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I mostly take issue with it because the last 20 minutes of the movie is a "this is the final boss so Wonder Woman can do these things now." moment where she might as well have gone super saiyan but without the hair. Steve Trevor is krillin in this analogy
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I remember seeing her doing that in the trailer when she's training with the other amazons, which I assume happens early on.
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Ghosthotel posted:Speaking of Ludendorff I'm guessing it's akin to super soldier serum but Doctor Poison doesn't know fully how it works since Ares is the one whispering the recipes and junk. What's the deal with Ares chucking lightning? Something else weird is the timeline. Is Diana actually thousands of years old? Cause if she is Zeus's daughter and Zeus died pretty early on, it only makes sense that she's up there in age.
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Seems like the opinions from some reviews on the finale and indeed Wonder Woman herself, are really missing the point of its relationship with BvS.
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Avalerion posted:I remember seeing her doing that in the trailer when she's training with the other amazons, which I assume happens early on. This does happen and it's treated as this kind of "how did she do that?!" Moment. The answer ends up being because she did it in BvS so she's gotta do it in the big finale too.
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brawleh posted:Seems like the opinions from some reviews on the finale and indeed Wonder Woman herself, are really missing the point of its relationship with BvS. Well I don't think you should have to see one movie to understand the other. That's just my opinion. I know people love the interconnectedness of this stuff but I read comics in the 80s and saw the Dawn of the Cross-Over in realtime. Not a big fan.
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It's not so much the interconnectedness or whatever - you don't need to see BvS but it seems to be coming up in these reviews. Haven't seen it mind, but it's basically going to be a fish out of water story against the backdrop of WWI - it's a loss of innocence tale set in the first industrialised war that was a pointless and horrific waste of life, it's biting satire. Where a young Wonder Woman goes to war believing she can defeat War itself, that apparently manifests as some sort of golem - the parallels with BvS are obvious enough, with very different conclusions and also explains why Diana is a more aloof figure in that movie.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Well I don't think you should have to see one movie to understand the other. That's just my opinion. I know people love the interconnectedness of this stuff but I read comics in the 80s and saw the Dawn of the Cross-Over in realtime. Not a big fan. I don't think he's saying that. Probably more exploration of themes and characters than a continuation of story.
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brawleh posted:It's not so much the interconnectedness or whatever - you don't need to see BvS but it seems to be coming up in these reviews. Haven't seen it mind, but it's basically going to be a fish out of water story against the backdrop of WWI - it's a loss of innocence tale set in the first industrialised war that was a pointless and horrific waste of life, it's biting satire. I dunno dude you should probably watch the movie first before saying the reviews are missing the point but idk I haven't seen it either so
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You absolutely don't need to see BvS to get Wonder Woman (but there are some references to BvS and she gets a letter from Bruce Wayne). Anyone saying that you NEED to have seen BvS is wrong. However, the movie does a really terrible job of the "loss of innocence" and "walking away from the world of man" themes. If the reviewers are talking about that, then they're right. That whole theme is really really neutered because they were trying to make an ending that jived with BvS and simultaneously wrapped everything up so they could time skip back to the present. Spoiler: Turns out that Ares started WWI, so Man was actually not as evil as she thought. But her boyfriend died in an act of heroism and she become too emotional to continue being in that world without him in it. It's still a pretty good movie, but there are some really weak characterization/plot issues that arise from needing to transition cleanly from Wonder Woman to Justice League. They also completely waste the setting. I don't really care about the WWI aspect of it, so it didn't really bother me. But if you were hoping for a very realistic or period-heavy (lol) Wonder Woman movie, then you will be disappointed. They could have set the movie during the Vietnam War and had to change almost nothing. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 18:35 on May 30, 2017 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:However, the movie does a really terrible job of the "loss of innocence" and "walking away from the world of man" themes. If the reviewers are talking about that, then they're right. Right, this is specifically what i'm talking about, more what i've read on it and not yet the movie itself - also this idea that it's doing a terrible job about the loss of innocence. Not so much that someone would think that, but why would you think that - the presentation is likely a satirical point. Again it's set in WWI which also lead to the conditions that gave rise to fascism in Europe and the further horrors therein, the historical context of using WWI can't be dismissed. Diana's regression from the world is an act of uncertainty and in BvS this theme is writ large. She is utterly fearless but getting directly involved in WWI by going to war undoubtedly left her unsure. Watching Wonder Woman isn't necessary to understand this, we already know it and on this point BvS is important along with Clark's sacrifice out of love.
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There is simply no way this film deserves a 97% RT score. Something is fishy.
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RedSpider posted:There is simply no way this film deserves a 97% RT score. Something is fishy. that's Aquaman you're thinking of.
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RedSpider posted:There is simply no way this film deserves a 97% RT score. Something is fishy. RT Score is not a value score. A movie that 97% of critics gave a C will receive the same RT score as a movie that 97% of critics gave an A+. WW is definitely not a 97/100 movie, but I can see most people giving it a 6.5 or 7 out of 10. (There is also probably some reluctance to trash it given the nature of its spot as the first major female-led Superhero movie of this generation.) It's not a bad movie, though. Not a great movie either, but definitely not horrible. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 19:57 on May 30, 2017 |
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May 30, 2017 19:53
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New ghostbusters got a 91.
