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Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.
Well, for starters, don't use Skype, Skype is a piece of poo poo. Discord has voice and persistent text from session to session and isn't awful.

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Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

Well, for starters, don't use Skype, Skype is a piece of poo poo. Discord has voice and persistent text from session to session and isn't awful.

Yeah Discord works wonders. Also like just look at recruiting threads and steal from them d00d

Yawgmoth
Sep 10, 2003

This post is cursed!

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

Well, for starters, don't use Skype, Skype is a piece of poo poo. Discord has voice and persistent text from session to session and isn't awful.
Every time I've tried to use discord's voice it has poo poo the bed on me about 5 times an hour. Skype has persistent text too and doesn't poo poo out on me so maybe your problems aren't skype's fault?

Discord's fine for text chatting but I'd rather slam my dick in a screen door than try to use its voice channels.

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!
Skype is rear end

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Yawgmoth posted:

Every time I've tried to use discord's voice it has poo poo the bed on me about 5 times an hour. Skype has persistent text too and doesn't poo poo out on me so maybe your problems aren't skype's fault?

Discord's fine for text chatting but I'd rather slam my dick in a screen door than try to use its voice channels.

I've never had the slightest problem with Discord voice, but more importantly, Skype has been riddled with security vulnerabilities since its launch up to the current day.

FastestGunAlive
Apr 7, 2010

Dancing palm tree.

Lichtenstein posted:

Spellbound Kingdoms or 7th Sea 2nd Edition?

Who shall reign supreme in the swashbuckler genre?

Both are cool and fun and different enough from each other and if we can have infinite fantasy heartbreakers there is room for two swashbuckling games in this hobby

rkajdi
Sep 11, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Covok posted:

Good riddance to bad rubbish, if you ask me.

Who's going to replace them on the low end of the used market? Amazon isn't great at the sub-$15 used market, and that's often where you've needed to pick up stuff before it becomes some overpriced $70 "rare classic" that still gets the people actually worth paying (the devs) a big $0.

Mr. Tambo
Feb 7, 2015
Ebay?

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


eBay has always been terrible for middle to low end games.

occamsnailfile
Nov 4, 2007



zamtrios so lonely
Grimey Drawer
What do you mean by middle to low end? I've had good luck with ebay in the past, though my most recent experience was on the selling end and whoo boy what people will pay for old PSX and Saturn games, it's nuts.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

Lichtenstein posted:

Spellbound Kingdoms or 7th Sea 2nd Edition?

Who shall reign supreme in the swashbuckler genre?

7th Sea is one of my gaming loves, but 2e has some serious mechanical issues with Swordsmen being flatly exponentially better at fighting than entire parties of characters while still coming down solely.to who had the most raises for actions when fighting each other.

Your options for dealing with a Swordsman are basically 'bring a faster swordsman' or two brace of pistols and just gun him down.

rkajdi
Sep 11, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

occamsnailfile posted:

What do you mean by middle to low end? I've had good luck with ebay in the past, though my most recent experience was on the selling end and whoo boy what people will pay for old PSX and Saturn games, it's nuts.

Sub $15. It's a place where ebay sucks, since shipping add a huge markup to each game. Just going to the GameStop and leafing through the value bin can get you a few very interesting game in my experience. It;s how I got about two-thirds of my RPGs back in the PS2 era. I thought if I bought $50 worth of used games (usually 3-4) and at least one panned out I was on par, and two had you way ahead of buying new.

Of course with digital gaming nothing has any permanence, meaning that there won't be as much of a retro movement for the current consoles in ten years, and the generation after this one will be completely dead. Which is fine if you only want to play the newest stuff, but it's sad to lose that history for no real reason.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Yeah anything in the under $20 market shipping is a stupid ratio of the final price. Above that's the like new games where you usually pay 40-50, games don't spend much time in between those price points. Then of course you've got your price gouging on things where eventually they go over original retail price.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Jimbozig
Sep 30, 2003

I like sharing and ice cream and animals.

occamsnailfile posted:

What do you mean by middle to low end? I've had good luck with ebay in the past, though my most recent experience was on the selling end and whoo boy what people will pay for old PSX and Saturn games, it's nuts.

I just looked on Ebay and apparently the going price for Mario Sunshine and F-zero GX are $40, smash bros melee and Paper Mario TYD are $55... Time to sell all my old gamecube games! I'm gonna make a couple hundred bucks to spend on cardboard!

Alien Rope Burn
Dec 5, 2004

I wanna be a saikyo HERO!
Yeah, I saw Sunshine had jumped, not in a rush to sell my copy, tho.

