two to three hours each night.

"It has made me feel very unsafe and that rules and laws in Australia can't protect me. I feel I have no power, I have nothing to support myself, no one can make me feel safer," she said.

The woman, who has been living in the community since December, said she still had nightmares and was afraid of anyone who resembled Panchalingham.

Ms Keogh also said that Serco guards sent a clear message to detainees about what was acceptable in Australia through their actions, and he had undermined the woman's respect for the law.

She told Panchalingham that detainees were "fleeing all sorts of situations in their home countries and they're coming to another country where they hope they'll be allowed to live freely and with the protection of the law and that is something that you yourself have experienced," she said.

In the earlier 2014 incident, he kissed a colleague who was his junior on the mouth when they were en route to a Melbourne hospital for work, the Broadmeadows Magistrates Court heard.

His colleague yelled at him and later told her manager what happened but asked him not to make an official report, thinking that her yelling at the guard would prevent future attacks.

Ms Keogh said that Serco may have lost an opportunity to deal with the man's behaviour early on.

He pleaded guilty to one count of indecent assault in relation to this incident, for which Ms Keogh sentenced him to an 18-month community corrections order.

The order, which is to be served after his prison term, includes 200 hours' community service and participation in a sex offender program.

Defence counsel Shaun Pascoe told the court that the Tamil man was previously a journalist for a number of Tamil newspapers in Sri Lanka during the country's civil war, where he witnessed a bombing and other violence.

He said he came to Australia to study business administration at La Trobe University and later obtained a humanitarian visa to stay in Australia because he feared that his anti-government stance would put his safety at risk if he returned to Sri Lanka.

Mr Pascoe said his client had already lost his job at Serco and significant standing in the local Tamil community as a result of the allegations.

He unsuccessfully argued that he should receive a community corrections order without conviction for both his crimes.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Paingod556 posted:

"We need to come together and focus on whats really important.
"Ending apartheid?"
"Rugby tours."

https://youtu.be/KhKErCF2mJE

de Klerk at least said sorry and did lead to the end of minority rule, Botha went to the grave essentially saying apartheid would've worked if they just shot more black people which lead to the most correctly vitriolic obituary in history.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2006/nov/02/guardianobituaries.southafrica

Bogan King
Jan 21, 2013

I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.
https://twitter.com/joshgnosis/status/869394845948715011

iPads don't have a USB port

Bogan King
Jan 21, 2013

I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

Herald Sun posted:

Twelve Australian Tax Office officials sacked over access to private info, tax boss reveals

TWELVE Australian Tax Office staff have been fired for unauthorised access to members of the publics’ tax information, while another three are being investigated over the Plutus payroll scandal.

Senior tax office officials revealed at a Senate estimates hearing in Canberra today that up to 30 staff had been found to have accessed members of the public’s private data — including celebrities — so far this year.

Twelve of those staff had been sacked while the remainder had faced lesser penalties.

Nothing much else in the article, just faff about the fraud bust.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Capitalism?

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004


They do have adapters to read SD/USB sticks though.

or those stupid WiFi enabled disks work too.

Bogan King
Jan 21, 2013

I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

Laserface posted:

They do have adapters to read SD/USB sticks though.

or those stupid WiFi enabled disks work too.

It's the IT department scrambling to make that work though not the decision maker who announced it realising what the situation would be before announcing it.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Bogan King posted:

It's the IT department scrambling to make that work though not the decision maker who announced it realising what the situation would be before announcing it.

You say that like IT is never scrambling to make someones idea with no experience/knowldedge work how they said it would.

Bogan King
Jan 21, 2013

I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.

Laserface posted:

You say that like IT is never scrambling to make someones idea with no experience/knowldedge work how they said it would.

The fact that it is made to work by the unsung heroes of the computer world is not the point though. It's just that a dumb idea was doubled down on by idiots.

---------------------------------------------

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

:popeye:

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




YouPorn, not Youtube

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005


If a cream pie is thrown and nobody is watching, does it make an impact?

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
The ABC is robbing commercial media of revenue by spending taxpayer dollars on Google and partnering with Netflix, the chief executive of Fairfax Media, Greg Hywood, has told parliament.

Hywood stepped up his campaign against the ABC using the search engine Google to promote its content and called on the government to take action against the national broadcaster “undercutting the competitiveness” of the Sydney Morning Herald and the Age.

Bogan King
Jan 21, 2013

I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.
Just in case you thought Australia wasn't run by scum [ABC]

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Lid posted:

The ABC is robbing commercial media of revenue by spending taxpayer dollars on Google and partnering with Netflix, the chief executive of Fairfax Media, Greg Hywood, has told parliament.

Hywood stepped up his campaign against the ABC using the search engine Google to promote its content and called on the government to take action against the national broadcaster “undercutting the competitiveness” of the Sydney Morning Herald and the Age.

Has absolutely no loving care what his journalists have been saying for the last ten years about news media and is throwing a dying fit. You destroyed private media now go gently caress off and let a decent, funded service people like take over.

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

quote:

There are further signs of heat coming out of the east coast housing market, with Sydney and Melbourne leading a 1.1 per cent fall in property prices across Australia's five largest cities this month.
Low interest rates are fueling a high demand for housing despite tighter lending rules, says St. George Bank Senior Economist Janu Chan.
In a preview of its monthly home value index, CoreLogic said the 1.1 per cent fall indicated a negative month-on-month result for May.

"Which of course means it would be a great time for first home buyers to enter the market" - an increasingly nervous Domain reporter for the 18th time this week

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

gay picnic defence posted:

"Which of course means it would be a great time for first home buyers to enter the market" - an increasingly nervous Domain reporter for the 18th time this week

On that topic!

https://www.domain.com.au/advice/how-to-build-a-property-portfolio-from-scratch-20170302-guoucy/

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

It's missing the 'beneficiary', the 'my dad got me a job at his mate's law firm' and the 'I'm $5.6 million in debt and am completely and utterly hosed unless prices keep going up'

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://twitter.com/workmanalice/status/869461379614253056

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DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Jobson Growth is a childless bachelor/spinster.

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