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quote:I cared a lot about it never being an R-rating. And I totally support the movies that do have an R-rating, but in this case I was very aware that little girls were going to want to see the film, and I was very protective of that. So it had to not be rated R to me. I would have been happy to go for PG, but it’s World War I, so we couldn’t. 
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RedSpider posted:There is simply no way this film deserves a 97% RT score. Something is fishy. Avengers has a 93 or something lmao do you really think this is a conspiracy
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Semper Fudge posted:Avengers has a 93 or something lmao do you really think this is a conspiracy You're arguing as if people like that care if the film has merit or not.
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Are there any reviews up from non comic book fans/wonder woman fans?
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Are there any reviews up from non comic book fans/wonder woman fans? Yes. Go check Rotten Tomatoes.
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Is Chris Pine the only member of her team to die or does everyone in "the photo" bite it as well? (besides WW of course)
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MacheteZombie posted:Is Chris Pine the only member of her team to die or does everyone in "the photo" bite it as well? (besides WW of course) Kind of a spoiler for people who haven't seen it yet. But Pine is the only major character that does it.
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RedSpider posted:There is simply no way this film deserves a 97% RT score. Something is fishy. Maybe the movie is... good?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Kind of a spoiler for people who haven't seen it yet. Yeah sorry meant to spoiler that. Edited in the spoiler tag. Was hoping for the other option.
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Fresh seems about right, not a particular great movie but good and fun to see once. I wasn't planning on catching it in theaters but from what everyone's said it's not like there's anything super awful about it, 97% seems fine. I remember that weird petition from people that wanted Rotten Tomatoes to shut down because BvS not having a "high enough" rating on it or whatever as if RT personally reviews and rates the films. It was crazy to see how many people take Rotten Tomatoes very very very seriously without actually knowing how it works.
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Neo Rasa posted:Fresh seems about right, not a particular great movie but good and fun to see once. That is how I would rate it. I think that it definitely benefits from seeing it in theaters and probably won't be an especially great Blu-Ray watch. Kind of like Avatar, there are aspects of the sound design and (semi-gratuitous) slow-mo visuals that really work better on the big screen. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 20:43 on May 30, 2017 |
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Echoing the sentiment here. I have problems with the movie but I don't regret seeing it. Honestly my main concern is that the movie is aggressively average and feel like it's gonna be the template going forward after Justice League.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Maybe the movie is... good? I've not seen it yet but a high RT generally means inoffensive, rather than good. It's a terrible measure for quality.
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Neo Rasa posted:Fresh seems about right, not a particular great movie but good and fun to see once. I wasn't planning on catching it in theaters but from what everyone's said it's not like there's anything super awful about it, 97% seems fine. If anything it's crazier to take it seriously if you do know how it works
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RedSpider posted:There is simply no way this film deserves a 97% RT score. Something is fishy. Why?
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All these positive reviews! My hopes and dreams are coming true  Can't wait to see this next week.[edit] 
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teagone posted:All these positive reviews! My hopes and dreams are coming true So many skulls... Did Snyder draw this?
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People that have seen the movie: Are there any actual devices/machines/mythical beasts in the regular army battles that Wonder Woman has to stop that said army dudes can't handle or does she just effortlessly destroy everything up until facing off against Ares? Wonder Woman smiling while she fought Doomsday in BvS was great and if some similar thing doesn't happen at some point I'm going to be disappointed.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:People that have seen the movie: Are there any actual devices/machines/mythical beasts in the regular army battles that Wonder Woman has to stop that said army dudes can't handle or does she just effortlessly destroy everything up until facing off against Ares? No. The closest thing is: The German general gets a pill that "reverts him to his previous strength" and apparently he was a super-soldier as a young man? It is not really clearly explained why he is insanely strong or why they didn't just say that it would give him super strength. They also have magic mustard gas.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:No. This gets dumber the more you think about it. They spent who knows how long trying to perfect that magic mustard gas when they had a working super soldier serum the whole time
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Did they change World War 2 to 1 to appease the nazi demographic?
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Bar Crow posted:Did they change World War 2 to 1 to appease the nazi demographic? I'm thinking it was so it wouldn't be compared to Captain America, I could be wrong but that was my guess.
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Tenzarin posted:New ghostbusters got a 91. maybe you should check again, because it's sitting at 73 on Rotten Tomatoes as of literally 30 seconds ago (and 60 from Top Critics, which really should be the primary measure because any jackass can get on RT, but top critics are generally trustworthy)
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Drifter posted:Unless I'm misreading, this is pretty loving waffley. Bill Clinton levels. That review is such a joke. Wonder Woman inspires, thus the different tone and influence from Donner's Superman... But Superman apparently doesn't, thus the realistic tone of Man of Steel! You see, it is about the intrinsic nature of the character as inspirational! "On character terms, Diana stands apart from the previous DCEU heroes by simply being not human..." Judakel fucked around with this message at 22:59 on May 30, 2017 |
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