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Solkanar512 posted:In the last several pages there were folks who believed that anyone who wanted decent wages to be maintained for police were a traitor to the cause, RuanGacho in particular was poo poo on for trying to talk about community policing where he works. Got it, you think pointing out the atrocities of cops is being poo poo on? Nobody poo poo on RuanGacho, they were responding to his questions and explaining the situation. Solkanar512 posted:Then we had others who screamed about meltdowns when I pointed out the Sawant was an imperfect actor and advocated that unionized blue color labor needs to revolt against their employers and armed guards and unionized white color labor should be left to the wolves. We get it, lots of you think Everett is a complete shithole filled with rednecks and 4x4 trucks but maybe if you got to know a few of these folks you'd realize it's a lot more diverse than it first appears and you could gain a whole lot of needed support. Have you considered that you're wrong about Sawant? Maybe she doesn't know exactly how to deal with the situation at Boeing but the sentiment of workers taking production into their own hands seems perfectly fine to me. The alternative is more of what's happening right now, the dissolution of unions and movement of skilled jobs to areas that are less impacted by workers rights. But hey, I wouldn't want you to take this as an ATTACK, because that's surely the real problem. Solkanar512 posted:I mean come on, we're all leftists here. Not everyone is going to be living in downtown Seattle or Portland, but that doesn't mean they don't hold leftist views. Maybe we're not "all leftists here", because your point of view is not shared by all, certainly not if you look at the voting record in the "leftist" areas you think are being excluded. You are arguing for the status quo, pretending like we'll achieve our goals by just holding out a little longer is bullshit.
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Eggnogium posted:Is this thread always like this? No, usually its page after page of liberal collaborators. The last few pages have been good as hell.
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Peachfart posted:Oh, is this the part of the thread where we purity test everyone and leftism further shrinks into irrelevance? Neat.
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anthonypants posted:gently caress em up, Seattle. 1000000000000%
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anthonypants posted:http://www.seattleweekly.com/news/portland-anti-muslim-rally-moved-to-seattle/ CAIR (council on American Islamic Relations) and MAPS (Muslim Association of Puget Sound) held an organizing meeting yesterday, which I attended as a rep of the ISO. Among others, representatives of the IWW's GDC were present, being specifically invited because these groups, which represent the interests of the targets of this action, do not want the escalation of violence for tactical (the Muslim groups who are going to be present and speaking can and will be painted in the same strokes as black bloc) and ideological reasons. I am not personally opposed to violence as a political tool, but I think their request should be given precedence. That being said, I am doing everything I can to mobilize masses to this action, and I encourage everyone in this thread to do so. Mr. Lobe fucked around with this message at 23:58 on May 31, 2017 |
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Incidentally, this is the event page for the coalition action they are building: https://m.facebook.com/events/401415030252081 Please consider their requests.
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coyo7e posted:Seriously, just get the gently caress out of Oregon. We need less edgelords and exchange students with corgis, anyway Oregon drools, Washington rules. Also every assumption in your post is wrong, which is impressive.
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Peachfart posted:Oregon drools, Washington rules. Feachpart
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Mr. Lobe posted:That being said, I am doing everything I can to mobilize masses to this action, and I encourage everyone in this thread to do so. I'll try to be there.
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Peachfart posted:Oregon drools, Washington rules. A peacefart post I... agree with????
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GodFish posted:A peacefart post I... agree with???? 
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Solkanar512 posted:Come on, the last few pages have been nothing more than a giant, circular firing squad. We have people seriously talking about full blown revolution while making GBS threads on those who are actually in the government actively working to make things better. quote:Why are folks so concerned about trying to score rhetorical points and verbally burn people who likely agree on 99% of poo poo to begin with? What does that loving accomplish?