Glad I picked up Nier and Drakengard 3 when I did, prices are jumping for those thanks to Automata.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


Alien Rope Burn posted:

Yeah, I saw Sunshine had jumped, not in a rush to sell my copy, tho.

Glad I picked up Nier and Drakengard 3 when I did, prices are jumping for those thanks to Automata.

Weird they actually are. I'm pretty sure I paid like $15 for Nier at GameStop years ago and they're​ usually pretty bad at jumping prices when they should. When Devil Summoner 1 was selling for $100+ on eBay I walked into my local GameStop and asked "hey there's a GameStop in Virginia with this game for $15 can you order it from there?" they placed a phonecall and I got the game, case and manual for $15.

Alien Rope Burn
Dec 5, 2004

I wanna be a saikyo HERO!
Yeah, when I bought it at Gamestop the teller was basically like "Wait, why the hell is Nier $25?!" and me going, "Yeah, that's the cheapest I could find right now." It was just such a $10 bargain binner for so long. The real problem with Gamestop's failures is just having the physical videogame shrink even more than it already has - given they swallowed up EB and other stores - meaning there'll be less and less competition when prices jump like that, and one fewer big resource when games become hard to find.

Gamestop is an awful company but it's certainly not a net good for the consumer to have it implode, it means the market mostly shifts over to online marketplace sellers and physical specialty shops, which isn't great when seeking out games that don't exist digitally... or only exist digitally through piracy.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Len posted:

Weird they actually are. I'm pretty sure I paid like $15 for Nier at GameStop years ago and they're​ usually pretty bad at jumping prices when they should. When Devil Summoner 1 was selling for $100+ on eBay I walked into my local GameStop and asked "hey there's a GameStop in Virginia with this game for $15 can you order it from there?" they placed a phonecall and I got the game, case and manual for $15.

Please do not remind me there is no Raidou Kuzunoha 3. Turns out I will play games that have questionable political views if I get to be an old timey detective.

occamsnailfile
Nov 4, 2007



zamtrios so lonely
Grimey Drawer

Alien Rope Burn posted:

Yeah, when I bought it at Gamestop the teller was basically like "Wait, why the hell is Nier $25?!" and me going, "Yeah, that's the cheapest I could find right now." It was just such a $10 bargain binner for so long. The real problem with Gamestop's failures is just having the physical videogame shrink even more than it already has - given they swallowed up EB and other stores - meaning there'll be less and less competition when prices jump like that, and one fewer big resource when games become hard to find.

Gamestop is an awful company but it's certainly not a net good for the consumer to have it implode, it means the market mostly shifts over to online marketplace sellers and physical specialty shops, which isn't great when seeking out games that don't exist digitally... or only exist digitally through piracy.

Yeah, I'm lucky enough to live in a city with multiple small used game trade-in stores and I still dislike Gamestop's primacy. Monopoly is the natural endpoint of unchecked capitalism and all and I guess there isn't much antitrust concern about vidyagames.

I cast the same kind of worried gaze towards Barnes and Noble--for a long time they didn't have a lot of fiction I was interested in, and their non-new sections are still really hit-and-miss for the stuff I want. Basically if it didn't come out in the last six months I'm better off ordering online...which makes B&N less competitive...which eases them further down the death spiral. These days you can't even find a little book chain in a lot of malls...or even all that many malls. Not sure if losing those is for the best or not, versus those extended outdoor shopping plazas where people drive rather than walk from store to store.

But that brings us back around to trying to sell boardgames and RPGs at a profit, and how nobody seems to be able to do it. :argh:

Siivola
Dec 23, 2012

FFG seems to be doing swimmingly. Turns out nerds will gladly pay twice if you leave pieces out of the game box.

The sad thing I just realized is, that's probably how they make ends meet.

S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

Siivola posted:

FFG seems to be doing swimmingly. Turns out nerds will gladly pay twice if you leave pieces out of the game box.

The sad thing I just realized is, that's probably how they make ends meet.

That's not fair. They put a lot of effort into making sure they don't pay a lot of their designers well, and over working a lot of their staff!

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Oct 5, 2010

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Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

It's depressing to think that there are still GMs out there who'd make people roll for simple tasks where failure wouldn't have any immediate consequence.

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.

Evil Mastermind posted:

It's depressing to think that there are still GMs out there who'd make people roll for simple tasks where failure wouldn't have any immediate consequence.

Simulationists (and I know that term has been ridden down quite extensively since it was used, but I really feel it's valid) are RPG poison and most likely to do this in my experience.

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

I still remember being in a Numenera one-shot a few Free RPG Days ago, where the GM made us make a bunch of rolls to climb up the side of a building when we weren't in any sort of hurry and there wasn't any more consequence of failure than having to roll again.