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ElCondemn posted:Got it, you think pointing out the atrocities of cops is being poo poo on? Nobody poo poo on RuanGacho, they were responding to his questions and explaining the situation. No, dipshit. I'm recognizing that cutting police wages to federal minimums won't stop them from murdering people of color. Several people poo poo all over RuanGacho because he dared to claim that he was making things better. Putting words into my mouth and engaging in strawman fallacies is exactly the sort of circular firing squad I'm talking about here. quote:Have you considered that you're wrong about Sawant? Maybe she doesn't know exactly how to deal with the situation at Boeing but the sentiment of workers taking production into their own hands seems perfectly fine to me. The alternative is more of what's happening right now, the dissolution of unions and movement of skilled jobs to areas that are less impacted by workers rights. But hey, I wouldn't want you to take this as an ATTACK, because that's surely the real problem. All she loving had to do is talk to one of us. But no, she couldn't bother to even do that before using us as props. She couldn't be bothered to meet members of the largest unions in the PNW. By the way, there are plenty of other alternatives but folks like you aren't willing to discuss them and just want to chase off those who do. And how many times are you and others going to say "take the means of production" without telling us how? "Just rise up and take the means of production!" I already told you that the guards are armed, and that we can't just keep producing planes that the FAA will certify on our own. You think this is some trivial exercise that has no real risk. My wife would be dead without my healthcare, so if you think I'm being lovely for acting like an adult you can go gently caress yourself. What's your answer? quote:Maybe we're not "all leftists here", because your point of view is not shared by all, certainly not if you look at the voting record in the "leftist" areas you think are being excluded. You are arguing for the status quo, pretending like we'll achieve our goals by just holding out a little longer is bullshit. The greater Everett area is solid blue so you're making poo poo up there. You can't be bothered to quote me once "arguing for the status quo", so you're making poo poo up there as well. Let me know you want to discuss this in good faith.
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coyo7e posted:Attempting to stand on a hill and declaim all others as trying to score rhetorical points is pretty loving hypocritical, dude This isn't hypocritical, and do you mean 'decry'? Or maybe declare?
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coyo7e posted:Attempting to stand on a hill and declaim all others as trying to score rhetorical points is pretty loving hypocritical, dude Again, you won't actually respond to the points I'm making.
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Solkanar512 posted:No, dipshit. I'm recognizing that cutting police wages to federal minimums won't stop them from murdering people of color. Several people poo poo all over RuanGacho because he dared to claim that he was making things better. Quote it, I'm clearly not seeing what you're seeing. Solkanar512 posted:Putting words into my mouth and engaging in strawman fallacies is exactly the sort of circular firing squad I'm talking about here. Hah, right, you've really got a way with hyperbole. Solkanar512 posted:All she loving had to do is talk to one of us. But no, she couldn't bother to even do that before using us as props. She couldn't be bothered to meet members of the largest unions in the PNW. By the way, there are plenty of other alternatives but folks like you aren't willing to discuss them and just want to chase off those who do. Instead of whining about nobody listening to your great ideas maybe you could post the idea and we can talk about it? Solkanar512 posted:And how many times are you and others going to say "take the means of production" without telling us how? "Just rise up and take the means of production!" I already told you that the guards are armed, and that we can't just keep producing planes that the FAA will certify on our own. You think this is some trivial exercise that has no real risk. My wife would be dead without my healthcare, so if you think I'm being lovely for acting like an adult you can go gently caress yourself. You strike. But you're not going to do that because your employer has your nearly dead wife as leverage against you. When I say you're arguing for the status quo this is exactly what I'm talking about. You've created a situation where any disruption in your life is life or death, because of that you're unwilling to accept that the people you're railing against right now are the ones trying to help you. I understand you're afraid of losing your job and your health insurance, but slowly suffocating the working class isn't going to save you. Solkanar512 posted:The greater Everett area is solid blue so you're making poo poo up there. You can't be bothered to quote me once "arguing for the status quo", so you're making poo poo up there as well. Now you're really full of poo poo, Snohomish county is barely blue, look up the voting history and compare that to other counties that are actually "solid blue". Solkanar512 posted:Let me know you want to discuss this in good faith. You're the one making up poo poo about strawmen and firing squads, use your words and tell us what you think the solution is.
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Solkanar512 posted:Again, you won't actually respond to the points I'm making. You're getting exactly as much thought and effort in these responses, as you've put into analyzing your positions, and what they mean, in the first place. So I'm not sure what you're complaining about here.
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I appreciate your advocacy Solk, but don't stress over it. It occurs to me since it was mentioned in passing that many not be familiar with the concept of community policing https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_policing Its not a complete answer, but it's a piece of the solution in demilitarizing the police and ultimately disarming them. YMMV: quote:Common implementations of community-policing include:[10]
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coyo7e posted:If your go-to response is "grammar-check that bitch right quick, without checking to see if it's actually properly used," you probably ought to go back to lurking instead of posting Didn't you tell me to leave Oregon slightly earlier today? Peachfart fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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ElCondemn posted:You strike. You aren't trying to help me. All you've done is put words in my mouth and tell me to rise up or strike with no sense of how that's actually accomplished. You seem to care more about me believing in some ideology over actually accomplishing anything useful. Socialism sounds great, but I think it's reasonable to say that I'm not going to accomplish it on my own. I've done the union organizing thing before at a previous job and I sucked at it, so quit acting like I'm some stranger to this. My coworkers were mostly H-1B visa holders who were living in apartments owned by the employer, and he frequently fired people for arbitrary reasons. I understand what bargaining units are and how this poo poo works and the answers you demand are a bit too personal so just trust me when I say "I can't strike". And no, I'm not management. Also, the last time there was a union action, the vote failed by a margin of 3 to 1. But please, tell me more about how it's my fault that my wife got sick or how that means the by arguing against full revolution I'm instead arguing for the status quo. That's really helpful. quote:Now you're really full of poo poo, Snohomish county is barely blue, look up the voting history and compare that to other counties that are actually "solid blue". I'm sorry that every precinct can't be as blue as Capitol Hill, but we're loving trying to move the needle. making GBS threads all over my home because we're only "barely blue" (whatever the gently caress that means) isn't helpful. quote:You're the one making up poo poo about strawmen and firing squads, use your words and tell us what you think the solution is. I think the solution starts with folks actually listening to each other rather than trying to score cheap burns. I don't give a poo poo about feelings, I give a shot about finding solutions, and there aren't any solutions to be found in cheap one liners and logical fallacies.
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Solkanar512 posted:I think the solution starts with folks actually listening to each other rather than trying to score cheap burns. I don't give a poo poo about feelings, I give a shot about finding solutions, and there aren't any solutions to be found in cheap one liners and logical fallacies. They said, without a hint of irony or self-awareness.
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coyo7e posted:Seriously, just get the gently caress out of Oregon. We need less edgelords and exchange students with corgis, anyway how is it that the "edgelords" here are those not demanding a violent revolution against the u.s. democratic party (also use 'fewer' with countable nouns  )
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James Garfield posted:how is it that the "edgelords" here are those not demanding a violent revolution against the u.s. Fixed it
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coyo7e posted:If your go-to response is "grammar-check that bitch right quick, without checking to see if it's actually properly used," you probably ought to go back to lurking instead of posting Worst advice in this thread IMO Never stop posting. 
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Eggnogium posted:Is this thread always like this? No, we just get a little upset after a neo-nazi murders two people and a bunch of liberals are more concerned with "hearing both sides" This is after they murdered another dude in Maryland, and shot someone on UW campus.
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Solkanar512 posted:Yes, because if you don't express your thoughts and prayers in a way that DevNull approves of it's the same thing as wanting to give neo-nazis a seat at the table. Yeah, this is totally a legitimate thing to say. They aren't wrong though, is the thing.
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