It's the simulationists, sure, but it's also the people who think narrating their characters failing simple tasks in "wacky" ways is hilarious.

Garl_Grimm
Apr 13, 2005
I like when players lean into their failed dice rolls as another chance to roleplay. Of course the "wacky" dude at the table is a pain no matter what he's doing; he's "that guy".

S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

Any of you guys ever tried out the Infinity RPG?

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
I know a lot of people here dislike AMP, but how do people think about Ninja Crusade, specifically 2nd edition? I feel the move to d10s, the use of compels and fate points, and a few other things make it seem interesting.

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

Evil Mastermind posted:

I still remember being in a Numenera one-shot a few Free RPG Days ago, where the GM made us make a bunch of rolls to climb up the side of a building when we weren't in any sort of hurry and there wasn't any more consequence of failure than having to roll again.

It's the simulationists, sure, but it's also the people who think narrating their characters failing simple tasks in "wacky" ways is hilarious.

Numenera in its own way incentivizes adversarial GMs to try to sneak in extra rolls to trigger "free" Intrusions, too

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Evil Mastermind posted:

it's also the people who think narrating their characters failing simple tasks in "wacky" ways is hilarious.

Those people should be playing Panty Explosion. They'd be happiest there. Or wait, whatever the guy relented and changed the name to.

Evil Mastermind
Apr 28, 2008

I've talked about that one-shot here before, and it really was the perfect storm of universally bad GMing. Like, even if it wasn't Numenera it still would have been poo poo because the GM didn't explain the setting at all, didn't notice that I was bored out of my mind because I was the fighty guy who did nothing good but fight and didn't have anything to fight for like two hours, had us roll for everything, and spent over half the game focusing scenes on her boyfriend instead of giving the rest of us a loving scene.

e: These were the people who said that Numenera's character links were better than Fate's aspects because "they tell you how your characters know each other" and I think I've bitten my tongue that hard in a long, long time.

Elfgames
Sep 11, 2011

Fun Shoe

theironjef posted:

Those people should be playing Panty Explosion. They'd be happiest there. Or wait, whatever the guy relented and changed the name to.

tokyo brain pop

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

theironjef posted:

Those people should be playing Panty Explosion. They'd be happiest there. Or wait, whatever the guy relented and changed the name to.

To be fair, Panty Explosion sounds like a bad name for a squirting porno, not a tabletop roleplaying game.

Evil Mastermind posted:

I've talked about that one-shot here before, and it really was the perfect storm of universally bad GMing. Like, even if it wasn't Numenera it still would have been poo poo because the GM didn't explain the setting at all, didn't notice that I was bored out of my mind because I was the fighty guy who did nothing good but fight and didn't have anything to fight for like two hours, had us roll for everything, and spent over half the game focusing scenes on her boyfriend instead of giving the rest of us a loving scene.

e: These were the people who said that Numenera's character links were better than Fate's aspects because "they tell you how your characters know each other" and I think I've bitten my tongue that hard in a long, long time.

I somehow feel these guys also loved 3.5 because it allowed you to "write a story with your classes. Like, first I was fighter, but then I found religion and became a Paladin. But, then, I realized atheism was good after going to college and became a thief because nothing matters, right?"

Cassa
Jan 29, 2009
So this looks amazing

But how does it play?

DalaranJ
Apr 15, 2008

Yosuke will now die for you.

Evil Mastermind posted:

It's depressing to think that there are still GMs out there who'd make people roll for simple tasks where failure wouldn't have any immediate consequence.

As someone who learned to play with 3rd edition D&D, it did not teach GMing very well at all. It took me over a decade to become competent.

Tendales
Mar 9, 2012

Evil Mastermind posted:

It's depressing to think that there are still GMs out there who'd make people roll for simple tasks where failure wouldn't have any immediate consequence.

Is that better or worse than players that insist on being allowed to roll for mundane tasks, even when the DM has told them that it just doesn't matter?

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Cassa posted:

So this looks amazing

But how does it play?

they say they're using their Conan system for it, so I expect it to play as smooth as that, with a heavy focus on cinematic, active, moments and a pretty solid background gen system. I'm pretty eager to see it myself, I'd kill for a good Trek RPG.

long-ass nips Diane
Dec 13, 2010

Breathe.

The Modiphius 2d20 system is fine. It's nothing amazing but it works well in Mutant Chronicles. I might get that box assuming it doesn't cost like 200 bucks, which it probably will.

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S.J.
May 19, 2008

Just who the hell do you think we are?

Well I guess that's a roundabout way of finding out if the Infinity RPG is worth looking at :v:

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